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Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One
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Your avatar is a great contribution man, don't sell yourself short!
The problem is, the past few years, Microsoft has been the only company doing these shady type deals. Sony largely had a transformation once they realized: "oh fuck the ps3 is a developer nightmare" and courted devs at the latter end of last gen. Saying everyone does it is fallacious and not really the point when we're talking about this specific situation and the suspicious behavior of Ubisoft in this case. Using strong words like sabotage won't change that, although they make a good case
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N° 2048
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You have the best username and avatar ever.
and holy shiz, I just read about this.
The Shogun
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That does not address the power gap at all. In any way.
Why would both versions end up at the same resolution and fps with the downgrade? Not even Watch Dogs is the same.
The Artisan
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lol, it's definitely getting there
edit: holy shit, fuck 25 pages, we're hitting close to 100 now
Not sure if Ubisoft PR is just incompetent or really good at stirring the pot to get people talking about their games.
When you think about this response, it's basically the perfect thing to say to get people riled up. The response of "we don't want to cause a debate" is vague enough to interpret any way you want. Does that mean the PS4 version is being toned down to match Xbox? Or does the game just not run well enough on either platform to comfortably do 1080p? Who knows.
When you think about this response, it's basically the perfect thing to say to get people riled up. The response of "we don't want to cause a debate" is vague enough to interpret any way you want. Does that mean the PS4 version is being toned down to match Xbox? Or does the game just not run well enough on either platform to comfortably do 1080p? Who knows.
QuantumZebra
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god that game looked good .... THAT was pushing a system to its limits
ginger ninja
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Sorry, here is the actual code:
http://www.joystiq.com/2014/10/06/the-crouch-that-changed-assassins-creed/
http://www.joystiq.com/2014/10/06/the-crouch-that-changed-assassins-creed/
So edgy.
BigSoftieFF
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While I'm sure it won't matter in the grand scheme of things I for one will not be purchasing this. Shame as I was really looking forward to it, might have to try out The new LOTR game.
Yup but its kinda nice to see it blows up in their faces.
QuantumZebra
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It's really not vague at all. If it didn't run well enough on either they would go "900p/30fps is the absolute best we could do on either platform" not "We locked at 900p/30fps to avoid any platform debates"
That's true and all but it was a launch game and you can chalk it up to pre-launch SDKs. It's been a year now. Devs know the hardware and its limitations. There are very few PS4 games coming out that are sub-1080p. It's really suspicious that AC:U took a resolution hit from Black Flag.
StarlordDial
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this is so ridiculous....why can't they do this last gen then and etc? purposely gimp the 360 versions so ps3 and 360 are the same?
why now that this parity bs shows up this gen and not do it all the time from past consoles? money really changes you holy freakin crap
also we can even dig deeper into the rabbit hole with the "they are targetting 1080p 60fps". they could probably run the ps4 version 40-50fps+ consistently at 1080p but the bone can't? or maybe 60fps at 900p for ps4 but the bone cannot so they basically said fuck it ...make them run 30fps for both and also at 900p
just dumb assumptions but anything can happen this gen now ....sadly
why now that this parity bs shows up this gen and not do it all the time from past consoles? money really changes you holy freakin crap
also we can even dig deeper into the rabbit hole with the "they are targetting 1080p 60fps". they could probably run the ps4 version 40-50fps+ consistently at 1080p but the bone can't? or maybe 60fps at 900p for ps4 but the bone cannot so they basically said fuck it ...make them run 30fps for both and also at 900p
just dumb assumptions but anything can happen this gen now ....sadly
theviolenthero
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You and everyone else can keep saying that BUT until you provide actual proof it's pure nonsense.
This is the same exact argument that was made about Wii U games being on par or near par with PS3/360 versions despite being a more powerful platform. Even the whole "lazy developer" notion has made a return.
Microsoft has basically been able to control the parity situation with 3rd parties and mulitplats/exclusives despite not being the market leader for the last 2 generations and having a weaker console than Sony.
I basically expect this to be due to Microsoft's influence specifically.
I basically expect this to be due to Microsoft's influence specifically.
Hey, at least you cared about Assassin's Creed in the first place.
Ahh, the lazy developer. My favorite.
BlackBuzzard
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corrosivefrost
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No, I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
MS FORCED BLIZZARD TO UP THE RESOLUTION OF DIABLO 3 ON XBONE TO 1080P AT THE COST OF A LOCKED 60 FPS.
MS didn't force Bilzzard to do ANYTHING to the PS4 version. That's irrelevant.
And yes, the PS4 version has a framerate dip when it autosaves or has to load a huge area, but for the other 99% of the time, it is LOCKED AT 60 FPS. Per the DF article I linked and quoted, Diablo 3 on Xbone is consistantly dipping below 60fps.
So let me spell it out for you again:
MS BELIEVES RESOLUTION IS IMPORTANT TO THE AVERAGE CONSUMER. IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT THEY WANT TO DISPEL THE IDEA THAT PS4 CAN DO 1080P WHEN THE XBONE CANNOT AND HAD BLIZZARD UNLOCK THE FRAMERATE TO ACHIEVE IT AT THE EXPENSE OF ALLOWING THE GAME TO CONSISTENTLY DIP BELOW 60FPS.
As expected, PR won't say anything else. "You have our statement."
The game looked nice, but it was 720p and actually missing things from the first game.
The biggest drop in quality was in the physics, all the wind simulation was removed.
Unless we get a leak of some internal documents or memos I'm not sure what kind of proof you're expecting. It's in neither Microsoft nor Ubisoft's best interest to admit anything. Honestly, if Ubisoft speaks about this anymore at all they're idiots.
Head.spawn
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No other scenario? Surely everyone in this thread should understand that there is more to graphics than those two numbers.
This thread is a massive overreaction and I really don't want to be part of this thread, but I will point out the insanely obvious and then go find another thread to read because nothing good can potentially come out of something so negative..
1. We know the frame rate and resolution.
That's it.
What about texture quality? AA quality? Lighting, physics, shadows, draw distance etcetc, we don't even know how well each platform holds its performance to know whether the frame rate is actually comparable. Destiny reached "parity" between two magical numbers, but still cans out better on PS4.
There is just too many other factors that don't seem to be discussed here. People are literally infatuated with 1080p/60fps and seen to have developed tunnel vision.
SyenceLabb
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lol @ how this is slowly becoming less about Ubisoft, and more about Microsoft.
I find it very dishonest for them to say "oh didnt you know? 900P was our target from the get go!!" and the fact Black Flag is 1080P on PS4. Ubi was shady during the launch of AC4 as well because they held back the patch for "review parity" as well with xbone.
I get a feeling most current gen devs dont hit a "ceiling" of 900P on PS4 and stay there. I believe everyone dev out there may have the game up and running at a lower resolution like 900P on PS4 and slowly keep trying their game with 1080P and if it runs like it should, they will keep it at 1080P. Like they know thats the norm on the system. A goal to try to achieve as its most likely possible at least on PS4. (those other 2 900P games on PS4 are exceptions - one was a rushed title, then the other EA parity on UFC)
For UBI to spin this as something they "aimed for" is just bad on their part. I dont believe it and glad the rest of our community doesnt.
I get a feeling most current gen devs dont hit a "ceiling" of 900P on PS4 and stay there. I believe everyone dev out there may have the game up and running at a lower resolution like 900P on PS4 and slowly keep trying their game with 1080P and if it runs like it should, they will keep it at 1080P. Like they know thats the norm on the system. A goal to try to achieve as its most likely possible at least on PS4. (those other 2 900P games on PS4 are exceptions - one was a rushed title, then the other EA parity on UFC)
For UBI to spin this as something they "aimed for" is just bad on their part. I dont believe it and glad the rest of our community doesnt.
perineumlick
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Ahh...the blissfully ignorant.
Thanks. Well at least you tried. Please inform your colleagues to try the same thing.
Hawk269
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That is the thing. We will never really know if the engine and what they have in the game can be done at 1080p/30fps. Perhaps, like another person posted, the PS4 version will have better textures, better AA etc. I know it is just easy to say MS money hatted the parity, but perhaps they had to drop for 900/30fps (locked) in order to do what they wanted and while the Xbox One is also at 900/30fps, it may be unlocked and feature lower res textures/less AA option etc.
We just don't know and will probably never know for sure. Until the game comes out and we get DF analysis we will then know. If both games have the same exact textures, same exact AA solution, same exact lighting, same exact frame rate etc, then we will know that Ubi Soft forced Parity.
There's a quote floating around this thread from one of the developers saying 1080p is the target. I'd bring that up. Editing it into the current Kotaku article should be fair game.
What do you mean? We're mad at both of them!
Omnipunctual Godot
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All of the speculation in this post is meaningless since the reason for the parity has already been stated publicly.
Audioboxer
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Doubt it, in a few days EA will probably do something stupid to take the blazing torches temporarily away from Ubisoft. That PR statement and hiding under the covers for a few days till things calm down will be the way it goes.
Come review time/preview code and release the torches will come back out.
Sure, but here we are still stuck with parity. Some reward.
funkystudent
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I am suprised no one else from Ubi have come out to massage this quote to sound less shitty. Say the ps4 version was always 900 but thanks to the SDK update and extra help from MS they could boost it to 900p as well. Some BS like that.
Quadraphonic
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This is impossible. If they have to scale down the PS4 to prevent backlash, the Xbox One would be even more of a travesty.
KefkaPalazzo
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Did Microsoft kick your puppy or something. Stop assuming stuff. You know what that leads to.
And "M$?", seriously?
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