Ukraine/Russia conflict NEWS thread - Updates on the Ukrainian crisis.

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Phantast2k said:
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Some just totally went gay for peace:

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Putin is totally sending these two to Siberian Gulag.
 
Gemüsepizza;131222897 said:
No. The source is a dpa report. The exact report does not seem to be publicly available, probably because they only sell those to newspapers etc.. The website which is reporting this (Spiegel Online) is usually reliable.
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Gotcha. I thought it was weird that the only external link was a Facebook post, but I see there is a dpa source at the bottom.
 
It's looking like Ukraine will need close to $50 billion in financing to stay afloat until the end of next year.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014...d-far-more-foreign-aid-to-rescue-its-economy/
Ukraine May Need Far More Foreign Aid to Rescue Its Economy

Ukraine needs three to four times more emergency cash than the International Monetary Fund currently forecasts.

That’s the view of Lubomir Mitov, chief Europe economist for the Institute of International Finance, a global banking group. “The economic situation has deteriorated sharply; it is close to disastrous,” said Mr. Mitov. “The IMF program has to be redone, has to be extended for three years at least.”

He estimates Ukraine faces a financing hole of $13 billion to $15 billion through next year even if a ceasefire between Kiev and Russia-backed separatists holds.

The IMF earlier this month said the country needs at least $3.5 billion more than originally planned to keep it afloat through the end of next year. That amount could rise to $19 billion if the civil war continues, the fund said. That’s on top of the $30 billion global bailout program the IMF is already spearheading.

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Gemüsepizza;131222897 said:
No. The source is a dpa report. The exact report does not seem to be publicly available, probably because they only sell those to newspapers etc.. The website which is reporting this (Spiegel Online) is usually reliable.
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And the direct source is still the minister's of defense FB account? Still stupid of him to claim that.

GTP_Daverytimes said:
Hey, why not. Putting is an evil maniac, sure people are gonna believe this. /s
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Because he is a fucking maniac, and likely a hands-on murderer (I'm speaking of his KGB past rather than him giving orders to poison his opponents & wreak havoc in Ukraine).

freddy said:
Not helping when they have to pay more for gas also. ^

http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...e-gas-as-weapon-in-ukraine-crisis-2014-9?IR=T
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It's funny how Russia unilaterally annulled the gas price contract (price rebate for extension port lease for their fleet) - convenient as fuck...


Meanwhile Lolorossians continue to post videos of their ceasefire breaking exploits while OSCE apparently claims that it still holds (this is Donetsk airport which Ukraine holds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2mVGQz6MNg

Putin warns Ukraine against implementing EU deal -letter
In a letter to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, seen by Reuters on Tuesday, Putin warned that even changing national legislation to prepare for the EU-Ukraine trade deal, known as the association agreement, would trigger an immediate response from Moscow....
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/23/us-ukraine-crisis-trade-idUSKCN0HI1T820140923

https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/status/514057624703496194
@StateOfUkraine
Russian fighter of "Donetsk Republic" shows off his "trophies" from downed #MH17 in #Ukraine.
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Yamauchi said:
Why would Russia continue to sell natural gas at a discount to a country that regards it as an enemy?
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Why would you continue to sell any natural gas at all to a country you regard as an enemy?

But Idk what you're talking about anyway, there are no Russian troops in Ukraine, it is a purely local uprising with no external support, comrade.
 
It seems this wasn't posted yet:

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/124216

23.9.2014
The ‘military police’ of ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’ (‘DPR’) told the SMM that three unmarked graves allegedly containing multiple bodies had been found; two of them were located in a coal mine Komunar near the village Nyzhnia Krynka (35km north-east of Donetsk) and one inside the village. The SMM proceeded to the scene and saw in the coal mine two areas located fifty metres apart, each containing two human bodies. All four corpses were in the process of decomposition. The SMM also saw eight 9mm Makarov pistol cartridges approximately five meters away from the bodies. Near the road on the edge of the village, the SMM observed a pile of earth resembling a grave which had a stick with a plaque, written in Russian and containing the names (or in one case – initials) of five individuals. The plaque indicated that the individuals died on 27.08.2014. On top of the plaque there was another inscription saying: ‘Died for Putin’s lies’. Neither in the coal mine nor in the village did the SMM see any forensic experts. COMMENT: The SMM cannot provide a forensic assessment of the sites.
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NSFW/NSFL! photos here:
http://kommersant.ru/doc/2574393
NSFW/NSFL!

it seems at least some of the bodies were "opened up" (unverified). Some reports say all 4 bodies from 2 of the 3 sites were males. Some others say 1 male, 3 females. At least one of the victims was obviously shot in the back of the head (see photos). Total of 9 bodies were found in a total of 3 "graves".
 
In Latvia, fresh fears of aggression as Kremlin warns about Russian minorities

A top Russian diplomat touched down in Latvia’s capital to warn of “unfortunate consequences” stemming from alleged discrimination against the ethnic Russian minority there. The capital city’s mayor paid an unusually timed visit to Moscow. And a Russian-speakers’ political party passed out fliers comparing a heavily Russian region of Latvia to the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia seized from Ukraine in March in the name of protecting its compatriots.
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Kinda old news, but they haven't been posted yet. I was planning on writing this last night, but the keyboard on my phone kept messing up and after three tries I gave up.

Ukrainian activists earlier toppled a statue of Lenin in the eastern city of Kharkiv - a move likely to be seen as a provocation by pro-Russians.

Nationalist protesters had gathered around the statue on Sunday night for a "Kharkiv is Ukraine" rally. The governor of Kharkiv region, Ihor Baluta, then signed an order to dismantle the statue.

The mayor of Kharkiv, Gennady Kernes, said on a local government website that the monument would be restored, calling its destruction unlawful.

Pro-Russian demonstrators defended the statue in February, as similar monuments were being taken down in other parts of the country in a wave of protests that accompanied the removal of President Viktor Yanukovych.
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From this article about an attack as backstory.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29415162
 
Ty4on said:
Kinda old news, but they haven't been posted yet. I was planning on writing this last night, but the keyboard on my phone kept messing up and after three tries I gave up.


From this article about an attack as backstory.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29415162
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They have been toppling Lenin statues all over Ukraine since the protests happened back in March. I remember a live map being linked in the last thread showing the statues they brought down. I couldn't find that live map, but here's one that was updated as of yesterday from the Ukrainian Wikipedia.

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http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ленінопад

Edit: Found the live map - http://iaryna.cartodb.com/viz/b42d0d78-9b3b-11e3-9701-0ed66c7bc7f3/public_map but it doesn't look like it's up to date...so much for "live"
 
Veritigo_X said:
They have been toppling Lenin statues all over Ukraine since the protests happened back in March. I remember a live map being linked in the last thread showing the statues they brought down. I couldn't find that live map, but here's one that was updated as of yesterday from the Ukrainian Wikipedia.
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I remember them being toppled, but I didn't know it was that widespread (and that there were that many statues in Ukraine). Apparently only three left.
 
Veritigo_X said:
The mass graves story seemed weird when it was first posted to begin with. If you're going to commit war crimes by executing civilians, why would you commemorate the grave site with a plaque stating the date and an inscription saying "Died for Putin's Lies"?
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Eh, the primary source for that is OSCE. Just because media used wrong photos, doesn't change the existance of those "graves".

btw. fascists do all sorts of weird shit. For example stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfe1bnNjwq4
they even put it up on youtube. The inscription isn't even weird, I think it's supposed to be a warning. In any case definitely not as weird as a child burning a Putin puppet.
 
jimi_dini said:
Eh, the primary source for that is OSCE. Just because media used wrong photos, doesn't change the existance of those "graves".

btw. fascists do all sorts of weird shit. For example stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfe1bnNjwq4
they even put it up on youtube. The inscription isn't even weird, I think it's supposed to be a warning. In any case definitely not as weird as a child burning a Putin puppet.
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Why are you calling these people fascist? What is you judgment based on? Is every Ukrainian fascist? Is everyone who hates Putin fascist?

FYI - the video is full of sarcasm. It's a bit weird, but you can't really translate sarcasm that wel.
 
jimi_dini said:
Eh, the primary source for that is OSCE. Just because media used wrong photos, doesn't change the existance of those "graves".

btw. fascists do all sorts of weird shit. For example stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfe1bnNjwq4
they even put it up on youtube. The inscription isn't even weird, I think it's supposed to be a warning. In any case definitely not as weird as a child burning a Putin puppet.
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I believe the source for that was a someone falsely stating to be part of OSCE, his name is Einars Graudins and he is a Prorussian activist. OSCE has stated that he has nothing whatsoever to do with OSCE. He is just spreading lies as per usual for Russian propaganda.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-unspun-osce-probe-murders-gang-rapes-mass-graves/26615896.html
 
jimi_dini said:
Eh, the primary source for that is OSCE. Just because media used wrong photos, doesn't change the existance of those "graves".

btw. fascists do all sorts of weird shit. For example stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfe1bnNjwq4
they even put it up on youtube. The inscription isn't even weird, I think it's supposed to be a warning. In any case definitely not as weird as a child burning a Putin puppet.
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It's pretty strange to have a plaque created for civilians that were illegally killed. Seems really heavy handed. Anyway, as pointed out by Eric the person making these mass grave claims has no affiliation with the OSCE:

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https://twitter.com/OSCE_SMM/status/517262694525972480
 
Engell said:
Vice news: The Donetsk People's Republic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woD44CsR4jg&list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ


Older footage but new, Funny how few people that actually are when the camera pans over the "crowd"(angry mob).
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This is even more depressing than I expected... I stopped watching Vice news a while ago, not because it's not good, but because it's way too depressing. Thought maybe older footage is better, but it really isn't. The irony of all of this is that I was in the Western Ukraine (or Fascist Ukraine as Russia would call it) recently and it's packed with tourists. Mostly people coming from eastern/central Ukriane... There's no sign of any conflict there. That's just surreal.
 
There are some people theorizing that the drop in price of oil is due to the US and Saudi Arabia acting in concert to put the squeeze on Russia and Iran. I don't think this is true at all, but it's a welcome side effect for them.

The price is dropping because the US is able to now produce more shale oil than before and it can make money off of lower prices at a higher volume. Saudi Arabia is not reducing output because if they do it will drive the price up...but that will only make more shale exploration profitable. So they are instead banking on being able to sell a bunch of oil at a lower profit margin but still survive, when the alternative is to sell less at a higher profit margin but encourage more American oil development and hurt themselves in the long run.

It's just a happy coincidence for the US and Saudi Arabia that Russia and Iran are being hurt by this (well, and Canada too, unfortunately).
 
Human rights watch confirmed that Ukrainian government forces used cluster bombs in populated areas in Donetsk city killing civilians:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions

EricTheCleric said:
are we there yet?

12 or 13 out of 14 for Russia

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The chairperson of Russian NGOV Soldiers Mothers has been arrested on charges of "fraud".

http://www.rferl.org/content/detention-bogatenkova-soldiers-mothers-russia-ukraine/26643664.html
https://m.facebook.com/soldiersmoth...41826.262188517227754/664698823643386/?type=1

how many more Russian boys will be killed by suicide, heart problem, accident while on excercise in not-Ukraine?
Numbers are now likely to increase.
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You are talking about fascism, man? Just look at the pictures of the Ukraine "Right Sector" legal political party in the google: http://goo.gl/OOHcLI
And I do not think that Google is controlled by Putin.
 
Outcome said:
Human rights watch confirmed that Ukrainian government forces used cluster bombs in populated areas in Donetsk city killing civilians:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions


You are talking about fascism, man? Just look at the pictures of the Ukraine "Right Sector" legal political party in the google: http://goo.gl/OOHcLI
And I do not think that Google is controlled by Putin.
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How many votes did they get in the presidential election again? Wasn't it like, less than 1%?

I know the idea of free elections where even extremists are allowed to run is scary for Russians, but you can't judge an entire country based on the policies of a fringe political group.
 
Glasshole, Engell
This is written in my profile that I'm from St.Petersburg, Russia. This is not near Moscow. It's between Finland and Estonia at the Russian border.

One more thought about controlled mass media. Here, in Russia there is no any restriction on TV or something. I've got CNN, BBC as well as Ukrainian channels on my cable. So, I'm free to choose my information source not saying about Internet. Yes, there's some restriction in the internet but mainly for narcotics, terrorism and anti-religion stuff all of which can be simply bypassed by installing proper web-browser. So, literally there's no any restriction regarding information source to chose.

But what is happening in Ukraine? All russian TVs are prohibited by Ukrainian Law. And when a TV channel shows something originated from Russia, that's what happens with the boss of this TV channel: http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/19/...and-forced-to-resign-by-far-right-svoboda-mps

RedShift said:
How many votes did they get in the presidential election again? Wasn't it like, less than 1%?

I know the idea of free elections where even extremists are allowed to run is scary for Russians, but you can't judge an entire country based on the policies of a fringe political group.
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If you didn't get it, we are talking about a military fascist organization that is not controlled by the government but which is officially entitled to be a political party. Just read this from wikipedia (not Russian one from English wikipedia):
Right Sector became one of the main actors in the January 2014 Hrushevskoho Street riots, a part of the Euromaidan protests, in their later and more violent stages.[6][31] On 19 January 2014 the organization encouraged its members to bring bottles to the protests in order to produce Molotov cocktails and bombs.[5] The Yanukovich government classified it as an extremist movement and threatened its members with imprisonment.[32]

Right Sector has been described as the most organized and most effective of the Euromaidan forces when it came to confronting police.[33] Right Sector claims that it was the main organizer of violent resistance against armed attacks by the state at Euromaidan.[23] Yarosh stated that the group had amassed a sizable arsenal of weapons;[2] these include include guns taken from police stations in Western Ukraine
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Does US or EU have such "political parties" with a sizable arsenal of weapons stolen from police stations?
 
Jackpot said:
Extremist parties in UK, France and many other countries get a bigger share of their national vote than Right Sector did.
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Are you talking about parties with extremist slogans or you are talking about parties with weapons stolen from police stations? (read the quotes from wikipedia above).
 
Outcome said:
Are you talking about parties with extremist slogans or you are talking about parties with weapons stolen from police stations? (read the quotes from wikipedia above).
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I'm talking about parties that thought there'd be a civil war between whites and blacks and started stockpiling weapons and ordering its members to train with them.

You might want to jettison the Russian media talking points. Also the mods are strict about this thread being for discussing news only after so many FUD derails.
 
Outcome said:
Does US or EU have such "political parties" with a sizable arsenal of weapons stolen from police stations?
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Sounds like you are describing the separatist?? or can you enlighten me if they stole their weapons or got them from Putin. Ofc normally you don't have anti air systems and tanks at a police station. but what do i know.
 
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