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[BumRush]

What ever happened to going out with friends (or alone), engaging in conversation with other individuals, and if there is a genuine mutual interest, pursuing it further? If social anxiety is an issue...dating sites, tinder, etc. Isn't meeting people easier today than it ever has been?

 

[Shanlei91]

Not that I've attended to any of those classes, but I remember when PUA sites and forums became in vogue and most of them were about gaining some self-confidence and teaching people to sell themselves with the right words and attitude, even if it came at the cost of "faking" your own character.

It seems to me that this new, fantastic crop of hyper-agressive douchelords have grown out of the necessity of being noticed in a sea of competitors. Either that or they are just trying to appeal to those resentful young men who keep complaining about nice guys finishing last and asshats bagging all the desirable girls.

I imagine the issue is that enough guys attended the classes and heard "be confident" and that they felt the preaching was too vague. "Be confident? What's that?! I was expecting secrets of the trade."

As result, someone saying "yo, choke a girl" must bring in more money. Because that's an exact action. It's a trade secret. "Oh? I have to choke people for them to makeout with me?! That's what I've been doing wrong, haven't been choking enough!"

 

[DoktorEvil]

What ever happened to going out with friends (or alone), engaging in conversation with other individuals, and if there is a genuine mutual interest, pursuing it further? If social anxiety is an issue...dating sites, tinder, etc. Isn't meeting people easier today than it ever has been?

It's not if everyone thinks the other sex has an alterior motive.

These things have made hooking up easier, not dating and certainly not relationships.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

what i learn from julien was the basic structure of pick up and afterwards getting massive mometum and immersed myself in it. i have never or rarely did cold approach. Talking to strangers scared the fuck out of me. On both the bootcamp i was able to pull but i was able to cum on a girls tits in alex bootcamp.

Julien the attractive asshole. ( when i mean attractive is not that he is good looking ) but he help me alot with attraction and hooking , brought te asshole side of me.. I can attract girls with the vibe of the 4 pillars . PIMP is a good product for new guys. help u step by step in the interaction. He is good at getting girls attention and keeping them. the girls get hook massive ATTRACTION . If u wanna be SUPER pick up man i would go for JUlIEN all the way. If you have masive social anxiety go for juien bootcamp he will break you and give u massive momentum .

But i just recently finish an alex bootcamp. for me its totally opposite of juliens game. . Alex natural method is being social , be safe and normal and have fun. Unless julien where you have to keep the girls attention. Alex is get the girls attention and if she wonders off its ok. As long as you get them ate front door.

Alright I'm going to stop reading right there because i can barely understand this fucking gibberish and what I can understand makes you look pathetic.

I mean the fact that you refer to these guys as "cool" kind of tells me everything. You will almost certainly end up alone because you'll be programmed to interact on such a shallow level that, at best, you'll just get hookups from desperate, most likely very drunk, chicks. Once you hit a certain age, that shit won't work.

"If I ever get a 'plateu'"? Motherfucker, WHAT are you even talking about? You mean if you run out of these bullshit mind-games and tricks? You don't PLATEAU when it comes to being social and interacting with girls unless your "game" is a bunch of lines you remembered and spit out like a fucking drone. It's obvious that's all you're capable of since you need a new bootcamp every time you run out of material.

You paid MONEY to have a dude "teach" you that if you approach girls all night and act like a fuckstick, you'll eventually find one desperate enough to sleep with you. Lmao.

She agrees to come in for water. I get her inside and pour her wine instead. She tells me pointedly that we are not having sex. I tell her, that's fine and to just relax and enjoy herself. So she drinks. An hour later, I have her in my bed bullshitting with her. She tells me again, we're not having sex. I say, ok. I start caressing her, talking bullshit, grabbing her ass and she's in full blown LMR mode. I keep plowing through it with a smile on face and ramping up the escalation.

Another hour of this bullshit. Finally, she's resisting hard and gets extremely firm with saying "Stop. I'm serious. We are not having sex. I'm going to leave if you don't stop." I feel like an asshole because she's too drunk to drive so I say. “Ok. I'll stop but really, don't drive. Just sleep it off.” She feels content with this and lies there. Then I say this to her.

"Here's the thing: this is MY bed. If you're going to stay, you can sleep in the guest room."

She’s upset and says, "ok" gets up and storms off to the other room. 2 mins later, I hear her grabbing her keys and she says, "I'm leaving." I reply, "Drive safe!"

Damn, you're not only a tool but a creeper and sound like you're a few clicks from a full blown rapist. And you exposed the fact that you obviously didn't give a shit whether the girl drove drunk and were just using that as a way to coerce her into staying. A real fuckface.

Basically your M.O. is: try to force a girl into sex and turn into a whiny little bitch who throws a tantrum when she rejects you. Can you remind me of your age again?

The fact that you mentioned a psycho ex-wife is no surprise. No normal, secure, mentally stable girl will eeeeever touch you. You will always end up with psycho girls because you can only attract confused, desperate chicks with your "i'm an asshole; fuck me or go sleep in the guest room" approach.

And don't bother with the "he's just mad because he doesn't get girls" shit. I've lived on 3 continents and on 3 coasts in the U.S. and picked up girls like a normal human being everywhere. You can check out my fiancee in the "Show off your significant other" thread if you need evidence of what I can get. I went to UF and did my share of smashing randoms too and even back then I would have told you you were a dickhead. Some of my friends, straight up Florida frat boys, were cunts and you make them look like gentlemen.

A sexual assault charge is in your future, no doubt about it.

 

[jasonng]

You just got freenude'd, bro.

 

[Alucrid]

the dangers of mac's posting

More quotidian: It sounds like the behavior of someone who is emotionally and physically abusive, and how they get their victim to second-guess themselves. Just look at how many of those suggestions involve undermining her confidence in herself. It's gaslighting.

Edit:



I was ninja'd

i don't know what quotidian is, i would make a bad profiler

 

[DoktorEvil]

You just got freenude'd, bro.

LOL it's funny yet sad that no one can tell if he's joking or not.

 

[supergiz]

The Japan one was pretty indicative of how most Japanese guys picked up in clubs during my 4 years in Japan.

 

[Mumei]

Not that I've attended to any of those classes, but I remember when PUA sites and forums became in vogue and most of them were about gaining some self-confidence and teaching people to sell themselves with the right words and attitude, even if it came at the cost of "faking" your own character.

It seems to me that this new, fantastic crop of hyper-agressive douchelords have grown out of the necessity of being noticed in a sea of competitors. Either that or they are just trying to appeal to those resentful young men who keep complaining about nice guys finishing last and asshats bagging all the desirable girls.

I made a topic awhile back about an article (now taken down) that touches on the connections between PUA and MRA, and where they diverge:

Elam’s site is one of dozens of blogs and message boards that constitute the “manosphere,” where participants rant, bond, and spew ideas so misogynist they make Silvio Berlusconi look like Gloria Steinem. There are three main constituencies. There are the Pick Up Artists (PUAs), who'll try to sleep with all the women they can, by any means necessary, and Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), who claim to have sworn off women altogether. Then there are the Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs), who are animated by many of the same misogynist beliefs as their manosphere brethren, but draw different conclusions about what men should do in relation to the scourge that is womankind.

David Futrelle, creator of Manboobz, a site that tracks (and mocks) the manosphere, cites the myth of female hypergamy as one of their motivating forces: “It’s the idea that all women are these fickle, opportunistic creatures who are constantly looking to glom onto some ‘high status’ guy, and exploit him for all he’s worth, and that they’ll immediately desert whoever they’re with as soon as they find someone better. The men’s rights people talk about this as a horrible injustice in the world, whereas the PUA’s are like, these evil women are looking for guys with status, so if we can figure out how to fake that successfully we’ll get to have sex with them.”

And if you read much of their advice, it centers around this idea that you have to establish your status, that by performing these aggressive behaviors position you'll position yourself as dominant, and thus desirable.

And then there's the more fringe kooky stuff that is just endlessly entertaining.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

You just got freenude'd, bro.

Well fuck me if I did. That's an elaborate troll if I ever saw one. If really a troll, I ain't even mad - that's impressive.

 

[Funky Papa]

I made a topic awhile back about an article (now taken down) that touches on the connections between PUA and MRA, and where they diverge:



And if you read much of their advice, it centers around this idea that you have to establish your status, that by performing these aggressive behaviors position you'll position yourself as dominant, and thus desirable.

And then there's the more fringe kooky stuff that is just endlessly entertaining.

I know I'm not particularly bright when it comes to relationships and human interaction, but I think I need a different kind of brain to comprehend that graphic.

 

[wildfire]

I love how that graph roughly resembles a uterus. *facepalms*

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

It doesn't matter if this represents everyone (and I'm tired of that excuse being used time and time again), there are enough of them out there, and they're so visible, that it's a problem.

I'm in agreement, but it really depends on the individual, the coach, and the paradigm of what they're teaching. I should say, even though I dabbled in it and use some of the more basic stuff (basically, just the confidence improving stuff which I didn't have any of 3-4 years ago), I'm not a part of "the community". I definitely don't condone a lot of the douchery that goes on and sadly, even with a great coach who doesn't emphasize pushiness or being hyperaggressive, there are still people who come off these classes with the same shitty mentality as Julien.

But, shit, I think guys are going to be douches regardless of any coaching you give them. True, it's worse when you give them the coaching because then they come out thinking they're owed something and they have the right to . It comes with the territory though, because if they want to help out those guys who legitimately struggle with social interactions (like I did), there's no way to effectively weed out the douches; plus, they get paid, so I'm not sure the negatives of potentially creating predators ways in too heavily for them.

Also, freenude lol 100% troll post, I love it. took it straight from RSD forum.

 

[Sean*O]

Guy is either for real and will grab the wrong girl and get beaten into a brain dead coma, or he's trying to get that Elliot Rodger dollar.

 

[sonikokaruto]

Having not been very social due to a psycho [ex]wife and back-to-back deployments... it was daunting to get back out there. I pushed throu--snip--.

if this is real it's way too much bullshit

 

[Risible]

You #ChokeOpener my daughter, I'll #ChokeFinisher you. Fucking cockbag.

 

[Strike]

Yeah, I saw the video a few nights ago. At first, I thought he was some shitty comedian. Pickup artistry is pretty skeezy in itself, but that video was just gross. It's good that social media is exposing people like these. This guy needs jail.

 

[BocoDragon]

I remember reading PUA material years ago. Then I put it down, ignored its advice, and went on to be pretty consistently successful with women through experience.

So what I'm trying to say is: the PUA material barely resembled what it was like to actually engage with women like human beings and have genuine human connections. It so barely worked as a roadmap that I would actually say it was counter-productive to the goal of being successful with women. It seemed like an empty doctrine that gave cocky guys the license to do what they do anyway, and it seemed like mental poison for those who are not already that type of "charge in guns blazing" personality type, dooming them to a mental model that would always be ill-fitting for their personality, and actually keeping them away from success with women. Their ancestors probably got laid by having genuine interactions with women and love grew... But now they're training themselves to see women as "marks". It's a false direction.

That's not to say that self-improvement is useless or that you don't need to learn about social dynamics (quite the opposite), but the keys to understanding it were not actually contained in PUA materials.

So i think the whole concept is flawed. And now we see that it has empowered basically a sociopath - practically a rapist. It's gross stuff.

 

[nicanica]

Having not been very social due to a psycho [ex]wife and back-to-back deployments... it was daunting to get back out there. I pushed through the fear and put myself out there. It was obvious now that I had been ignoring some really crucial points about game as a whole (inner and outer). I made the decision to do some research. I read Neil's book a long time ago, so my exposure to all of this was from there. I looked back into it online, found RSD and immersed myself in it since it felt like I had a working knowledge of the principles; it didn't feel so foreign to me.

So let me get to the point already. A few months ago, I met a Columbian chick on POF. I'd say she's between a 6 and 7 depending on if she's talking or not. We met for coffee and went on a few weak ass dates. I'll take responsibility for that since I'm a man about it. I knew I wanted to close her but, she was feisty as fuck. Always shit-testing me before I even knew what that was. I guess I fared well since she still wanted to chill. I picked her up at some point in October for a day date. She got on my nerves and I dropped her off before we even made it to brunch or whatever weak ass plan I had then. I decided that she wasn’t worth the effort.

Later that month, I'm in Phoenix on business for about 2 months. I meet this 8.5 Israeli babe in the Scottsdale mall. This day, I was definitely in state and number closed her in 3 mins. The rest of the week, my text and phone game was on point with her. She couldn't wait for the weekend. I meet with her and stay on point with everything: conversation, escalation, push-pull. I take her back to bar in the hotel lobby. I kiss close her there. Knowing a bit about the culture, I trust my instinct. It’s telling me to display intent but not pull her that night. It worked. She met me the next weekend and we fucked the entire time.

When I headed back to Raleigh, the Israeli chick transferred there just to keep seeing me. I decided to start seeing her exclusively since she was only going to be in the states for a few months more and I genuinely liked her. When she leaves back to Tel Aviv, I hit up the Columbian chick to chill since everyone else I had lined up flaked for one reason or another. When I met her, that annoying personality reminded me why I stopped talking to her. Here's where RSD principles really showed their worth.

From the very onset, I decided that I was going to push past all obstacles and fuck her that night; that was number one. Number two was logistics. I live in an upscale apartment complex that is in a shopping plaza with a Ruth's Chris, Bella Mia, a fucking expensive women's shoes boutique blah blah blah... The biggest advantage is all the parking space. Follow me...

I tell the Columbian chick to meet me at the Ruth's Chris so she can park her car and I'll drive us in downtown and she can save on paying for parking. She agrees. We go downtown and its packed. Lines to get in at every bar. Since we left late, I feel we're wasting valuable drinking time and offer to take it back closer to where she parked. She agrees. We hit a small pub nearby and have a few drinks. We start talking about all kinds of bullshit and she starts shit-testing me again. I hold my frame. Unapologetic. Tearing her bullshit down to the last strand. We close down the bar and I offer to take her back to her car.

As we pull in, I switch it up and offer her coffee. She's confused. Then I reveal that I live in these very apartments, coincidentally. She agrees to come in for water. I get her inside and pour her wine instead. She tells me pointedly that we are not having sex. I tell her, that's fine and to just relax and enjoy herself. So she drinks. An hour later, I have her in my bed bullshitting with her. She tells me again, we're not having sex. I say, ok. I start caressing her, talking bullshit, grabbing her ass and she's in full blown LMR mode. I keep plowing through it with a smile on face and ramping up the escalation.

Another hour of this bullshit. Finally, she's resisting hard and gets extremely firm with saying "Stop. I'm serious. We are not having sex. I'm going to leave if you don't stop." I feel like an asshole because she's too drunk to drive so I say. “Ok. I'll stop but really, don't drive. Just sleep it off.” She feels content with this and lies there. Then I say this to her.

"Here's the thing: this is MY bed. If you're going to stay, you can sleep in the guest room."

She’s upset and says, "ok" gets up and storms off to the other room. 2 mins later, I hear her grabbing her keys and she says, "I'm leaving." I reply, "Drive safe!" She waits a minute then comes into the room asking me if I'm mad at her. I tell her, "Of course I'm not mad at you! I'm disappointed in you. I know you want to fuck me but you're over there playing stupid. But fuck it, I'm over it. Just drive safe, ok?" Then she walks over to the bed and asks me to explain why I'm disappointed in her. I tell her this:

"Look, you're here. You're in my bed. You knew the deal the entire night and you're obviously attracted to me. So what is your problem?"

She comes up with some typical I'm-not-a-slut reasoning and I tell her that I know she isn't. She says she's old fashioned and wants to date a while blah blah blah. I say, "we need to find out if there is chemistry here first. Before all that other shit." she asks "How? By having sex?" and I say, "Yes."

She resists a bit more but I just tell her to shut up and start kissing her. Clothes starts flying off and I'm smashing before you know it. She bounces in the morning and there's no awkward bullshit.

You've convinced yourself at the start of the date that sex is what she wants. You compromised her judgement when she clearly told you several times she doesn't want to have sex.

I know what that sounds like to me.

But who cares right? You had scored a hottie that's a 6 or 7. I must be wrong.

edit: I got trolled.

 

[entremet]

Mac is the gift that keeps on giving it seems.

 

[Deleted member 20920]

You've convinced yourself at the start of the date that sex is what she wants. You compromised her judgement when she clearly told you several times she doesn't want to have sex.

I know what that sounds like to me.

But who cares right? You had scored a hottie that's a 6 or 7. I must be wrong.

He's just doing his usual thing. You're being freenudemacusers-ed.

Also, this guy is disgusting. I hope he gets banned from every venue and be investigated.

 

[Satch]

fall for mac's jokeposting, brehs

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

That's not to say that self-improvement is useless or that you don't need to learn about social dynamics (quite the opposite), but the keys to understanding it were not actually contained in PUA materials.

That's exactly the case and kind of what I'm trying to get across. PUA, and much of what people perceive, gets tied up in this "silver bullet" mentality when the focus should be on self-improvement and social dynamics. I think the Art of Charm guys, who I was mostly exposed to, get that, but they make up a pretty small part of this community.

 

[BocoDragon]

That's exactly the case and kind of what I'm trying to get across. PUA, and much of what people perceive, gets tied up in this "silver bullet" mentality when the focus should be on self-improvement and social dynamics. I think the Art of Charm guys, who I was mostly exposed to, get that, but they make up a pretty small part of this community.

Totally agree. I like those guys. I would definitely exclude them from the rest.

 

[Jackben]

I guess I just don't see the appeal of any of this to someone with even a basic level of reasoning even if you ignore empathy and morality. Even the more tame PUA techniques that posters are saying mostly promote self-improvement and self-confidence seem flawed. I feel like anything PUA, even if it does include some good advice, is ultimately viewing the other person as less than a person and more of an objective or goal. Sure you might even get laid a ton by following certain techniques and putting on roles, but how is an influx of meaningless sex going to improve your life? Wouldn't you want to encounter and create a genuine connection to another person? Do you really think you are going to develop healthy, lifelong relationships with a foundation based in this kind of garbage?

PUA appears to basically be about playing up to a perceived image of happiness based on outdated gender role models and the illusion that getting numbers and getting laid is going to solve all your problems.

 

[LouisaFerre]

Not limited to PUA, but I think any kind of person that just sees other people as tools or objects to get what they want is an asshole.

Also, I honestly don't get how sex is so important that you'd put all this effort into interacting with people you don't even respect or like(and you obviously don't if you're willing to actively manipulate them like this). I just don't see how that could be the least bit fulfilling if you have any depth whatsoever.

 

[Sai-kun]

fall for mac's jokeposting, brehs

every time

 

[Rur0ni]

I legitimately cannot believe what I'm seeing. Saying a lot.

 

[.GqueB.]

What ever happened to going out with friends (or alone), engaging in conversation with other individuals, and if there is a genuine mutual interest, pursuing it further? If social anxiety is an issue...dating sites, tinder, etc. Isn't meeting people easier today than it ever has been?

Nope. Nope nope nope.

 

[.GqueB.]

Well fuck me if I did. That's an elaborate troll if I ever saw one. If really a troll, I ain't even mad - that's impressive.

I almost got roped in as well but I googled the first post because it seemed suspect.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Nope. Nope nope nope.

Dating apps have made people more insecure and self centered more so than ever

 

[BumRush]

Nope. Nope nope nope.

Haha okay i'll take your word for it...but...um, why? (Granted this is Bumrush's anecdotal evidence, but...) I have many friends - attractive, unattractive, shy, outgoing, etc. - that have met amazing people on dating sites like match.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

PUAs seem like creeps.

 

[FO-totality]

His face reminds me looks-wise of VICE journalist Ryan Duffy.

 

[Hypereides]

The general PUA society has been quite dubious for a while now. It basically boils down to a organised following of sociopaths.

Teaching men to grow some confidence and be cheeky is one thing, using manipulation, emotional abuse, and immaterial types of extortion to get what you want is something else.

It has a pretty harmful effect on communicational exchange in society. Whats worse is that it promotes, and encourages a type of self defensive counter behavior which is no different from the former.

 

[Frankenstrat]

Holy shit, this might be the creepiest thing I've seen in a very long time. Dude needs a shrink or something, Jesus Christ.

 

[Pau]

Man, I'd really rather not have someone teaching men that it's okay to grab our necks on the street. Plus all the other stuff.

But if someone is already buying that kind of message, how do you convince 'em it's not okay? :/

 

[BocoDragon]

Man, I'd really rather not have someone teaching men that it's okay to grab our necks on the street. Plus all the other stuff.

But if someone is already buying that kind of message, how do you convince 'em it's not okay? :/

The rest of us men will say loudly and at every contact point "this is fucking sick and creepy. Get off that poison".

 

[i-Lo]

Dem alpha bad boyz.

Seriously however, how is this even legal? Shouldn't coaching harrassment, assault and battery be criminal offence?

 

[BocoDragon]

Nope. Nope nope nope.

Sorry but there's never been a better time to be a shy guy dating than now. If things aren't working out for you now, I fail to see how it would be easier for you before Internet dating.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Man, I'd really rather not have someone teaching men that it's okay to grab our necks on the street. Plus all the other stuff.

But if someone is already buying that kind of message, how do you convince 'em it's not okay? :/

Why aren't there women teaching classes like this?

The PUA Community would significantly benefit, and there's money to be made, for women who can help socially awkward men out.

 

[FourMyle]

Alright I'm going to stop reading right there because i can barely understand this fucking gibberish and what I can understand makes you look pathetic.

I mean the fact that you refer to these guys as "cool" kind of tells me everything. You will almost certainly end up alone because you'll be programmed to interact on such a shallow level that, at best, you'll just get hookups from desperate, most likely very drunk, chicks. Once you hit a certain age, that shit won't work.

"If I ever get a 'plateu'"? Motherfucker, WHAT are you even talking about? You mean if you run out of these bullshit mind-games and tricks? You don't PLATEAU when it comes to being social and interacting with girls unless your "game" is a bunch of lines you remembered and spit out like a fucking drone. It's obvious that's all you're capable of since you need a new bootcamp every time you run out of material.

You paid MONEY to have a dude "teach" you that if you approach girls all night and act like a fuckstick, you'll eventually find one desperate enough to sleep with you. Lmao.



Damn, you're not only a tool but a creeper and sound like you're a few clicks from a full blown rapist. And you exposed the fact that you obviously didn't give a shit whether the girl drove drunk and were just using that as a way to coerce her into staying. A real fuckface.

Basically your M.O. is: try to force a girl into sex and turn into a whiny little bitch who throws a tantrum when she rejects you. Can you remind me of your age again?

The fact that you mentioned a psycho ex-wife is no surprise. No normal, secure, mentally stable girl will eeeeever touch you. You will always end up with psycho girls because you can only attract confused, desperate chicks with your "i'm an asshole; fuck me or go sleep in the guest room" approach.

And don't bother with the "he's just mad because he doesn't get girls" shit. I've lived on 3 continents and on 3 coasts in the U.S. and picked up girls like a normal human being everywhere. You can check out my fiancee in the "Show off your significant other" thread if you need evidence of what I can get. I went to UF and did my share of smashing randoms too and even back then I would have told you you were a dickhead. Some of my friends, straight up Florida frat boys, were cunts and you make them look like gentlemen.

A sexual assault charge is in your future, no doubt about it.

damn, the roid rage is real

 

[vas_a_morir]

How is that pic proof of racism? What's he doing?

 

[Mumei]

I know I'm not particularly bright when it comes to relationships and human interaction, but I think I need a different kind of brain to comprehend that graphic.

It's even funnier if you read about it!

Owen points out that Sarkeesian apparently once worked for a guy named Bart Baggett, a huckster and self-proclaimed handwriting expert who also dabbles in Neurolinguistic Programing, or NLP, a questionable form of hypnosis based around the idea that you can hypnotize people, possibly against their will, in the course of normal conversation by embedding secret commands into the words you choose.

NLP , while largely discredited in scientific circles, has long been popular with pickup artists, who would of course love to be able to hypnotize women into doing their bidding. It was central to the ridiculous “speed seduction” techniques that a guy named Ross Jeffries began teaching in the 1990s.

Jeffries’ most mockable claim: that if a wannabe Casanova works the phrase “below me” into conversation with a Hot Babe, she will subconsciously hear the phrase as a command to “blow me” and will suddenly feel a desire to do just that.

While this particular bit of speed seduction lore has fallen by the wayside due to its sheer and obvious silliness, there’s a lot of NLP still embedded, as it were, in PUA techniques even today.

So what does this have to do with Anita Sarkeesian? Well, according to Owen, the devilish Ms. Sarkeesian is embedding secret hypnotic commands into her fundraising videos in an attempt to control our brains and empty our wallets.

Owen drags out a pdf he found by Baggett called “The Secrets to Creating Chemistry,” which Owen seems to think Sarkeesian is using as her super seekrit mind control manual.

One of Baggett’s techniques, Owen tells us ominously, is something called “Adverb/Adjective Presupposition,” which is basically a trick to supposedly get your listeners to agree with your premises by … using adverbs before verbs and adjectives before nouns. Devious indeed!

Owen quotes one of Baggett’s examples, evidently intended to show how you can successfully use Adverb/Adjective Presupposition to con a Hot Babe into bed with you:

Have you asked yourself if the unlimited potential of our relationship is what is making you so happy?​

Another one I found in Baggett’s manual:

Have you naturally discovered how attractive you are becoming?​

If even one single woman ever had sex with a guy who said either of these things to her first I will eat my cats. This is why people laugh at NLP.

Owen plays back a sentence from Sarkeesian’s Kickstarter video, which he thinks provide clear evidence that she’s using Baggett’s word voodoo in order to hypnotize us all. Be careful, lest you yourself become hypnotized just by reading this! Here’s Sarkeesian:

Have you ever noticed that, with a few notable exceptions, basically all female characters in video games fall into a small handful of clichés and stereotypes?​

Huh. That’s actually tru ….. OH NO I HAVE BEEN HYPNOTIZED!

Owen devotes the rest of his video to uncovering more alleged evidence of Sarkeesian’s alleged use of Baggett’s alleged techniques, winding up with what he describes as “perhaps Anita’s most subtle and insidious use of these techniques” – that is, her alleged use of “embedded language.”

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Haha PUA.

I mean, the tactics work on insecure people if you're just trying to get laid. That's about all I can say for it.

It has nothing to do with confidence and self-respect, or respect for others. That's just a smokescreen, similar to what ethics in gaming journalism is.

Just call it what it is -- attempts to get yo dick wet.

YAAAAAAAASSSSS BACKSLASH!!! You straight killing these threads girl.

 

[.GqueB.]

Haha okay i'll take your word for it...but...um, why? (Granted this is Bumrush's anecdotal evidence, but...) I have many friends - attractive, unattractive, shy, outgoing, etc. - that have met amazing people on dating sites like match.

Honestly, it depends on where you live. Not sure where you are but ask anyone in NYC (especially women) and they'll start with "ugh...".

I've been dating around for a while (I'm not a relationship guy) and I've come to realize that dating is so hard these days because dating is so easy. Just about every experience is disposable. I can go to the bathroom and set up another day while on a date. Everything just seems like a pitstop to the next thing. It's quite strange.

I also feel like online dating has inflated everyones self-worth to the point where they ignore the possibility of someone being decent for them because of some silly reason. I once heard a co-worker say "he was really nice but his nose was shaped weird" which was baffling to me. I also understood it. I think you're right. It IS very easy to meet people these days. It's almost too easy.

So my "nope", I guess, wasn't really in response to that particular point about meeting people but meeting someone worthwhile. I've actually stopped dating recently because it all felt kind of pointless.

 

[Funky Papa]

It's even funnier if you read about it!

Jeffries’ most mockable claim: that if a wannabe Casanova works the phrase “below me” into conversation with a Hot Babe, she will subconsciously hear the phrase as a command to “blow me” and will suddenly feel a desire to do just that.

What am I doing with my life.

 

[Gherid__lacksGPS]

Speaking of power, intimidation and control....I wouldn't mind working on my high-angle, double legs with this guy.

 

[Alucrid]

What am I doing with my life.

I feel like blowing someone for some reason

 

[devilhawk]

Edit: weird double post in edit