Doctor Doom is an anti-social computer programmer in the upcoming Fantastic Four film

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This movie is going to be so good
 
The movie might be awesome anyway, but everything coming out about it makes it sound like the studio/talent involved in creating it is/are ashamed of making a comic book movie.
 
There's actually some "talent" involved in this movie, there's just no one interested in making a proper adaptation of the characters. Fucking hell.
 
Can Crusher said:
The movie might be awesome anyway, but everything coming out about it makes it sound like the studio/talent involved in creating it is/are ashamed of making a comic book movie.
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Ashamed to make a Fantastic Four movie. This is the real problem. Change is fine when done correctly, but you have to at least have an interest in maintaining the tone and core of the source material.

This is trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. Embrace the square peg or GTFO.
 
Sub_Level said:
I think this may be a troll more than incompetence.
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I'm wondering if that's the case too. This seems too silly and too far from the source material to be serious.

BobLoblaw said:
So tell me again, who didn't see this coming?
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I don't think anyone anticipated one of Marvel comics' greatest villains would be reduced to a blogger whose online name is 'Doom'.

Gintamen said:
What's the problem with a black person playing Johny Storm?
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Although I've only seem him in Chronicle I think he's a fine actor, although give Sue Storm is a white woman I'm curious as to whether they're still meant to be siblings in any capacity.
 
Gintamen said:
Who thought this up and had the illusion that it won't disturb every single fan of the franchise or that character?


What's the problem with a black person playing Johny Storm?
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As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

1) They could have made Sue and Johnny black, raising fewer questions about their parentage and dramatically changing the team's makeup. Would have been interesting to see a young black actress in a superhero film as well, since there are none unless you count the stripper girl from First class.
2) They could have made Mr. Fantastic black, which have had the double expectation-breaking effect of a black man being the smartest man in the world AND the main protagonist in a relationship with a white woman, which rarely happens in Hollywood. You could even play up Doom's jealousy of him to be racially motivated.
3) They could have made Ben Grimm black, which would have played up the alienation/racial identity pathos of his character as he has to adapt to being further marginalized in society.

All of those would have been more interesting than simply saying, oh, he's adopted or just hand-waving it. If you're not going to do anything interesting with him being black, you may as well have just left him white, otherwise it just reeks of tokenism. As it stands, we have the girl from House of Cards and the guy from The Wire playing siblings for a low budget production that seems like they were simply the best that Fox could do on short notice.
 
Jesus fucking christ. One of, if not the greatest comic book villain of all time, is being reduced to this drivel. Anti social is the polar opposite to Doom. Why are they doing this?
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

1) They could have made Sue and Johnny black, raising fewer questions about their parentage and dramatically changing the team's makeup. Would have been interesting to see a young black actress in a superhero film as well, since there are none unless you count the stripper girl from First class.
2) They could have made Mr. Fantastic black, which have had the double expectation-breaking effect of a black man being the smartest man in the world AND the main protagonist in a relationship with a white woman, which rarely happens in Hollywood. You could even play up Doom's jealousy of him to be racially motivated.
3) They could have made Ben Grimm black, which would have played up the alienation/racial identity pathos of his character as he has to adapt to being further marginalized in society.

All of those would have been more interesting than simply saying, oh, he's adopted or just hand-waving it. If you're not going to do anything interesting with him being black, you may as well have just left him white, otherwise it just reeks of tokenism. As it stands, we have the girl from House of Cards and the guy from The Wire playing siblings for a low budget production that seems like they were simply the best that Fox could do on short notice.
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So much truth how do I hold it all?
 
RangerX said:
Jesus fucking christ. One of, if not the greatest comic book villain of all time, is being reduced to this drivel. Anti social is the polar opposite to Doom. Why are they doing this?
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Well, not a villain, but I could cry every day about what they did to Bonds "Q" in Skyfall.

I hate that shitty "computer nerd"-cliche they have going on in Hollywood.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

1) They could have made Sue and Johnny black, raising fewer questions about their parentage and dramatically changing the team's makeup. Would have been interesting to see a young black actress in a superhero film as well, since there are none unless you count the stripper girl from First class.
2) They could have made Mr. Fantastic black, which have had the double expectation-breaking effect of a black man being the smartest man in the world AND the main protagonist in a relationship with a white woman, which rarely happens in Hollywood. You could even play up Doom's jealousy of him to be racially motivated.
3) They could have made Ben Grimm black, which would have played up the alienation/racial identity pathos of his character as he has to adapt to being further marginalized in society.

All of those would have been more interesting than simply saying, oh, he's adopted or just hand-waving it. If you're not going to do anything interesting with him being black, you may as well have just left him white, otherwise it just reeks of tokenism. As it stands, we have the girl from House of Cards and the guy from The Wire playing siblings for a low budget production that seems like they were simply the best that Fox could do on short notice.
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this post is a good post
 
My running theory: they saw Big Hero 6 beat Interstellar in theaters, saw how different Big Hero 6 was from its source material and decided to run with it. The solution is not following the source material!

And POOF it's suddenly 2005 again.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

1) They could have made Sue and Johnny black, raising fewer questions about their parentage and dramatically changing the team's makeup. Would have been interesting to see a young black actress in a superhero film as well, since there are none unless you count the stripper girl from First class.
2) They could have made Mr. Fantastic black, which have had the double expectation-breaking effect of a black man being the smartest man in the world AND the main protagonist in a relationship with a white woman, which rarely happens in Hollywood. You could even play up Doom's jealousy of him to be racially motivated.
3) They could have made Ben Grimm black, which would have played up the alienation/racial identity pathos of his character as he has to adapt to being further marginalized in society.

All of those would have been more interesting than simply saying, oh, he's adopted or just hand-waving it. If you're not going to do anything interesting with him being black, you may as well have just left him white, otherwise it just reeks of tokenism. As it stands, we have the girl from House of Cards and the guy from The Wire playing siblings for a low budget production that seems like they were simply the best that Fox could do on short notice.
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So much sense in this post.
 
Can't Marvel like sue them for misrepresenting their intellectual property?

Feels like they should be able too. Fox is shitting on the FF from up high.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

1) They could have made Sue and Johnny black, raising fewer questions about their parentage and dramatically changing the team's makeup. Would have been interesting to see a young black actress in a superhero film as well, since there are none unless you count the stripper girl from First class.
2) They could have made Mr. Fantastic black, which have had the double expectation-breaking effect of a black man being the smartest man in the world AND the main protagonist in a relationship with a white woman, which rarely happens in Hollywood. You could even play up Doom's jealousy of him to be racially motivated.
3) They could have made Ben Grimm black, which would have played up the alienation/racial identity pathos of his character as he has to adapt to being further marginalized in society.

All of those would have been more interesting than simply saying, oh, he's adopted or just hand-waving it. If you're not going to do anything interesting with him being black, you may as well have just left him white, otherwise it just reeks of tokenism. As it stands, we have the girl from House of Cards and the guy from The Wire playing siblings for a low budget production that seems like they were simply the best that Fox could do on short notice.
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Excellent post. I think making Mr. Fantastic black would have been the most interesting idea, both for the reasons you've stated and that having the leader of a superhero team be a black man would be a good step forward for equality in Hollywood.
 
Coriolanus said:
Well, this is fox. Can't wait for Chris Rock as Mr. Fantastic.
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Yet the same studio has made, what, 4 good to great Xmen movies? They're showing some DC level incompetence with how they deal with Fantastic Four and should stop wasting everyone's time and let it go, like they did with daredevil.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

1) They could have made Sue and Johnny black, raising fewer questions about their parentage and dramatically changing the team's makeup. Would have been interesting to see a young black actress in a superhero film as well, since there are none unless you count the stripper girl from First class.
2) They could have made Mr. Fantastic black, which have had the double expectation-breaking effect of a black man being the smartest man in the world AND the main protagonist in a relationship with a white woman, which rarely happens in Hollywood. You could even play up Doom's jealousy of him to be racially motivated.
3) They could have made Ben Grimm black, which would have played up the alienation/racial identity pathos of his character as he has to adapt to being further marginalized in society.
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Damn, all of those are brilliant. Now I'm just even more bummed out at how bad this movie will be compared to what other routes could've been taken.
 
aly said:
People may disagree, but I actually agree with you. Mostly cause I felt they should've went all the way and made Sue black as well.
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

1) They could have made Sue and Johnny black, raising fewer questions about their parentage and dramatically changing the team's makeup. Would have been interesting to see a young black actress in a superhero film as well, since there are none unless you count the stripper girl from First class.
2) They could have made Mr. Fantastic black, which have had the double expectation-breaking effect of a black man being the smartest man in the world AND the main protagonist in a relationship with a white woman, which rarely happens in Hollywood. You could even play up Doom's jealousy of him to be racially motivated.
3) They could have made Ben Grimm black, which would have played up the alienation/racial identity pathos of his character as he has to adapt to being further marginalized in society.

All of those would have been more interesting than simply saying, oh, he's adopted or just hand-waving it. If you're not going to do anything interesting with him being black, you may as well have just left him white, otherwise it just reeks of tokenism. As it stands, we have the girl from House of Cards and the guy from The Wire playing siblings for a low budget production that seems like they were simply the best that Fox could do on short notice.
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Yup. This was the point I wanted to make in my earlier post. But I guess some GAFers will just jump at anything to imply someone is a closet racist. :lol

FOX could've done a hell of a lot better with their casting.
 
FFP2 said:
This sounds like it should be in a 90's movie.
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If it was a 90s movie it would likely be looked back upon as a "so bad it's good" movie with threads dedicated to the cliches, tropes and tokenism of the 90s. Many gif's of LaForge "dealing with it" would be posted.
 
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