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[wildfire]

The same thing happened in the Trayvon Martin case. It's really obvious when you look at it. With Wilson, for some reason Mike Brown decides to reach into and SUV (not a car) and make an attempt to grab the officer's gun on his right hip while holstered (through the window). During this, he's also allegedly striking an armed officer in his vehicle and then decides to run away after he's shot. Then Wilson pursues and Mike Brown stops running away, decides to taunt the officer, and then charge an officer with a gun. It makes no sense.

Just like with Trayvon, Zimmernan kept escalating things. For some reason, Trayvon was close to his home and then decides to turn around and confront a person he was already trying to get away from. Then Zimmerman would have us believe the Trayvon threatened to kill him (for being followed) and then attempted to grab his gun.

It seems all too convenient that there's always some sort of escalation of violence when anyone with common sense can objectively look at things and say, "That doesn't make sense." Apparently, occam's razor doesn't exist.

Occam's razor was still in play. You just have to filter the logic through white privilege first.

 

[Dubbmobile]

all of the injuries zimmerman sustained + the police reports + lie detector tests/ voice stress tests + eye witnesses all corroborate zimmermans account of what went on that night.

zimmerman was not right for shooting an unarmed individual nor he did deserve to avoid any punishment for taking another person life.

trayvon commited a crime when he attacked zimmerman in the street, he attacked the wrong person who was carrying a gun does that justify him being killed no but he did set in motion a chain of events that led to his death.

both of them could have walked away, both of them could have de-escalated the situation but to say that zimmerman is the only one at fault here and that he got away with murder is a stretch, manslauhter maybe but murder.. no way, if you looked at the facts of the case without any bias you'd come to that conclusion too.



yeah who needs facts when we have feels, i feel that the officer was wrong, no need to look at the facts of the case lets just convict him right here on the spot.

what a well thought out response.

looks like we have an original OJ jury member right here guys

No disrespect but where was it factually proven that Trayvon started the confrontation? I thought no witnesses saw the initial start of the fight. Also how did Trayvon not de-esculate the situation by running away the first time?

 

[dgamer]

I would love to know how different people would have taken the treyvon case if in fact instead of trying to get away from the strange adult stalking him on the way home he confronted Zimmerman with a gun out of "fear for his life". Would it have still been okay to justify putting bullet holes in another person because treyvon was scared?

 

[Punchy4486]

all of the injuries zimmerman sustained + the police reports + lie detector tests/ voice stress tests + eye witnesses all corroborate zimmermans account of what went on that night.

zimmerman was not right for shooting an unarmed individual nor he did deserve to avoid any punishment for taking another person life.

trayvon commited a crime when he attacked zimmerman in the street, he attacked the wrong person who was carrying a gun does that justify him being killed no but he did set in motion a chain of events that led to his death.

both of them could have walked away, both of them could have de-escalated the situation but to say that zimmerman is the only one at fault here and that he got away with murder is a stretch, manslauhter maybe but murder.. no way, if you looked at the facts of the case without any bias you'd come to that conclusion too.



yeah who needs facts when we have feels, i feel that the officer was wrong, no need to look at the facts of the case lets just convict him right here on the spot.

what a well thought out response.

looks like we have an original OJ jury member right here guys

Exactly, the grown man with a deadly weapon pursuing the teenage boy in his neighborhood after calling the police against the direct instructions of a dispatcher had the right to defend himself.

The teenage boy walking home from a convenience store who attempted to evade the person following him while on the phone with a girl who was then confronted by said armed strange man in a car had no right to defend himself. He was black.

Open and shut case. Not an example of a severely broken and bigoted law that helped continue the view that America is an embarrassment of a first world country.

I would love to know how different people would have taken the treyvon case if in fact instead of trying to get away from the strange adult stalking him on the way home he confronted Zimmerman with a gun out of "fear for his life". Would it have still been okay to justify putting bullet holes in another person because treyvon was scared?

As we saw in the Walmart shooting, carrying a gun is a white privilege. Gun rights activists can freely go to Chipotle or Target with weapons strapped to their backs proudly and aggressively and a young black man can't pick up a toy gun in a Walmart and walk around casually on the phone without being killed with little to no warning.

 

[CountBlack]

Right on cue

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

How was Trayvon the one that set the chain of events in motion when Zimmerman was the one that pursued him in the first place? Against the advice of a 911 operator at that?

 

[Malyse]

How was Trayvon the one that set the chain of events in motion when Zimmerman was the one that pursued him in the first place? Against the advice of a 911 operator at that?

If it wasn't trayvon's fault, then why was he black? If he wanted to be innocent, he should have been white.

 

[commedieu]

grand jury is still out, yeah..?
see thread was bumped..

see someone claiming trayvon was jungle attacking zimmerman as well...

what the hell is happening..?

 

[BobLoblaw]

yeah who needs facts when we have feels, i feel that the officer was wrong, no need to look at the facts of the case lets just convict him right here on the spot.

what a well thought out response.

looks like we have an original OJ jury member right here guys

According to the officer's statement to friends, after the initial confrontation at the car, Mike Brown ran away and got some 25-30 feet away from his car. The officer then pursued and for some reason Mike Brown (bleeding from a bullet wound in his arm) decided to stop, turn around, and taunt the guy that just shot him. He then proceeds to charge the very same officer (none of the 7 witnesses claim to see this) who just shot him in the arm.

The other scenario based on witness statements is that there was a struggle at the car and Mike Brown after being shot ran away. The officer then gets out of his car and fires about 3 shots. Mike Brown stops and turns around with his hands up (after already being shot and now shot at). The officer then proceeds to shoot him where he stands (now that he's stationary) and kills him. This is what up to 7 eyewitnesses say.

Now you tell me, which is more likely to happen under real world circumstances?

 

[Malyse]

grand jury is still out, yeah..?
see thread was bumped..

see someone claiming trayvon was jungle attacking zimmerman as well...

what the hell is happening..?

I think reddit snuck in. Or someone is a sock puppet.

 

[bob_arctor]

grand jury is still out, yeah..?
see thread was bumped..

see someone claiming trayvon was jungle attacking zimmerman as well...

what the hell is happening..?

trayvon....did set in motion a chain of events that led to his death.

Captain Facts showed up.

 

[Volimar]

Geez, whenever no new info comes out for a few days, people in this thread go right back to attacking and accusing each other.

 

[uncredited male]

Right on queue

Please don't take this the wrong way but I have seen people in a business environment inadvertently do things like this that have come back to haunt them. You should use "cue" for this phrase.

Queue is a first-come first-serve kind of list/line and cue is a signal to start something. So right on cue would mean it is starting at the expected time.

 

[CountBlack]

Please don't take this the wrong way but I have seen people in a business environment inadvertently do things like this that have come back to haunt them. You should use "cue" for this phrase.

Queue is a first-come first-serve kind of list/line and cue is a signal to start something. So right on cue would mean it is starting at the expected time.

You are totally right about that lol

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

looks like we have an original OJ jury member right here guys

Saying things like this ain't helping you.

 

[Badgerst3]

Armchair quarterbacks, some with amazingly limited life experiences always amaze me.

Easy to be liberal do gooders from the comfort of your parents home. Generalization yes.

Atm I choose to give the benefit of the doubt to the officer. I highly doubt he will be indicted. Sadly I believe the Feds will then step in and charge him.

And sadly Ferguson will take years to heal.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Armchair quarterbacks, some with amazingly limited life experiences always amaze me.

Easy to be liberal do gooders from the comfort of your parents home. Generalization yes.

Atm I choose to give the benefit of the doubt to the officer. I highly doubt he will be indicted. Sadly I believe the Feds will then step in and charge him.

And sadly Ferguson will take years to heal.

That first sentence doesn't match the rest. You have it backwards.

Why give the benefit of the doubt to the only witness group with changing or non-matching stories? Near the start of this, the witnesses all had matching stories. What would possibly make you lean toward the cop?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

giving the benefit of the doubt to the side of the story that is consistently supported by every single eyewitness that has come forward in over two months=armchair liberalism

this is also apparently a situation where opinions can be split between liberal and conservative now, for some reason.

 

[richiek]

Armchair quarterbacks, some with amazingly limited life experiences always amaze me.

Easy to be liberal do gooders from the comfort of your parents home. Generalization yes.

Atm I choose to give the benefit of the doubt to the officer. I highly doubt he will be indicted. Sadly I believe the Feds will then step in and charge him.

And sadly Ferguson will take years to heal.

Actually, I find that those with limited life experience are on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

 

[Badgerst3]

That first sentence doesn't match the rest. You have it backwards.

Why give the benefit of the doubt to the only witness group with changing or non-matching stories? Near the start of this, the witnesses all had matching stories. What would possibly make you lean toward the cop?

The new release of evidence showing Michaels blood on the officers gun, uniform and in the police car. To some degree it backs up the officers statements of what occurred.

Believe me- I am not the knee jerk, angry, "my opinion only" type. I think it was a rapidly evolving violent confrontation that requires a reasonableness standard.

I would rather keep a semi-open mind with my own limited personal beliefs and experiences. Lotta gray here. Sad that a young man lost his life. Also sad that Ferguson will erupt in violence if the officer is not indicted.

 

[Coins]

That first sentence doesn't match the rest. You have it backwards.

Why give the benefit of the doubt to the only witness group with changing or non-matching stories? Near the start of this, the witnesses all had matching stories. What would possibly make you lean toward the cop?

I see people keep asking this. As someone from St. Louis, I don't believe any of the eye witnesses (white or black, for or against Wilson), I don't believe anything the Ferguson or St. Louis PD says, and I don't believe Mr. Wilson himself.

I don't think most people understand the level of racism that exists in St. Louis and the metro area. There is straight outward hatred from all ethnicities here. It's a sad place to live.

I'll believe whatever officially comes out from the FBI.

 

[CrimsonCommie]

The new release of evidence showing Michaels blood on the officers gun, uniform and in the police car. To some degree it backs up the officers statements of what occurred.

Believe me- I am not the knee jerk, angry, "my opinion only" type. I think it was a rapidly evolving violent confrontation that requires a reasonableness standard.

I would rather keep a semi-open mind with my own limited personal beliefs and experiences. Lotta gray here. Sad that a young man lost his life. Also sad that Ferguson will erupt in violence if the officer is not indicted.

It also backs up Brown's friend's account. After Brown fled Wilson no longer had a reasonable fear of danger no matter what happened at the vehicle. The main question in this case should be "Did Wilson shoot a surrendering Mike Brown?" If yes this is murder. And that is backed up by at least 7 eyewitnesses the only person that has said that didn't happen is Wilson.

 

[Coins]

It also backs up Brown's friend's account. After Brown fled Wilson no longer had a reasonable fear of danger no matter what happened at the vehicle. The main question in this case should be "Did Wilson shoot a surrendering Mike Brown?" If yes this is murder. And that is backed up by at least 7 eyewitnesses the only person that has said that didn't happen is Wilson.

Except that last part isn't true. The PD has reported that there are also numerous "eye witness" accounts that back up what Wilson stated.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Armchair quarterbacks, some with amazingly limited life experiences always amaze me.

Easy to be liberal do gooders from the comfort of your parents home. Generalization yes

It's the opposite, actually.

 

[Badgerst3]

It also backs up Brown's friend's account. After Brown fled Wilson no longer had a reasonable fear of danger no matter what happened at the vehicle. The main question in this case should be "Did Wilson shoot a surrendering Mike Brown?" If yes this is murder. And that is backed up by at least 7 eyewitnesses the only person that has said that didn't happen is Wilson.

I thought there was an account, backed by witnesses, that Brown charged a second time at the officer.

I could be wrong, but that explains the final head wound. Especially if the officer, having already been struck in the face, fears for his life.

 

[CrimsonCommie]

Except that last part isn't true. The PD has reported that there are also numerous "eye witness" accounts that back up what Wilson stated.

Yeah I'm still waiting to hear from all these other witnesses. Months later and not a single one has told their story. I'm also skeptical of anything the PD there says about this case.

I thought there was an account, backed by witnesses, that Brown charged a second time at the officer.

I could be wrong, but that explains the final head wound. Especially if the officer, having already been struck in the face, fears for his life.

The only one I remember is Wilson's friend. Was it a radio interview? I can't remember exactly how it was told just that somebody was telling Wilson's story but they weren't a witness.

 

[Coins]

Yeah I'm still waiting to hear from all these other witnesses. Months later and not a single one has told their story. I'm also skeptical of anything the PD there says about this case.




The only one I remember is Wilson's friend. Was it a radio interview? I can't remember exactly how it was told just that somebody was telling Wilson's story but they weren't a witness.

You aren't going to see the eye witnesses that back up Wilson putting their names out there.

 

[CrimsonCommie]

You aren't going to see the eye witnesses that back up Wilson putting their names out there.

They don't have to. The last witness that gave an account matching all other witnesses and also testified in front of a grand jury didn't give his name. If there were so many witnesses backing up Wilson's claims there would probably be an anonymous interview by now.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Believe me- I am not the knee jerk, angry, "my opinion only" type.

Except you started by saying everyone who was pro-Brown was a liberal who lived with their mothers.

 

[Nappuccino]

How did Brown's blood end up there if his body had no signs of scuffle?

Or am I mis-remembering the coroner's report?

 

[alstein]

Any truth to the folks in Ferguson flying upside-down flags.

Personally, I think given what has happened there, and the government persecuting the citizens, they have a right to fly it upside-down, and it's appropriate for their situation if they are doing it.

It's appropriate when the government is trampling on your constitutional rights and outright persecuting you. (and this is real persecution)

 

[TheJLC]

Any truth to the folks in Ferguson flying upside-down flags.

Personally, I think given what has happened there, and the government persecuting the citizens, they have a right to fly it upside-down, and it's appropriate for their situation if they are doing it.

It's appropriate when the government is trampling on your constitutional rights and outright persecuting you. (and this is real persecution)

Yup, but it's not a sign of disrespect compared to the flag burning that also supposedly happen. (Forgot where I read it and not sure if even true.)

An upside down American Flag is a signal of distress. It would not be inappropriate, in my opinion, to use it in this circumstance.

 

[Punchy4486]

How did Brown's blood end up there if his body had no signs of scuffle?

Or am I mis-remembering the coroner's report?

His hands didn't which suggests he didn't hit Wilson. I honestly don't know if being grabbed by the scruff of the neck like Dorian claimed would show up in an autopsy.

 

[Malyse]

His hands didn't which suggests he didn't hit Wilson. I honestly don't know if being grabbed by the scruff of the neck like Dorian claimed would show up in an autopsy.

And if that the type of thing that would fade after being left in the hot sun for four plus hours.

 

[Jmanunknown]

Armchair quarterbacks, some with amazingly limited life experiences always amaze me.

Easy to be liberal do gooders from the comfort of your parents home. Generalization yes.

Atm I choose to give the benefit of the doubt to the officer. I highly doubt he will be indicted. Sadly I believe the Feds will then step in and charge him.

And sadly Ferguson will take years to heal.

What the heck is wrong with you? First you accuse other people of being armchair quartebacks then you come into the topic with your limited knowledge on the subject and do what you accuse other people of doing you my good sir are the very definition of a hypocrite.

The new release of evidence showing Michaels blood on the officers gun, uniform and in the police car. To some degree it backs up the officers statements of what occurred.

It also backs up Dorian Johnson's story the one he told News reporters the day of the shooting.

"He just reached his arm out the window and grabbed my friend around his neck, and he was trying to choke my friend,” Mr. Johnson told reporters after the shooting.

“He was trying to get away, and the officer then reached out and grabbed his arm to pull him inside the car.”

Officer Wilson then drew his weapon, Mr. Johnson said, and threatened to shoot.

“In the same moment, the first shot went off,” he said. “We looked at him. He was shot. There was blood coming from him. And we took off running.”

Never, Mr. Johnson said, did Mr. Brown reach for the officer’s weapon."

Believe me- I am not the knee jerk, angry, "my opinion only" type. I think it was a rapidly evolving violent confrontation that requires a reasonableness standard.

I would rather keep a semi-open mind with my own limited personal beliefs and experiences. Lotta gray here. Sad that a young man lost his life. Also sad that Ferguson will erupt in violence if the officer is not indicted.

What makes you think Ferguson will erupt into violence? I mean hasn't the police in Ferguson abused the citizens enough.

I thought there was an account, backed by witnesses, that Brown charged a second time at the officer.

I could be wrong, but that explains the final head wound. Especially if the officer, having already been struck in the face, fears for his life.

That is the account Wilson gave to people and they gave to reporters so basically second or third hand info from the officer who's life as we know it hangs in the balance because he thought he was judge dredd for a day. Why are you giving the officer the benefit of doubt he is still alive he gets to hug his son at night? All Mike Brown's parents have left is memories and the lasting image of their son's .bullet riddle copse sitting in the street. I guess since Michael Brown was a "thug" someone people will always give the cops the benefit of the doubt.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Yup, but it's not a sign of disrespect compared to the flag burning that also supposedly happen. (Forgot where I read it and not sure if even true.)

An upside down American Flag is a signal of distress. It would not be inappropriate, in my opinion, to use it in this circumstance.

You're talking about disrespecting a flag while people's rights are being violated?

 

[Malyse]

You're talking about disrespecting a flag while people's rights are being violated?

Flag >> you.

 

[captive]

grand jury is still out, yeah..?
see thread was bumped..

see someone claiming trayvon was jungle attacking zimmerman as well...

what the hell is happening..?

people are sending out bat signals to the mods of why they should be perma'd.

giving the benefit of the doubt to the side of the story that is consistently supported by every single eyewitness that has come forward in over two months=armchair liberalism

this is also apparently a situation where opinions can be split between liberal and conservative now, for some reason.

where the hell have you been? Of course its been drawn as liberal vs conservative. Conservatives dont believe that racism is still prevalent or that the system can be inherently racist.


i read over the weekend that there is apparently micheal browns blood on Wilsons pistol. My first thought of course, was how easy it would have been to simply dip the gun in his blood as he laid on the street.

 

[Big Baybee]

Dorian's story is matching up really well here.....

 

[Mr. Patch]

We're really about to see someone have 6-7 witnesses say a person murdered someone and not catch a charge.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

people are sending out bat signals to the mods of why they should be perma'd.

where the hell have you been? Of course its been drawn as liberal vs conservative. Conservatives dont believe that racism is still prevalent or that the system can be inherently racist.


i read over the weekend that there is apparently micheal browns blood on Wilsons pistol. My first thought of course, was how easy it would have been to simply dip the gun in his blood as he laid on the street.

Well, right, but it wouldn't even need to be that nefarious. If Dorian's account is true, it's not impossible for Brown's blood to be on Wilson's pistol, uniform, the car, or anywhere else.

 

[Flo_Evans]

i read over the weekend that there is apparently micheal browns blood on Wilsons pistol. My first thought of course, was how easy it would have been to simply dip the gun in his blood as he laid on the street.

ok then...

do you really think a forensics expert could not differentiate between blood spatter and dipping a pistol in a pool of blood?

 

[Black Republican]

We're really about to see someone have 6-7 witnesses say a person murdered someone and not catch a charge.

that aggressive arm wave though *Hands Up* coulda been a gang sign

 

[danwarb]

ok then...

do you really think a forensics expert could not differentiate between blood spatter and dipping a pistol in a pool of blood?

Wilson fired the first shot through the window after he'd grabbed Brown. He may have hit him there.

 

[Malyse]

We're really about to see someone have 6-7 witnesses say a person murdered someone and not catch a charge.

Are you surprised?

 

[Sir Abacus]

ok then...

do you really think a forensics expert could not differentiate between blood spatter and dipping a pistol in a pool of blood?

Why not? Hell, Texas executed a man based on the world's shittiest arson "forensics".

 

[Con_Smith]

Catching up with the information I don't understand how anyone doesn't pickup on the fact that blood being on the pistol is possibly from the fact Brown was shot in the scuffle by the car. Looking at the statement from Dorian that seems to corroborate with the testimony provided and makes Wilsons version of the events even more suspect.

I mean, we are still waiting on all the facts here so maybe I'm just jumping the gun, so to speak.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Well..this place got retro. Trayvon still can't rest in peace..poor little fella/*thug..

Spoiler

*Edited for accuracy?

 

[Ultryx]

Is there a central place that has all the up-to-date information for this case?

 

[commedieu]

one day I want to click on these threads, and get a sigh of relief vs ongoing rage.