Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One
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It warms my heart to see people saying they'll pick up SoM instead, even though I'm not passionate about the issue at hand. It deserves all those purchases. Those who think something notorious happened here would do well to adopt the "AssCreed is but a shadow of Mordor!" line (tried to think of something that would look appropriate on a picket sign). You have to give the people an alternative, and SoM is a brilliant one.
John Bender
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You aren't even on topic with that post.
And these "1080p / 720p = see no difference" posts are funny as hell, every time I see them.
It's become heated because Ubisoft has intentionally held a system back and most importantly, assumed that the gaming community are a bunch of low intelligence people who only see resolution numbers, hence the "to avoid debates" line. Ubisoft is quickly becoming what EA was last gen; pump out good games, but be disrespectful to your customers.
Opus Angelorum
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I have to say, that's a pretty shitty attitude from Ubisoft.
It's one thing to released a game with the same performance across the two platforms, but to actively admit they enforced parity to remove the 'argument' is incredible.
Glad to see it has backfired.
It's one thing to released a game with the same performance across the two platforms, but to actively admit they enforced parity to remove the 'argument' is incredible.
Glad to see it has backfired.
I'd actually say that was a fair assessment, add in irrational, hysterical and volatile and you've just summed up online gaming communities in 2014
John Bender
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???
Tell me more, plz
Thanks for justifying your purchase to us when no one asked. It was important to us.
Just like DRM, we're just not ready for parity.
SuicidalSteve
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Firmus_Anguis
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I'm curious... What would you deem "good enough proof"?
Ubisoft openly states they aimed for parity to avoid debates and then announces that both next-gen iterations of the game are going to be 900p.
Which "debates" are they referring to, do you think? Both AC4 and WD having a higher resolution on PS4? No... That couldn't be it, could it?
Obviously we don't know what advantages the PS4 will have over the X1 version - What we DO know is that they're equal when it comes to resolution. And we're reacting to it, because we naturally assume that the more powerful console should be able to push more pixels.
Unless they clarify those advantages (which they haven't), we'll keep reacting to what we know for certain.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Wtf does this even mean? http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_assassin_s_creed_unity_interview_d_alexandre_amancio-33182_en.html I see plenty of gameplay in this interview. Also this demo, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9bO-tPxKE To imply that Unity has no gameplay is complete nonsense.
Mengy
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NOW, the real question is how many GAF'ers will still buy this game even after this anti-consumer kind of bullshit? We vote with our wallets, and if anyone on the board ends up buying the game then you are supporting this type of bullshit, plain and simple. Which, is just fine if you don't care about it. But if you really hate this crap, then just don't buy the game and let Ubisoft's quarterly charts and graphs show them how this is bad for their business.
Good. It'll be 1080p in the end.. I hope.
That's why rendering engineers earn so much moneyThe guys ironing out every ms of the rendering with profiling are usually very gifted people who know their stuff.
I think devs have a good "feeling" of what is "expensive" and what is not.
They said it - it's AI that is extremely expensive in their engine. By now the common opinion is that resolution isn't impacted by the CPU but I didn't find any sources on this, just repititions of the statement. Btw, this would also apply to the Xbone version...
Thanks for reply.
I know people have said the architectures are similar for both consoles but I really feel like you have to adopt a totally different approach to come up with anything close to similar results as the ps4 (1080p perspective) when I say approach I'm talking about the system design element and even then the ps4 can and still will leave the xone in its wake. While what rendering engineers can probably do is no doubt impressive its still 32mb. Like I wonder how frustrating a job that must be taking parts of the engine code and re-write it to run the ESRAM... when you would have probably written thing entirely diffferently.
Another random question that I wonder if anyone could answer (I'm going slightly off topic). GPU you computing is all about the CPU you telling the GPU to manage heavy workloads of (non logic) orientied tasks or something along those lines (So I dont think from an effieciency purpose it would be good for AI) thats all read from the same unified memory pool in the Ps4. How does this work GPU compute work on the xbone? It sounds like friggin headache lol
Also the CPU has like literally almost nothing to do with resolution output (as far I'm aware). Try it now, run your task manager if your running a windows OS or something and switch resolution and see if there is any real difference in CPU usage.. (I know that might be a bad example due to various factors background programmes etc) but you can see my point, it literally has nothing to do with each other. If they had said FPS then ok, I can get that if your AI is heavy or wateva but resolution no.
Windom Earle
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I know how AssCreed plays. It is the epitomy of shallow check-box open world experiences and meaningless stories. Please don't bother me with it, Yves.
Impeccable
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It's too late for me.
They are saying that to buy time. Until release. When nothing will change.
Cackling. If I do get this game, it'll be used and the last time I bought a used game was when I was in high school.
eso76
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Obviously this is what happened.
Thread is still going and i keep repeating the same things, but it's obvious that they are not making an announcement to say they knocked down the PS4 version to match xbone's.
What they are proud to announce is they managed to bump the Xbone's res to match PS4's.
And that's it, really.
Edit: I just think this is a case of poor wording ("we deliberately chose to") that has started the debate, but then again i'm not even sure that's the guy's fault (he's French after all) or the translator's. But it just wouldn't make sense for a dev to make such claims
Of course since no matter what, PS4 is quite a bit more capable, resolution parity will result in either
a) differences of some other kind (textures res, AA, assets, shadows quality, AO quality, AF quality ETC ETC ETC)
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b) differences in performance.
Until the game is released and it's completely identical in every respect (at which point we can conclude the PS4 version was indeed artificially capped) this is what it's fair to assume happened.
Microsoft wants their games to run at the same res as PS4's, no matter the cost in terms of performance or fidelity. This thread does a great job explaining why: a lot of people will only read that number before the "p" forgetting that graphics are the combination of thousands of other technical aspects.
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GribbleGrunger
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Yes, this is what people should be doing. Not just spouting their intentions in on a forum. Maybe start a new Twitter movement where people post pics of their cancellations. That would send a clear and concise message to Ubisoft.
Thanks for the vague post...
While what you say makes sense to some degree... (I'm kinda playing devils advocate here)... but wouldnt having better, AA, high quality textures, more shaders etc, be even a bigger disparity than the parity that people are claiming Ubisoft is aiming for due the marketing deal with Microsoft.
I mean while people may not know the technical reasons why an image looks better than another, their not stupid either. Pre-Baked lightning vs Real time lightning, your average joe will not know the difference but beleive me he will see it.
O while I think this is a good debate, some people take this far to seriously lol.
OdysseusVA
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Highly doubt anything will come of it. May just be a play to keep people from canceling their pre-orders
they said they locked it at 900p to avoid discussion of the console versions being different... it's in the OP.
Masked_Ninja
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Well this is disappointing.
harrisk954
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Yeah, because Ubisoft has such a great record with PC versions of its games. /s
It's too late tbh...all PR-talk and empty promises now until release. Even if they do patch it on PS4, it'll be a few weeks/months after the game is out...a pity.
This might be the end of the line for me when it comes to AC-series unless the PC-port is a proper one..and even then I'm not sure I'll give them my money considering all the bs they've pulled with Watch Dogs for PC among other things.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Oh so you've played Unity then? Please inform us of your impressions. Because obviously it's was all just checking boxes right? Oh and the story must have been meaningless. Don't infer that the game "has no gameplay." Because that's just not true in anyway shape or form.
It is a headache like it was in almost every console generation
Look how PS3 multiplat games looked at the beginning of last gen. But engines will improve and will be designed with Xbone in mind.That's not that much of a problem. MS wants you to keep the current data you work on in esram and if you need other/new data the move engines will get the data from DDR3 for you. That's not *that* headachy if you got used to it, I think. But yes, it will be more complicated on Xbone. Still I have doubts we will see that much of GPGPU this gen...
Task Manager?! Hehehe... No, this is not a good point to start to infer any workload for a game
Riky
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That isn't the same thing at all. "Rolled Back" implies they had it running higher than 900p on PS4 and downgraded to 900p, nobody has any evidence that the PS4 version was ever over 900p.
harrisk954
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Nope.... you misread it...
"Last year's Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag also shipped at 900p/30fps on both PS4 and Xbox One. A post-release patch, however, bumped the PS4 version to 1080p. Ubisoft has given no indication that it has plans to do the same for Unity."
What if both versions end up 1080p/30?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Dude I already acknowledged that I misread that. Like way back in the thread. ._.
SuicidalSteve
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MrAndySchneider
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Yeah. And the PS3 was also made for 1080p Full HD Gaming on two screens at once! Remember that?
Dude, chill. You know what all this stuff isn't? Important.
VE3TRO
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Can't have that, one will need to be 1080p/30+ unlocked.
GlamFM
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To be fair this thread isn´t much of a "debate".
This thread is one of the jumping to conclusions/pre-order cancelled kind.
Then it will be fair to ask what we had to concede to reach that number. Dumber AI? Lower textures? Less NPCs on screen? Resolution doesn't tell all of the story unfortunately.
Stone Ocean
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