davepoobond
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Doctor Doom is an anti-social computer programmer in the upcoming Fantastic Four film
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unholyrevenger72
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Is their an interview in which Trank explicitly stated this?
Coriolanus
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I can see vertigo Constantine running into these four.
DeathBruzer
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Hopefully when it bombs it forces their hand.
I just don't get why they would want the rights if they're going to rush into making a movie with a relatively small budget. This is the perfect time to put out a good version of this movie so what exactly are they waiting for?
Nintendoga
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One of the most devastating evil intelligent beings of the Marvel Universe....is an internet blogger.
Fuuuuuuuck this.
Fuuuuuuuck this.
Yeah, I hate change too.
thecouncil
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...in a way.
Bobby Roberts
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And your reasonings and my reasonings couldn't possibly be related, though, right?
This shit doesn't happen in a vaccuum.
We've had nothing but the same by-the-numbers, milquetoast comic book movies for the past decade. I'm excited for anything that shakes up the status quo.
could happen.
But there is nothing that has been said by the director or anyone who is attached to this project that suggests Michael B. Jordan is the star.
maybe you are just pulling shit from vaccuum. Time will tell I guess.
Isn't Michael B also the biggest name in the movie? It would make sense for him to be pushed the most.
Miles Teller is a lot of buzz from Whiplash and Kate Mara is from House of Cards. I'd say they're all roughly equivalent.
Choppasmith
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But seriously, I have to wonder if Disney/Marvel could sue at this point for damaging the brand.
But seriously, I have to wonder if Disney/Marvel could sue at this point for damaging the brand.
"damaging the brand"
Maybe wait until the movie's actually out before jumping to conclusions about it. It's entirely possible for a movie that deviates from source material to be excellent.
this will surely save us from garbage like the dark knight and gotg amiriteguys
Tim the Wiz
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I doubt this will have much impact on how well this turns out. Trank is a good director and the cast looks solid. I'd say that's more important.
(The screenwriters don't inspire much confidence, though.)
(The screenwriters don't inspire much confidence, though.)
Not anymore. Johnny is now a funky dark skinned sex magician who's gonna show the awkward nerd exactly why he can't get bitches by trolling blogs and forums all day. It's basically Revenge of the Nerds in reverse.
Bobby Roberts
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This doesn't even make sense. The whole point of my argument is to use the context of all this news as support for my argument. It's the exact opposite of a vaccuum.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Im all for this. Im not for bad movies that appear to be actively embarrassed tp be based on superhero comics.
I'd rather see a movie try something new and interesting and fail, than toe the line, fill in the MCU madlibs book they've been using since the first Iron Man, and make close to a billion dollars on the back of myopic comic book nerds and children.
As odd as it may seem, I actually can roll with this train of thought.
Hell, I'd be excited by an Aunt May movie just to see if they could pull it off.
unholyrevenger72
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Your entire argument is predicated on a baseless assumption, the assumption that because Jordan was cast first, he is therefore the lead.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I wouldn't want to watch a film where the source material is twisted beyond recognition, really.
Saying that the movie is being built around him is a huge leap. His casting and race necessitated other changes. Doesn't mean that he is getting top billing. He could end up being the focal point or not.
All of the people cast are hardly household names but have acclaimed work. Fox is doing everything to minimize costs on this.
Do you think minor changes to a character's name and background (if this is actually the case, anyway, there's still a whole bunch about this movie we don't know) is really twisting something "beyond recognition?" Or are you mad about Johnny Storm being black?
Adios Turd Nuggets.
Bobby Roberts
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That assumption isn't "baseless" at all. Hollywood works the way it does (and has for decades) for pretty clear reasons most of the time. Usually, with blockbuster action movies intended to premiere in the summer season as a means to help make the studio as much money as possible, the first real big piece of casting is the star of the movie. The studio wants to lock down who will be directing the film, and who will be carrying the movie from a marketing standpoint.
So when Fox grabs Josh Trank, and Trank picks Michael B. Jordan, it stands to reason Fox has their director and their lead. Consider that the rest of the Four took months to land, and their casting was announced in a much more low-key manner than the hiring of Jordan, which was a story in and of itself for quite awhile.
Add to that the fact the conception of the Four is quite a departure from what we're normally getting, it's not at all hard to make the assumption I'm making.
People are looking at this thing from the standpoint of having read a bunch of comics and having a general idea of what the team dynamic of the Four typically is. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of Hollywood doing Hollywood shit in the way it puts together a package to sell to the general public.
Again, you'd have to argue that the fact Jordan was the biggest news about the picture, that Jordan was the first actor hired, that Jordan is the biggest name from a marketing standpoint DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING because you assume Fox/Trank are pursuing a more standard, traditional Fantastic Four type of story that makes the above just coincidental/procedural stuff that doesn't mean anything with regards to the actual making of the movie.
I don't see that argument carrying so much weight right now.
I'm not saying I can't be wrong, because I've been obviously wrong about shit before, and I own it when it happens. But looking at this project, I have a hard time buying this is going to be a Reed Richards movie with Johnny playing the comic relief and Ben playing the pathos again. Because if that was the case, I don't think you'd have everything changed as much as it is, changes largely radiating out from the choice to cast a marketable, likable, famous black man as a lead.
PhoncipleBone
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What we know about Doom so far in this is not a minor change from the character in the books. It is a major change.
But that is just off what we know now. More details that actually seem true to the character may show up as more info gets out, but I doubt it.
Why would he be mad about Johnny Storm being black?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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There have been plenty of comic book movies that have been rather major departures from their source material. Some have been great (Nolan batman, singer x-men, Hellboy) and some have not been great (Nick Cage Ghost Rider) so im not sure why you are acting like the only super hero movies in the last ten years are the marvel studios movies and this is some great breath of fresh air.
Supermanisdead
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Agreed. Let's take a risk. Let's see what they can do with all the crazy news that's been coming out about this movie.
What we know about FF4 movie Doom: He has a different name and is a programmer instead of a scientist. He posts on "Blogging" sites.
None of this precludes the character from having any of the history or back story he has in the comics.
DonasaurusRex
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well galactus could end up being cloud storage or something more..grounded...
gutter_trash
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Doom can't catch a break on the silver screen
DonasaurusRex
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But its not a risk when its called the FF4 and has the Marvel logo on it, if they truly wanted to take a risk they would do their own sci fi movie with these ideas like they did with Chronicle.
I never said any of the things you're attributing me with saying, so why don't you reread my posts and start over.
This isn't true at all. It's entirely possible to take risks with already establish properties. Kubrick and The Shining for example.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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"We've had nothing but the same by-the-numbers, milquetoast comic book movies for the past decade".
George Oscar Bluth II
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I don't really see this as a minor change, as it has completely ignored what the character is and seems to have just taken the original name and changed it slightly, and also very small inspiration from the original design. That's all I can find of the Doctor Doom that fans know. That is why it is twisted beyond recognition to me, it's just Doom in name. I'm willing to given some benefit of the doubt that this is not the case, but I'm not holding my breath.
Why would I be mad about Johnny being black? I don't think a characters ethnicity should be changed for the sake of it, but that's another matter as it doesn't seem to be the case for this film anyway. I'm cool with Johnny being black, the actor seems like an good fit.
Call me crazy but I don't see a programmer/blogger giving himself the handle "Doom" being a monarch ruler of a nation, master of both science and mystic arts or super genius. i think i can make a pretty safe bet on that one.
I won't see it in theaters but depending on the reviews i may give it a shot on video. I'm always down for What If or multiverse stories and at this point thats definitely what this is.
if you don't know anything about the source material, how can you clammor for something "new" without being called a troll?
Bobby Roberts
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That's basically what every live-action adaptation is. Even the Marvel Studios ones. And it's absolutely the best way to approach any of these adaptations as a fan.
Sho_Nuff82
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I just want to document, right here on the internet, that you compared hacker-Doom to The Shining.
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