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[Quixzlizx]

The American Revolution was about a group of rich white people who were mad about being bossed around by another group of rich white people who were mostly the same as them, but snootier and richer.

The American Civil War was about two groups of rich white people who were mostly the same as each other, but were convinced that they were being bossed around by the other side.

I am admittedly not as well-versed about the French Revolution, but from what I understand, at the beginning it was agitated by a group of rich white people who were being bossed around by a rich white person who was convinced that God considered him hot shit.

I would say a more accurate analog would be the various socialist revolutions of the past century, but I somehow doubt that the Black People's Revolution is going to be spectacularly successful at capturing the American public's imagination.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

If only they rioted for a real cause...like some fucking pumpkins. Media would treat them differently. :3

The Negro preference for sweet potato pie over pumpkin pie is indicative of problems within the community

 

[Kettch]

Ok, thank you for your contributions to society!

Though I have no idea how you can say voting wouldn't have an impact here when participation in Ferguson in municipal elections is terrible. Elections which led to the hiring of this police chief, who hired and trained wilson. I get you, the impact of elections are not always visible, but in this case, it seems pretty easy to me to say that they are. If more minorities voted in Ferguson, then the city counsel would be more reflective of the constituency there and would likely have not hired such a buffoon as a police chief and his gaggle of questionable officers. These dots are not hard to connect.

I haven't looked into it personally, but I remember it being stated several times here that many of the candidates for municipal positions in Ferguson were running unopposed. If that's the case, then voting won't actually have an impact. First thing you need are candidates who care about these issues to run before you can actually vote in a more representative government.

 

[Malyse]

nah, shit happened in LA with little-to-no consequence.

That was over 20 years ago. The world has changed, and the 24 hour social media networks would force a change.

This. Again, the literal world is watching. The reason this even became a real thing was because of twitter, Instagram ect. Mainstream did not cover this from go, lest you forget.

The only thing violence is going to accomplish is to get more people to side with the police. My empathy fades rather quickly when I see a family business get looted and burned down.

That sounds like a personal problem.

The Negro preference for sweet potato pie over pumpkin pie is indicative of problems within the community

I will slap some taste in yo mouth, son. Don't you ever speak the blasphemous talk again, you hear me?

 

[King Cobra]

Riots would show the world that the black american is fed up. Y'all got to remember the world is watching and if a town gets razed and or its citizens massacred over racial tension? Dude, race would no longer be a side topic, it would be the whole discussion. No one would be talking about anything else and every damn body would be aiming to fix racial politics in America. Couldn't avoid it anymore.

That is the last thing that will happen, people I've talked to that even know about this just say that they are glad they don't live there, they see it as poverty issue.

That sounds like a personal problem.

Not when the rest of America is thinking the same thing.

 

[PopeReal]

It would be if there is. Why do you think the National Guard has been called in already?

I have some sort of twisted fantasy where the National Guard protects protestors from the police force. I am sure it will just be a double team though. American citizens being trounced while powers that be watch.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

I haven't looked into it personally, but I remember it being stated several times here that many of the candidates for municipal positions in Ferguson were running unopposed. If that's the case, then voting won't actually have an impact. First thing you need are candidates who care about these issues to run before you can actually vote in a more representative government.

Well, yes, that is part of the process. Obviously you aren't likely to write a candidate into office and if not a single soul wants to run in an election, what can the voters do I guess other than be as apathetic as the local leadership.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Ok, thank you for your contributions to society!

Though I have no idea how you can say voting wouldn't have an impact here when participation in Ferguson in municipal elections is terrible. Elections which led to the hiring of this police chief, who hired and trained wilson. I get you, the impact of elections are not always visible, but in this case, it seems pretty easy to me to say that they are. If more minorities voted in Ferguson, then the city counsel would be more reflective of the constituency there and would likely have not hired such a buffoon as a police chief and his gaggle of questionable officers. These dots are not hard to connect.

It's mostly because this isn't new cut road and a minority voting bloc isn't going to be enough to enact widespread social change.

I'm willing to concede that it might make Ferguson a better place, sure. But if these people still can't get jobs, still don't have any upward mobility, are still essentially segregated and are still seen by the population at large as not worth anything, that's only going to be a drop in the bucket of meaningful social change.

Drops aren't enough anymore. This has become bigger than Ferguson, and people in Ferguson, as well as people outside of Ferguson understand that.

Once again, not advocating for violence, but I understand why it could happen.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I have some sort of twisted fantasy where the National Guard protects protestors from the police force. I am sure it will just be a double team though. American citizens being trounced while powers that be watch.

Meanwhile a bunch of shitfucks always going on about "no more police state!" stay silent like the hypocritical cunt muscles they are.

Then they make tweets about wanting to appeal to the black vote.

I gag.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I don't recall advocating for violence. In fact, I don't think anyone here has done that. I think there are a bunch of people here who are fed up with the continued lack of justice and have said that if it comes to violence, so be it.

And yes, my parents are very proud of me, thank you for asking. I'll say it again, ending systematic discrimination isn't going to be achieved by a racial minority voting in local elections. The problems here go deeper than an election. Voting isn't going to fix it.

This idea that "violence never solves anything" is a flawed notion that needs to be retired. You can understand that violence has been an effective tool in the past for changing paradigms without also calling for violence.

Uh, many bloody violent revolutions of the past were fought for the "useless" right to vote. We just had an election with one of the lowest turnouts on record.

People already rioted. It brought national attention but nothing has changed. How is more violence going to help? Do you really think the people living outside of ferguson give a shit if they burn down the quicktrip again?

 

[CrankyJay]

It's mostly because this isn't new cut road and a minority voting bloc isn't going to be enough to enact widespread social change.

I'm willing to concede that it might make Ferguson a better place, sure. But if these people still can't get jobs, still don't have any upward mobility, are still essentially segregated and are still seen by the population at large as not worth anything, that's only going to be a drop in the bucket of meaningful social change.

Drops aren't enough anymore. This has become bigger than Ferguson, and people in Ferguson, as well as people outside of Ferguson understand that.

Once again, not advocating for violence, but I understand why it could happen.

I would love for something good to come out of this. I would certainly hope some people would be inspired to run for local office and get more equal representation in local government.

Then if anything does change it could be used as a model for similar communities. It would take a long time though. And yeah, it's idealistic talk I admit.

I just don't think an uprising would work unless you got white people to join in, and that probably wouldn't happen unless some larger circle of civil liberties was being violated (for example, the rampant militarization of police)

 

[Mesousa]

Uh, many bloody violent revolutions of the past were fought for the "useless" right to vote. We just had an election with one of the lowest turnouts on record.

People already rioted. It brought national attention but nothing has changed. How is more violence going to help? Do you really think the people living outside of ferguson give a shit if they burn down the quicktrip again?

The city is under emergency and shit hasn't even happened. A lot changed brother.

Shops shut down, this is economic revolution. This is what will create change.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Uh, many bloody violent revolutions of the past were fought for the "useless" right to vote. We just had an election with one of the lowest turnouts on record.

People already rioted. It brought national attention but nothing has changed. How is more violence going to help? Do you really think the people living outside of ferguson give a shit if they burn down the quicktrip again?

I don't recall saying voting in general is useless. I did say that I'm becoming disenfranchiased to the process, and that a local election isn't going to solve anything in the grand scheme of things, of which Ferguson itself is a smaller part of now.

I'm also not sure why violence is such a sticking point for you, considering that in the post you quoted, I made it very clear that I'm not advocating for violence.

What the hell does your post have to do with anything I said?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Newark riots accomplished nothing but destroying the city of newark.

There's actually a ton of analogues here. Surprised it hasn't been brought up more in media coverage of ferguson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Newark_Riots

 

[FiggyCal]

Riots would show the world that the black american is fed up. Y'all got to remember the world is watching and if a town gets razed and or its citizens massacred over racial tension? Dude, race would no longer be a side topic, it would be the whole discussion. No one would be talking about anything else and every damn body would be aiming to fix racial politics in America. Couldn't avoid it anymore.

It would send a message , but nothing of substance would actually change. In the end, they'd end up doing more damage to themselves, by hurting the businesses in their area than they would to help race relations. Look at what happened when all of this first started. America, land of the free, is arresting reporters. Arresting peaceful protesters. Firing teargas and rubber bullets at the community. Then the cops decided they were tired of doing all that and created "free speech hours" -- you can only protests between these times or we're arresting you. "Free speech zones" -- you can't protest over here or we're arresting you. And sometimes you have the proper credentials and you're at the right place at the right time, but they arrest you anyway -- maybe you were standing still for too long. The militarization of our police force was never more publicized than at that moment. And none of that was changed. America and its leaders simply do not care enough to address some serious issues we have over here.

 

[Coins]

They're not. They'll simply say "yea the violence sucks, but if you're patient and vote things will change!" whatever the fuck that even means.

This post is just mind boggling. You have a fucking town that's almost all black. You have political leadership filled by people that are all white. White people THAN RUN AGAINST NO ONE. The shit is handed to them because the blacks in Ferguson don't fucking vote. If someone in this thread that's black and gave enough of a fuck, you could move there and probably win.

 

[Ninja Of Chaos]

Meanwhile a bunch of shitfucks always going on about "no more police state!" stay silent like the hypocritical cunt muscles they are.

Then they make tweets about wanting to appeal to the black vote.

I gag.

I've actually been wondering something similar.

Where are all the second amendment lunatics that are afraid of the "tyrannical government"? We've all seen the pictures that came out of Ferguson...so, uh, where are they?

 

[Mesousa]

This post is just mind boggling. You have a fucking town that's almost all black. You have political leadership filled by people that are all white. White people THAN RUN AGAINST NO ONE. The shit is handed to them because the blacks in Ferguson don't fucking vote. If someone in this thread that's black and gave enough of a fuck, you could move there and probably win.

That would change nothing though.

 

[Flo_Evans]

The city is under emergency and shit hasn't even happened. A lot changed brother.

Shops shut down, this is economic revolution. This is what will create change.

Uh yeah. Shits going to change. It's going to be an even bigger shit hole than it already is.

It's quite laughable you think shutting down a few shops has any effect on anyone besides the people that live there.

Ferguson is going to collapse and be absorbed by the majority white racist as fuck st loius county. You know the ones with he tax base to buy the fucking tanks?

That's the only change that can be accomplished by driving people and business out of the community.

 

[Velcro Fly]

The problems with what is going on in Ferguson extend beyond Ferguson and beyond local politics. Racism is everywhere and it's a system wide problem instead of just focused in Ferguson. If firing the police chief and voting out the mayor would magically solve all the problems I feel like it would have been done by now.

 

[Coins]

That would change nothing though.

Right. Because you'd rather watch the violence from afar on your TV instead of having meaningful change.

 

[FiggyCal]

That would change nothing though.

It would be a good start.

 

[Mesousa]

Uh yeah. Shits going to change. It's going to be an even bigger shit hole than it already is.

It's quite laughable you think shutting down a few shops has any effect on anyone besides the people that live there.

Ferguson is going to collapse and be absorbed by the majority white racist as fuck st loius county. You know the ones with he tax base to buy the fucking tanks?

That's the only change that can be accomplished by driving people and business out of the community.

Economic revolution. It will only not mean anything if it does not spread to St.Louis. It gets there and people will take note. Revolution spreads like wildfire.

 

[ggnoobIGN]

I've actually been wondering something similar.

Where are all the second amendment lunatics that are afraid of the "tyrannical government"? We've all seen the pictures that came out of Ferguson...so, uh, where are they?

Rush Limbaugh of all people was very defensive of the Ferguson re: this issue

 

[PopeReal]

I've actually been wondering something similar.

Where are all the second amendment lunatics that are afraid of the "tyrannical government"? We've all seen the pictures that came out of Ferguson...so, uh, where are they?

I think we all know the answer.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

The problems with what is going on in Ferguson extend beyond Ferguson and beyond local politics. Racism is everywhere and it's a system wide problem instead of just focused in Ferguson. If firing the police chief and voting out the mayor would magically solve all the problems I feel like it would have been done by now.

There has been no municipal election in Ferguson since the shooting and therefore no opportunity to run against and defeat the mayor. It is a sad state of affairs when it takes the death of a boy to wake the citizenry from their slumber, but clearly in this case that is what it has taken, hopefully their apathy will be abated until the next city council and mayoral elections. Different mayor, different city council=different city manager and police chief, hopefully both of whom are more reflective of the local population.

there is a reason there are all these townships in cities like st. louis, it is to retain some modicum of local control. Unfortunately in this case the majority willingly abdicated their power to a police force that is not remotely suitable to the community, either by make up or training.

 

[Volimar]

Do you really think that is how the media in America is going to portray things?

"Here we have the legal system working as intended, but that's not good enough for these animals. The thugs in this community want to use race to perpetrate violence and terrorize their neighbors' communities because they don't like the decision of the grand jury made up of upstanding citizens from that very same community." - Fox News, probably

 

[Mesousa]

Right. Because you'd rather watch the violence from afar on your TV instead of having meaningful change.

A blackface on council won't be meaningful change because the system is broke, and the people of Ferguson also clearly feel.

 

[PopeReal]

Also why is it on the community to fix a broken system and criminal police force? By all means try, but those who can inact real change are those in power. Seems like they are just given a free pass because they are assholes.

Meanwhile the community is being told "protest, but do it right." Why is there no pressure on the police and leaders to do anything? All the expextations are being put on everyone else to act right while they continue the same shit.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

Also why is it on the community to fix a broken system and criminal police force? By all means try, but those who can inact real change are those in power. Seems like they are just given a free pass because they are assholes.

Meanwhile the community is being told "protest, but do it right." Why is there no pressure on the police and leaders to do anything? All the expextations are being put on everyone else to act right while they continue the same shit.

This is a town of 20,000 not 2,000,000, this specific community has direct ownership over their politicians which has control over the police, or rather they should if they did not abdicate their power through apathy.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

This post is just mind boggling. You have a fucking town that's almost all black. You have political leadership filled by people that are all white. White people THAN RUN AGAINST NO ONE. The shit is handed to them because the blacks in Ferguson don't fucking vote. If someone in this thread that's black and gave enough of a fuck, you could move there and probably win.

"the blacks"...lol. Mmmm...yummy yummy yummy funny.

Also you're just promoting more racism.

"Here we have the legal system working as intended, but that's not good enough for these animals. The thugs in this community want to use race to perpetrate violence and terrorize their neighbors' communities because they don't like the decision of the grand jury made up of upstanding citizens from that very same community." - Fox News, probably

They are just a tiny part and, more importantly, outdated facet of the media. There are many non-traditional media opportunities, some of which haven't even been discovered yet.

 

[PopeReal]

This is a town of 20,000 not 2,000,000, this specific community has direct ownership over their politicians which has control over the police, or rather they should if they did not abdicate their power through apathy.

Again, why can't the police just not be dicks? No one will answer that question.

 

[Brakke]

nah, shit happened in LA with little-to-no consequence.

There's no way to look at Rodney King riots and see "little to no consequence".

 

[Coins]

"the blacks"...lol. Mmmm...yummy yummy yummy funny.

Also you're just promoting more racism.

They are just a tiny part and, more importantly, outdated facet of the media. There are many non-traditional media opportunities, some of which haven't even been discovered yet.

I'm promoting racism by saying black people should take more ownership of their town that's predominately black?

Wat?

 

[HORRORSHØW]

There's no way to look at Rodney King riots and see "little to no consequence".

i lived through it; i participated in it. maybe i'm oblivious because i was in the middle of it and can't tell the trees from the forest, but what systemic change did it ultimately bring?

 

[thepotatoman]

This post is just mind boggling. You have a fucking town that's almost all black. You have political leadership filled by people that are all white. White people THAN RUN AGAINST NO ONE. The shit is handed to them because the blacks in Ferguson don't fucking vote. If someone in this thread that's black and gave enough of a fuck, you could move there and probably win.

The whites don't exactly pay a whole lot of attention to primaries for positions like prosecutor either. Only difference is how extremely unlikely it is for them to get a prosecutor that would discriminate against them no matter the situation.

 

[MechaX]

This post is just mind boggling. You have a fucking town that's almost all black. You have political leadership filled by people that are all white. White people THAN RUN AGAINST NO ONE. The shit is handed to them because the blacks in Ferguson don't fucking vote. If someone in this thread that's black and gave enough of a fuck, you could move there and probably win.

This is completely ignoring the demographic of black individuals who do stay in Ferguson, let alone most municipalities in North County of St. Louis County. Either you have a populace that either cannot vote or too wary of approaching anything that resembles a government institution (for instance, warrant amnesty programs happen quite frequently in St. Louis City, but not so much St. Louis County, especially North County), a populace of black individuals who are not, or are in the process of becoming as educated as their white peers (most of the schools in Ferguson and adjacent municipalities are not as ruinous as St. Louis City Public Schools, but are still a far cry from private schools that do require tuition or even richer, predominately white municipalities within North County, etc), or the people that do fit your criteria would get absolutely no support from people within his own government.

It's not nearly as simple as "lol we just need a motivated black person to move there and they will win!" because that's not going to solve the generations of distrust for these municipal governments. And this is for good reason too, as you either have police doing really shady stuff to its populace (ie, City of Jennings and its issue with corruption within its own police force before it got taken over by St. Louis County PD) or municipal governments that are just flat out fucking incompetent (a few years ago, one municipality forgot to pay its phone and electricity bill, which meant that there was an entire day where it was completely cutoff to any emergency happening within its borders, and another municipality was criticized for hiring police officers without any kind of police background or training).

 

[alstein]

I haven't looked into it personally, but I remember it being stated several times here that many of the candidates for municipal positions in Ferguson were running unopposed. If that's the case, then voting won't actually have an impact. First thing you need are candidates who care about these issues to run before you can actually vote in a more representative government.

I lost a lot of sympathy when I saw that they didn't increase their voter registrations. The easiest way to get radical change is at the ballot box, especially locally.

Now, if the election gets rigged- then a riot is appropiate.

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

Amen. You want change? You want your protest? Fine. Just don't take out someone else's life or livelihood in the fucking process.

Yup

 

[CrankyJay]

Also why is it on the community to fix a broken system and criminal police force?

is this a joke post?

 

[Protein]

Can I have a short breakdown of the recent findings? As in autopsy reports, recent evidence, etc.? A link would be fine too.

 

[ICKE]

is this a joke post?

I also do not understand the point. Of course changing society as a whole is a huge task for any group of people, national elections will only steer the country towards a certain direction and people who are disenfranchised might feel like their vote is nearly useless (I disagree).

But local community is a completely different animal, active people can change things around drastically and no one else is going to do it for you. Long term, people outside Ferguson will not care if people riot and burn down local businesses.

 

[jWILL253]

I lost a lot of sympathy when I saw that they didn't increase their voter registrations. The easiest way to get radical change is at the ballot box, especially locally.

So, you're implying that Black folks in Ferguson deserve whatever they get because they didn't participate in a system that is not only completely untrustworthy, but one that actively goes out of their way to reduce minority votes anyways, and also doesn't let any felons vote?

 

[Thunder Monkey]

They're not. They'll simply say "yea the violence sucks, but if you're patient and vote things will change!" whatever the fuck that even means.

Same thing it always meant.

"Play by the white mans rules or end up dead."

It's almost been 50 years since King was assassinated. We have a black president, and you still have to worry about getting killed by "law enforcement officials" because of your skin. White people like me are given all the leeway in the world. We can carry AK's into Wal-Mart start waving them around and go home to our families after being talked down.

I love a good dehumanizing stare joke as much as the next person, but honestly this shit is well past disgusting. If it takes tearing things down to make a change, hell even just a point, I say go for it. "Freedom isn't free."

 

[alstein]

So, you're implying that Black folks in Ferguson deserve whatever they get because they didn't participate in a system that is not only completely untrustworthy, but one that actively goes out of their way to reduce minority votes anyways, and also doesn't let any felons vote?

A low percentage are felons, yeah, it's higher than it should be, but it's low. Voting isn't completely untrustworthy, even with the voter ID bullshit- which is bullshit. With 70+% of the population, even if 20% ended up disenfranchised, with enough participation you'd win the election easily.

When disenfranchisement is so great that voting is a sham, then more action is needed, but election results can still be won legitimately.

Yeah, sometimes shit has to happen and things need to happen. If a group can win at the ballot box, but refuses to vote (and I think it is refusal), then I have less sympathy. If minorities voted like they should have this November, we wouldn't be looking at a Republican Senate.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Do people not realize the situation in Ferguson isn't just about Ferguson. Even if the Black people there were to control their municipality the reason things like Michael Brown's shooting happen will still be around

 

[Ember128]

Can I have a short breakdown of the recent findings? As in autopsy reports, recent evidence, etc.? A link would be fine too.

I had a list earlier, but I can't find it. Here's 4 eyewitness statemenets lined up side by side though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOh5L6zXHB4

 

[J10]

Eh, nevermind. I misspoke.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I'm promoting racism by saying black people should take more ownership of their town that's predominately black?

Wat?

Referring to black people as "black people" (or in your case, "teh blacks"), white as white people, Asian as Asian people, Latinos as Latino people...yeah, you are. I've already said my piece on this before so if you can't bother to read up a few posts that's on you. But by using that terminology to refer to people, you are referring to them as a race, i.e different species of organisms, indirectly. Yes as a socio-political construct the concept of "race" exists but that's only b/c it's been manufactured into that definition; there is no science that verifies it whatsoever.

In other words you are still casually supporting racism by referring to it as 'racism' and defining people into 'races'. In other words, it still indirectly, casually verifies some models of eugenics. And it's not just you; that's pretty much what everyone in this thread's been doing. In the end it prevents the real roots of problems from being dealt with as they should.

 

[kame-sennin]

I lost a lot of sympathy when I saw that they didn't increase their voter registrations. The easiest way to get radical change is at the ballot box, especially locally.

Now, if the election gets rigged- then a riot is appropiate.

Yea, they need to vote Governor Nixon out and replace him with a democrat.