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[chopstik]

This is so goddamn insulting. Screw Ubi. Screw MS. Loving that Phil Spencer effect right about now. What a goddamn joke. Phil Spencer is the same goddamn asshole he was during the XB1 reveal.

didn't MS pay for the PS4 version of titles not to be shown on the floor of 2013 E3? or was that just a rumor?

 

[publicpwnerer]

Bullshit, fuck you, Ubi. Will be buying the PC version then.

Given the travesty of the Watch_dogs port...

Spoiler

AC:Unity will require 10GB's of VRAM to enjoy it to it's fullest

 

[Rockyrock]

that's actually really... dumb.

and remember when those initial screens were released and they promised that's how the game would look... yea, about that.

 

[Morts]

Considering how little current gen only software there is at this point they should've just waited another year before putting these boxes out and had slightly better guts inside.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

I think it's more the idea that they want to make sure they have all their console versions the same so that each version shouldn't be sold more than the other, even if that means lowering the quality of one over the other.

But the PS4 probably still looks better. Resolution is only a small part of the picture. People are freaking out because the numbers are the same on a console they don't plan to play the game on and we haven't even seen the DF tear down yet.

 

[hemo memo]

Wow, the amount of overreaction in here.

 

[JayEH]

 

[Raziel]

Don't really think it's MS' fault. They seem to be fine with 900p.

The blame should be put on Ubisoft.

That's why we made the decision to drop to 900. That's what we demoed and were showing around E3 time. And Microsoft was just like, 'This is unacceptable. You need to figure out a way to get a better resolution.'

 

[flkraven]

Maybe Phil Spencer should focus on getting his console some more exclusives instead of pressuring Ubi and others for parity? (I am not buying a console just for Sunset Overdrive, and Halo 5 multiplayer will have shorter legs than MCC if Halo 4 was any indication).

Oh wait....then he'd just pay to deny PS4 people multiplatform games like Tomb Raider. How gross do a company's business practices have to be before you can root for them to fail without being called a fanboy?

It seems to be the same pattern on Gaf lately...everyone slams Microsoft's practices, but if you say you want Xbox One to do poorly so Microsoft learns a lesson, you are a fanboy and will probably catch a ban.

Alright GAF! We are only 2 degrees Kelvin away from a complete meltdown.

 

[Xando]

My take on this

lmao

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

Unity is built only for next gen. Surely that's more demanding. Hell watch dogs was also 900p. It was never gonna be 60fps. Maybe PS4 doesn't get quite to 1080p so they optimized it for 900p. I really doubt this is a moneyhat like many are suggesting.

Honestly don't bother with rationality a lot of people thought the ps4 would only ever do 1080p. All the people that said anything that isn't 1080p isn't next gen. These systems will get pushed more and more and something will have to give. These consoles can't even do good af for Petes sake. The ps4 is more powerful so it will probably have smoother framerates or something

 

[Anion]

My take on this

Haha wow

 

[m@cross]

Hmmm imagine if they put in a female character model... probably be 720p/30fps

 

[Cyborg]

You guys are cracking me up. This thread is AMAZING.

Why would such an lame action that hurts a lot of gamers make you crack?

 

[Canis lupus]

@Ubisoft @assassinscreed @FarCrygame is what I did.

Send it to people in the media as well, Angry Joe and stuff. This shit needs to go viral.

 

[Loudninja]

Wow, the amount of overreaction in here.

How is it overreaction?

 

[alr1ght]

I think it's more the idea that they want to make sure they have all their console versions the same so that each version shouldn't be sold more than the other, even if that means lowering the quality of one over the other.

Why does Ubisoft care about that, though? They get the same percentage of each sale from either manufacturer. The manufacturer with the worse hardware, though...

 

[bananafactory]

If the framerate is shit at 900p then 1080p was out of the question.

They were CPU bound for the framerate due to the AI systems in place. They said outright that graphics didn't really come into play.

 

[jem0208]

Right? I feel like I am in the minority on GAF who is concerned about the actual gameplay. Not because a tree is missing, or that there are jaggies,or because the game is 900p, or because of PR.

Its because the actual gameplay looks rough. The stealth doesn't look good, especially since they have been saying they have improved it.

Game looks pretty, and number of NPCs are impressive. I am just worried about the gameplay.

It's not even this, I'm okay with people saying they won't buy the game because it won't look good enough at 900p (I don't agree with what their saying but whatever). It's the fact that they won't because of some PR reason.

 

[Mohonky]

Thread is amazing.

The digital foundry faceoff will be equally so if it really does run basically the same on both systems.

 

[Kerub]

Large majority of gamers? And you know this how?

I don't know how much you know about gaming culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. Ubisoft just shot themselves in the foot.

 

[shem935]

didn't MS pay for the PS4 version of titles not to be shown on the floor of 2013 E3? or was that just a rumor?

Rumor/also proven untrue.

 

[IcyBlueStrawberry]

Except you are assuming the Ps4 will have the graphical features turned up to 11 because of the bandwidth saved by moving down to 900p.

I have a funny feeling the Ps4 version will look no different either.

I'm not assuming either case. I agreed that it's possible for both games to end up looking the same, but that it seems less likely.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I really don't. None of us do.

Possibly the same reason Destiny had parity, but of course people will believe what they want to believe.

Stop clinging to the Destiny example.

 

[Norns]

Wow, the amount of overreaction in here.

"Parity" sets the crazies off.

 

[GeoramA]

Wow, the amount of overreaction in here.

They're gimping a version to achieve parity. What kind of reaction should people have???

 

[liquidtmd]

I seriously am not usually not one for saying 'fine, I wont buy then' but if this is the line they are using...Fuck 'em

November is stacked and this attitude stinks

 

[RayMaker]

It really isn't. People are buying a product that could be better but is being held back because of the other console with inferior hardware.
PS4's CPU is actually better according to Matt (a trusted insider/developer who visits this forum)

It must be down to API's then because they both contain 2 4core jaguars with the same 20gb memory bandwidth accessible to the CPU.

 

[Kinyou]

lol, that's the feeling I got in the Destiny thread. Here at least people can get mad over 900p (which they apparently would be okay with if the XB1 version was running at 720p)

 

[sora87]

I'm glad I decided not to pre-order this, now I doubt I'll play it at all. Screw you Ubisoft.

 

[hwy_61]

This is so goddamn insulting. Screw Ubi. Screw MS. Loving that Phil Spencer effect right about now. What a goddamn joke. Phil Spencer is the same goddamn asshole he was during the XB1 reveal.

Yes. Let us all personally insult Phil Spencer. Christ. Can we talk about this with SOME level of maturity?

 

[Cole Slaw]

Not perfectly okay, but they'll take it over "720p" anyday. Heck, at this point 900p vs. 1080p for AAA action games is what many people expect.





Large majority of gamers? And you know this how?


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Oh okay (heh).

Can we just ask how you know what MS is and isn't ok with? Are you a new insider?

 

[jonabbey]

IF ubi said this

''Our devs teams for both platforms managed to achieve 900p 30fps, we did aim for higher on both platforms but due to the massive scale of the crowds and Ai in AC:Unity we were bottle-necked by the CPU on both platforms''

They would have far less problems.

Yes, they would have. That's why Bish was expressing surprise that the PR guy didn't immediately leap across the table to throttle the producer. ;-)

 

[SykoTech]

Lol at those boxart shops.

After Smash and now this, I wouldn't mind if the concept of "parity" from the gaming industry.

 

[bananafactory]

It's not even this, I'm okay with people saying they won't buy the game because it won't look good enough at 900p (I don't agree with what their saying but whatever). It's the fact that they won't because of some PR reason.

You have a problem with people voting with their wallets because they don't agree with a company intentionally butchering the product they were going to pay money for?

Ok.

 

[womfalcs3]

I'm enraged that a game is being held back on the better console because the other console manufacturer decided television was more important than games. Ubisoft should be ashamed.

 

[Cyborg]

Send it to people in the media as well, Angry Joe and stuff. This shit needs to go viral.

Give me some twitter accounts Im on fcking fire. Burning with rage

 

[Blobbers]

This thread got me thinking about the future. Got me thinking hard.
How big of a shitstorm do you think would befall GAF if CDPR announced The Witcher 3 was running at the same resolution and framerate on both consoles (anything below 1080p)?

 

[KOHIPEET]

Nice. So now that the real 'nextgen' multiplats are coming, the PS4 version will be toned down to match the XBox One. Honestly many people argued this would happen and I always thought "oh come on, that's not going to happen". Welp.

Exactly! I just waved on and said "okay, that will never happen". Well. Fuck.

 

[THEaaron]

They seriously wanted to avoid debates and than they cap the graphics of the more powerful PS4 which most of the people bought.

What?

 

[Chris R]

Whelp, pre-ordered cancelled. At least this info leaked early enough for there to be a proper backlash against the devs and wasn't hidden away until after launch.

 

[stryke]

Honestly don't bother with rationality a lot of people thought the ps4 would only ever do 1080p. All the people that said anything that isn't 1080p isn't next gen. These systems will get pushed more and more and something will have to give. These consoles can't even do good af for Petes sake. The ps4 is more powerful so it will probably have smoother framerates or something

People would be more understanding if they actually said this was the best PS4 could do in terms of resolution, but they didn't.

 

[GooWop]

Honestly I was on the fence about getting this game, only would have got it on a Black Friday deal or something of the sort, now it's not even a thought. I will inform all my guys who own a PS4 though and let them make the decision with all the information.

Damn i hope this parity bs is not a trend for future AAA multiplats. Get the most out of all platforms for your project.

 

[chopstik]

Rumor/also proven untrue.

Ok, wasn't sure about that.

 

[Vizzeh]

They said they were CPU bound.

They are talking about 2 completely different scenarios, CPU bound + GPU related resolution. its a generic console comment thrown in to muddy the water on their decision to introduce parity Resolution as to not "Wanting a debate and stuff"

Their absolutely trolling the gaming community and trying to blind them with silence, ie calling us stupid.

 

[ILoveBish]

Wish I had a preorder to cancel.

 

[Xando]

So, this what happens when the preseason is over?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Oh dang son, gl with that avoiding controversy Ubi. Hahahaha (so happy I'm not into this series, especially since they run pretty bleh on PC).

 

[LakeEarth]

"We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff," senior producer Vincent Pontbriand told VideoGamer.com

How could he not immediately regret saying this, realizing that by doing so, he started the very thing they were trying to avoid?

Flawless logic.

 

[HTupolev]

It's not even this, I'm okay with people saying they won't buy the game because it won't look good enough at 900p (I don't agree with what their saying but whatever). It's the fact that they won't because of some PR reason.

It's not "a PR reason." Nor is it just about one game. It's to oppose this becoming a trend in the industry.