Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One

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Cuyejo

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I hate this peasant talk

“This is something that the new hardware allows us to do,”

New hardware? Consoles are as good as mid-range PC's now. They could have been doing the big crowds/"next-gen" stuff way before the current gen consoles came out.

Let's be honest, it's just another consoles gimping game development argument.

Nice. You'll surely will last long around here...
 

hittman

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My implication is most console games don't make it to PC to begin with. Be happy you get to play it at all.

Yes but your implication fell short inside a thread where the game in question is in fact coming to PC... And i'd say few, not most, games don't make it to PC. The reverse is more true.
 

Synless

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Yes but your implication fell short inside a thread where the game in question is in fact coming to PC... And i'd say few, not most, games don't make it to PC. The reverse is more true.
No, my point still stands. Your getting the game, be happy you even get to play it. Ubisoft never told you to spend some ridiculous amount of money to build the ultimate PC capable of so much, you did. If they want the ge to run 30fps then that's what it's gonna run. There is no technical reason for it to run any less on a PC, unless of course they really want it that way.

Your right though, things have changed on the PC front, games generally do come to PC now as opposed to not, I was wrong in saying otherwise. It doesn't matter though, most will be based on console versions because that's where they make their money.
 

hittman

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No, my point still stands. Your getting the game, be happy you even get to play it. Ubisoft never told you to spend some ridiculous amount of money to build the ultimate PC capable of so much, you did. If they want the ge to run 30fps then that's what it's gonna run. There is no technical reason for it to run any less on a PC, unless of course they really want it that way.

Your right though, things have changed on the PC front, games generally do come to PC now as opposed to not, I was wrong in saying otherwise. It doesn't matter though, most will be based on console versions because that's where they make their money.

True, console market is where the money is made. To make sure I never miss out, it's why I bought a PS4!

But the 'be happy you get to play it' mentality basically says to me you're happy to be shortchanged and told what to like. Black Flag was 1080/60fps on PC, and I can't think of any other reason than console gimping that it shouldn't be the same for Unity (unless this time round there's some link between animations and frames... which I doubt)

Hopefully some savvy modder will unlock the framerate to an acceptable level, and Ubi won't be cunts about it.
 

Toparaman

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Microsoft so had a hand in all this business. That is fucking underhanded to sabotage the PS4 version so that it's on equal footing with your own brand-associated version - just shady as hell.

Yes, Microsoft spent actual money on making sure the PS4 version would look no better than the Xbone version, for the 1% of AC fans that would actually buy a PS4 just for a slightly better looking AC.

INFOWARS. FOLLOW THE MONEY.
 
ACBlog said:
“We’ve spent four years building the best game we could imagine. Why would we ever do anything to hold it back?” Pontbriand goes on to say that he understands why someone might think that’s the case based on a recent interview

But, the parity......


...adding “I simply chose the wrong words when talking about the game’s resolution, and for that I’m sorry.”

Was he noted to be stuttering when he said those words. Hell no. He actually believed that the decision was so brilliant that no debates would take place. Just another idiot who is willingly obtuse.

Considering the sheer number of pixels that are being moved around at all times – which affects both the CPU and GPU – that’s a significant achievement, especially as Assassin’s Creed Unity will release when the new-gen consoles are barely more than a year old. (As with all hardware, it becomes easier to optimize with more experience and software/middleware solutions that only come with time.)

OH? So now it's also the GPU! Wow, this guy just keeps slipping all over the place. Tell me again how the tech penalizes the PS4 just as much as the X1?

As of now, Assassin’s Creed Unity is locked at 900p. But why “stop” there? “We know a lot of gamers consider 1080p with 60 frames per second to be the gold standard, especially on the new generation of consoles,” Pontbriand says.

Nice of them to set up this strawman. Secondly, this quote indicates that they're going to lower the resolution even further if need be.


“We realize we had also pushed for 1080p in some of our previous games, including AC4. But we made the right decision to focus our resources on delivering the best gameplay experience, and resolution is just one factor.

So why is it that this scenario had no parity issue?

There is a real cost to all those NPCs, to all the details in the city, to all the systems working together, and to the seamless co-op gameplay. We wanted to be absolutely uncompromising when it comes to the overall gameplay experience. Those additional pixels could only come at a cost to the gameplay.”

Does this mean the PC will also be locked at 900p/30fps? Because that's exactly what I got out of of this statement. Come on Ubisoft, keep going. I wanna see how deep the rabbit hole goes before the release date.
 

jonezer4

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Yes, Microsoft spent actual money on making sure the PS4 version would look no better than the Xbone version, for the 1% of AC fans that would actually buy a PS4 just for a slightly better looking AC.

INFOWARS. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

You're not thinking big picture here. The resolution debate between PS4 and Xbox One has been percolating since the consoles launched, with an underlying and potentially damaging theme for Microsoft: the PS4 is more powerful and delivers superior third party games.

If Microsoft did strike up a deal, or otherwise offer Ubisoft some incentive toward parity, it would have been in an effort to curb this trend going forward, and this likely wouldn't have been the only instance of it occurring.

They wouldn't be considering the minuscule number of gamers that have a PS4 and Xbox One today or that would be purchasing a PS4 solely for AC:U. They'd be making a concerted effort, of likely many, to abate a constant trend of appearing less powerful in order to persuade purchasers for the future and buck the current stigma against the Xbox One.

This is why it's vital for gamers to speak up now, hell, even if Microsoft legitimately had nothing to do with it, to ensure these companies understand that consumers won't tolerate even a whiff of such anti-consumer practice.
 

hittman

Banned
"And we would never do anything to intentionally diminish anything we’ve produced or developed."

Watch Dogs literally came out a few months ago. That short term memory loss.

I also read somewhere that the PS4/XBone versions of Far Cry 4 will look exactly like the PC. This only leads to one conclusion: PC version got gimped.
 

TheStruggler

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You're not thinking big picture here. The resolution debate between PS4 and Xbox One has been percolating since the consoles launched, with an underlying and potentially damaging theme for Microsoft: the PS4 is more powerful and delivers superior third party games.

If Microsoft did strike up a deal, or otherwise offer Ubisoft some incentive toward parity, it would have been in an effort to curb this trend going forward, and this likely wouldn't have been the only instance of it occurring.


They wouldn't be considering the minuscule number of gamers that have a PS4 and Xbox One today or that would be purchasing a PS4 solely for AC:U. They'd be making a concerted effort, of likely many, to abate a constant trend of appearing less powerful in order to persuade purchasers for the future and buck the current stigma against the Xbox One.

This is why it's vital for gamers to speak up now, hell, even if Microsoft legitimately had nothing to do with it, to ensure these companies understand that consumers won't tolerate even a whiff of such anti-consumer practice.

Thank you, much more eloquent than I.
 
You're not thinking big picture here. The resolution debate between PS4 and Xbox One has been percolating since the consoles launched, with an underlying and potentially damaging theme for Microsoft: the PS4 is more powerful and delivers superior third party games.

If Microsoft did strike up a deal, or otherwise offer Ubisoft some incentive toward parity, it would have been in an effort to curb this trend going forward, and this likely wouldn't have been the only instance of it occurring.

They wouldn't be considering the minuscule number of gamers that have a PS4 and Xbox One today or that would be purchasing a PS4 solely for AC:U. They'd be making a concerted effort, of likely many, to abate a constant trend of appearing less powerful in order to persuade purchasers for the future and buck the current stigma against the Xbox One.

This is why it's vital for gamers to speak up now, hell, even if Microsoft legitimately had nothing to do with it, to ensure these companies understand that consumers won't tolerate even a whiff of such anti-consumer practice.

Not only that but this is the first time I've seen the weaker console with less sales hold back the stronger console with much higher sales. It's one thing if it's a PS2 scenario where the weaker console has more customers but this is a very dangerous precedent.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
"And we would never do anything to intentionally diminish anything we’ve produced or developed."

Watch Dogs literally came out a few months ago. That short term memory loss.

I also read somewhere that the PS4/XBone versions of Far Cry 4 will look exactly like the PC. This only leads to one conclusion: PC version got gimped.
PC is the lead platform for FC4. And it will have options for higher resolution, framerate, and exclusive tech options for nvidia. So no, the PC version didn't get gimped.
 
For those interested, I planned on buying a PS4 for AC Unity. With this info, I'm no longer interested in the game but I plan on getting the system for the other games that are at parity with other PS4 games. I'd say I'd buy used but that's relying on others buying the game. Fuck off, Ubisoft.

edit: conspiracy talk... what if Ubi gets a bigger cut if the xbone version sells more...
 

Inuhanyou

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I hate this peasant talk

“This is something that the new hardware allows us to do,”

New hardware? Consoles are as good as mid-range PC's now. They could have been doing the big crowds/"next-gen" stuff way before the current gen consoles came out.

Let's be honest, it's just another consoles gimping game development argument.

Your gonna last long here. When PC gamers defend the master race talk they always say its a joke started by Yatzee. I'm thinking a few people didn't get the memo about the joke part.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
I hate this peasant talk

“This is something that the new hardware allows us to do,”

New hardware? Consoles are as good as mid-range PC's now. They could have been doing the big crowds/"next-gen" stuff way before the current gen consoles came out.

Let's be honest, it's just another consoles gimping game development argument.
Do you honestly believe major AAA gaming would be anywhere as big as it is today without the "gimped consoles" propping up the current model?
 

hittman

Banned
PC is the lead platform for FC4. And it will have options for higher resolution, framerate, and exclusive tech options for nvidia. So no, the PC version didn't get gimped.

I'm just going by what I read. I'm assuming that it will have an extensive options menu similar to FC3.
 

UrbanRats

Member
I think people that were seriously expecting this game to run at 1080p/60fps on any console, are delusional.
It'll be hard to have that even on much more powerful PCs.

I can see PS4 doing 1080p/30fps though.
 

zedge

Member
Yes, Microsoft spent actual money on making sure the PS4 version would look no better than the Xbone version, for the 1% of AC fans that would actually buy a PS4 just for a slightly better looking AC.

INFOWARS. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

:lol

Sometimes I just shake my head at the idiocy in this place.
 

th4tguy

Member
Is it true the PC version is locked at 30fps as well?

People have stated over and over how the gpu is what would hinder the resolution and not the cpu.

The only instance I could think of that counter this is if they are only able to update npc logic within time of 30 fps, while 60 (or around there) fps was too fast for the cpu to keep up with updating the npc logic ai. There was a similar issue with Dead Rising, which is why they locked it at 30 fps on PC.

Depending upon how much effort they put into the PC version, it could very well be locked at 30fps because of how they have coded the AI and it's dependency on cpu timing.
 

Cynn

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Not only that but this is the first time I've seen the weaker console with less sales hold back the stronger console with much higher sales. It's one thing if it's a PS2 scenario where the weaker console has more customers but this is a very dangerous precedent.
The company that owns the console selling best has the least money though. That makes things weird this gen.

Devs might make more money in theory on the bigger platform but they could also cash in on guaranteed money from special deals with the other.
 

RexNovis

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I have two monitors right next to each other. One is 1920 x 1080p LG IPS LED and the other one is an HP monitor at 1600 x 900.... They're in different size though 23" for the LG one and the 19" for the HP one. The smaller size of the HP one actually is better because of pixel density. Except I can tell the difference very easily. On the 900p monitor videos, and games look very soft and fuzzy compared to the 1080p monitor. There is a significant difference even at small screen sizes (23 inches vs 19). With that said, I hope Ubisoft can patch the game and boost resolution. I think the PS4 is very capable of achieving 1080p. But at the same time if it stays at 900p the frame-rate will be very solid... which makes me wonder if 60 fps could have been possible at 900p for the PS4.

You do realize that the image distortion from 900p on consoles comes from being upscaled from a non native resolution resulting in artificially duplicated pixels right? If you run 900p on a 1600x900 monitor it wouldn't be upscaled (because 900p = 1600x900) therefore it wouldn't look blurrier especially on a screen with higher pixel density. The problem is the scaling not the resolution. So... yea. You might want to rethink your whole "look very soft and fuzzy" bit or you know get your eyes checked.

Sure, if you're on a small screen eyeballing then yeah, it is noticeable. I game on a 50 inch screen and playing Black Flag and Destiny beta, I struggled to tell the differences. I'm sure they can squeeze more out of the PS4 version if they put the effort.

No actually lower pixel density makes non native upscaling even easier to see... Seriously do you guys just have no idea how resolution, displays and pixel density work? Perhaps you should refrain from formulating Internet comments about them until you can grasp how they work. Otherwise it's just ignorant FUD.
 

Maddrical

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Where were all the third-party 360 games crippled for 'parity' with PS3 last-gen?

This is what really confuses me. Why are they doing it this generation, but not last generation? Back when I was a PS3 gamer I was a bit jealous of the 360 having lots of games with better textures, lighting, resolution etc.
 

OsirisBlack

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Ubisoft could have reached 902p if Microsoft didn't spend so much money on Driveclub reviews.

While I do not agree with this I do find it interesting that everything that seems to be tied closely to the PS4 receives a ton of scrutiny and almost seems to get judged by what reviewers wished instead of what is. Destiny tied closely to the PS4 critically torn apart and still the number one game on my friends list also up to OT 7 I believe which is nuts.

Drive Club ... an absolutely amazing game breathtaking and fun as all hell. People are honestly criticizing this game for being a driving game and not open world? where was that criticism for other racing games?

It seems like TLOUR got a pass because everyone already knew the game was great so being negative about it would have been beyond suspect.

Not only that but this is the first time I've seen the weaker console with less sales hold back the stronger console with much higher sales. It's one thing if it's a PS2 scenario where the weaker console has more customers but this is a very dangerous precedent.

This is also what bothers me, unless money has been changing hands it makes no sense.
 

Riptwo

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I can't wait for the standard def Blu-Ray release of the Assassin's Creed movie.
Whoa there! The Assassin's Creed movie is being made from the ground up with high definition in mind, and that's why we're working hard to release the same 2GB iTunes encode across all high definition platforms, Blu-ray included!
 

Genio88

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Fortunately i'm gonna pick this and all the other multiplatform games for my gaming PC, avoiding all these debates and stuff, still can't wait for this game to come out.
 

bumpkin

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Some of the replies to the blog post are pretty comical. Gotta love how when it comes to games, people who don't know the first thing about development somehow know exactly what percentage of a given console's power is being used.
 
I hate this peasant talk

“This is something that the new hardware allows us to do,”

New hardware? Consoles are as good as mid-range PC's now. They could have been doing the big crowds/"next-gen" stuff way before the current gen consoles came out.

Let's be honest, it's just another consoles gimping game development argument.

Why in the world would they focus development around high end PCs? Do you know what fraction of the gaming community would be able to run that?
 

Biker19

Banned
Great job again at ignoring me, what's that, like the third time you told everyone? You make absolutely no sense, just the other day you quoted me and responded. How is this whole notion of I'm ignoring you working? Speaking of starting arguments, wasn't it you who came into a thread about console ports coming to the PC only to attack PC owners for being elitists and then telling everyone third party support is going to dry up? That didn't go over very well at all. In fact basically the whole Gaf community tore you apart and you retracted your statements several times only to confuse everyone with your intentions of being there even more so. Your whole objective was to be abrasive with PC gamers because in the end you felt threatened by the PC getting console games.

Why are you going off-topic anyways, to try and save face from being annihilated in that other thread? Let it go already.

Dude, everyone knows what you're up to & are not falling for your tricks here.

It's ironic that you say that I'm going off-topic when you're bringing up some random subject that has nothing to do with this thread. If someone haven't stated shit like, "PC gaming is better than console gaming," I wouldn't be posting it. It's not about "saving face" here.

Plus the only reason I keep responding to you, is because you keep responding to me.

I'm not sure how it could be interpreted any other way. Xbox third party games looking better or at parity with the PS4 has been a huge messaging challenge since the release of system specs. It has always mattered. That's why people like Penello came in here to prop their stuff up.

This is something that Microsoft cares about. This is something all console manufacturers care about.

Microsoft's going to have a much harder time in a year or two from now when future 3rd party games starts getting more demanding on the hardwares due to the fact that future 3rd party games will be running off of newer engines. The differences are definitely going to start showing.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
I hate this peasant talk

“This is something that the new hardware allows us to do,”

New hardware? Consoles are as good as mid-range PC's now. They could have been doing the big crowds/"next-gen" stuff way before the current gen consoles came out.

Let's be honest, it's just another consoles gimping game development argument.
Oh, I'll be coming back to this later.
 

nomis

Member

Have you seen the graphics in this game? 1080p60 was never feasible, on either console. It was part of the marketing cycle for them to say it was "the goal". Shit, they should have aimed higher... 4K120 would be nice.

I dislike Ubisoft more for putting that figure out there so far before launch without showing any 1080p OR 60fps footage from either console, than I do for Paritygate.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Have you seen the graphics in this game? 1080p60 was never feasible, on either console. It was part of the marketing cycle for them to say it was "the goal". Shit, they should have aimed higher... 4K120 would be nice.

I dislike Ubisoft more for putting that figure out there so far before launch without showing any 1080p OR 60fps footage from either console, than I do for Paritygate.
Actually the e3 demo went up to as high as 46 fps at some points. But it was running on pc with similar specs to xb1. So they probably were aiming for it at some point or had an unlocked framerate and then had to tone it down to keep the graphical fidelity and npcs.
 

Kinthalis

Banned
Have you seen the graphics in this game? 1080p60 was never feasible, on either console. It was part of the marketing cycle for them to say it was "the goal". Shit, they should have aimed higher... 4K120 would be nice.

I dislike Ubisoft more for putting that figure out there so far before launch without showing any 1080p OR 60fps footage from either console, than I do for Paritygate.

The only platform where you can expect 60+ fps from games like this now and in the future is PC with modern midrange or better hardware.
 
I hate this peasant talk

“This is something that the new hardware allows us to do,”

New hardware? Consoles are as good as mid-range PC's now. They could have been doing the big crowds/"next-gen" stuff way before the current gen consoles came out.

Let's be honest, it's just another consoles gimping game development argument.

And what sell 10 copies before the company files for bankruptcy?
 
Well, today's the 11th. The game is 30 days out. I imagine this topic will come up again pretty fierce once the launch happens.
I'm so waiting for Ubi to announce a patch for 1080p. I talked some of my friends today about of buying it because of this parity shit. We have to stand together as gamers so no one else thinks this is acceptable.
 
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