Just finished watching it. This game pisses me off already. Incessant gameplay cuts, mini-games, narrow corridors, having to wait for the NPC to open the doors and so on. It's a shame because some of the fights have some punch to them thanks to the sound effects but the game reminded me of Heavy Rain more often than not. Doesn't help the player was crap.
36 minutes of The Order 1886 gameplay (offscreen)
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There are also shadows cast at 10:55, but at the specific time your talking about the camera is at almost at the exact same height and is positioned directly behind the light source which would make shadows incredibly hard to see. If you place a light source directly in front of your face pointed at an object you're looking at there is almost no visible shadow.
Edit: you can actually see really thin shadows cast on the right hand side at 11:16.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It really is a beautiful looking game, Ready at Dawn are flexing their muscles. The gameplay looks unremarkable, but you know what? It's decent. Even if it ends up being mediocre, that's going to be an improvement over the comically bad earlier demonstrations. Hopefully they'll fix the AI glitches like trying to take cover on wrong sides of objects.
matrixman92
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this looks infinitely better than anything we have seen officially so far. They need to do better showings of this game, with actual structure. Not just mindlessly going through a hallway shooting enemies over and over again with no context
Trigonometrize.
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I plan to purchase this game and enjoy it.
BrickArmour
Member
Wow, this demo took me from 10% interest to 95% interest. Almost a sure buy for me. Anyone know how long the game is?
nullpoynter
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Smh
Naughty_Doge
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No, it doesn't make sense. He's talking about the gameplay mechanics of a game he hasn't played. How do you judge how deep or shallow the mechanics are without even touching the game? Also, he doesn't explain why the mechanics are shallow.
From the impressions I've read, at least the cover mechanics are really well done. Not shallow at all.
We are commenting the post of the guy who was not happy that 5th game set in Uncharted universe still has jumping, climbing and shooting that was "not improved".
He somehow managed to not spot the mechanical improvements of much better stealth, drastically larger [and highly vertical] battlefield, and smart integration of exciting moves inside that battlefield. Heck, new uncharted does not need to change much, and what they shown at PSX represents very nice improvement upon old gameplay set.
I could praise Order 1886 in the same way. It has gorgeous visual style, exciting story setting, weapon type that we never saw before in this type of game [phosphorus gun], black water mechanic, branchable melee fights and presumably that ability of controlling magnetic fields that RAD did not publicaly show just yet. More than enough distinctive elements to make it stand out from other TPS games and make gameplay interesting [if the pacing and story are crafted well].
The resolution of a game isn't the only thing that makes a game have good visuals. And don't give me that crap about it lacking certain visual techniques when we both know the game is pushing some pretty amazing tech to begin with, with or without whatever you deem missing.
Simple and effective is one thing, it's of course important that every mechanic serves a purpose and makes the game better and all that.
The Order though seems to me as a step back from games that already had a bit too few or too shallow mechanics.
I don't see what was so outrageous about my post, I think it's very much in line with what others had said during the last year about The Order. My opinion just haven't changed much from seeing this clip.
lolosgolos
Banned
Graphics are really good, in game animations are a bit funny
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm not sure what do you mean? In both the video I linked to and the time mark of the OP video I pointed to, I could clearly see dynamic shadows being cast from people carrying the torch.
Sodding_Gamer
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Really liking the look of this. Doesn't change much on the game play perspective of things but it still looks worth a punt. Story sounds quite interesting just from this 30 minutes of footage alone.
VFX_Veteran
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Resolution means a lot to the IQ of a game -- as does the limited space this game runs in (which is why understandably many feel UC4 is still more impressive). As I said, the game looks the best on the PS4. Arguably the best on both X1 and PS4 (Ryse still looks stellar on X1). But if we go to the PC, then you are talking a whole lot of shit that this game just doesn't have that some PC games do because they aren't downgraded like the consoles.
Lastly, don't mistaken a photo-real color palette to mean it's doing some technical wizardry. I have always stated that AC:U on PC looks as good as it does because of it's art direction -- not it's technical prowess.
LookAtMeGo
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Yup. Totally looks like Heavy Rain.... :/
VFX_Veteran
Banned
Let's wait till the game releases to discuss it's technical merits. For now, all I'm seeing done really well is the PBR (which is a HUGE plus in my book) and the AA.
Icyflamez96
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
OK well, I'm not sure what's there to discuss about the shadows as you were clearly wrong. You might be right about the reflections lacking color information though, but it's hard to see from this kind of video. You thought reflections of people in I:SS lacked color information too, but were wrong about it.
I'm really worried about the replayability of this game. Just watching this footage, I feel like a majority of those sequences are instances that would be rather annoying during a second or third playthrough of this game given the incessant hand-holding nature of what we've seen. The shooting does look good though, and I like the amount of kick and power your weapons seem to have.
Mirror anyone? Sentry's right. It's down.
Naughty_Doge
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vfx touting ac and down playing another game. where have a i seen this before
Please, don't make this another UC4 thread.
Please upload it.
PairOfFilthySocks
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It's a graphically intensive game. It's going to be cheating everything.
As for the overall game itself, it certainly looks gorgeous, but I'm still not seeing anything to set it apart from the avalanche of TPSs we've had over the last decade or so. The acting and dialogue actually finally seems to have some energy to it, which is good to see. But the core game doesn't seem committed to doing anything new whatsoever. I also question the sense in having the game over mechanic cause the player to get knocked to the ground and wait to regenerate, seeing as there's no multiplayer. That particular design choice makes zero sense yet. The melee QTE system appears to be little more than a flashy Dragon's Lair re-imagining. Outside of that, the extremely on-rails nature of the level design isn't all that surprising, but it does make the game heavily dependent on the devs coming up with both a great story to tell as well as coming up with inventive ways of keeping the incredibly safe shooting feeling fresh.
I think we've all played enough games to be able to watch someone else play something and understand what's going on. There's nothing about picking up the controller for yourself that suddenly opens up a whole new world of progressive design.
Dictator93
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I actually asked their rendering lead on twitter if they are using SSR or a similar IBL and geometry system like in "remeber me."
Hope he responds!
I have a 720p version of it uploaded in the meantime:
https://mega.co.nz/#!TZ43zabR!LBLoGskYvjmDujT6mpC-qsWkN3l9BEXyfqpAEc3N8Qc
Edit: Or you could use the link above ^^
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Something that doesn't get enough credit is their cloth physics tech. It looks uncanny how they move in the wind, collapse when touching the ground, etc.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
Then don't listen to me. It's that simple.
I:SS may have reflected color from people in some areas and not in others.. it's what devs do to tone down graphics and keep the game running. TLOU had GI bounce realtime for it's flashlight.. but it was only in certain sections of the game -- not everywhere (like Alien:Isolation). This points to a hardware limitation. I respect pure brute-force rendering more than tricks. It's just my tastes.
Well I don't think they improved the jumping, climbing and shooting enough, in an earlier thread I wrote this. (Now that we are scrounging through my post history)
I was disappointed I didn't get something like that. And I sure noticed the new stealth and the vertical map design, I liked that but it wasn't something that blew me away.
Saint of Killers
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I understand people saying it seems to play like a generic TPS. What I don't understand is how that hurts its chances of success. I mean I want fresh gameplay ideas too, but let's not pretend that the majority of the best selling games of today are anything but generic examples of their genres and that generic cannot be a blast to play.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
vfx touting ac and down playing another game. where have i seen this before
If you've seen my first post, you'll know that's not true. Stop trolling and read next time.
seems like there are a certain type of games you like, and you want other games to fit it or else it's not "good enough". It's definitely your taste.. and your taste only.
Naughty_Doge
Member
Surely you can't be serious.
nelsonroyale
Member
I hope this will encourage them to release at least part of the sequence in direct feed.
Oh come on, you do push AC U...every time you enter a PS4 thread. There is nothing wrong with you favouring that game, just don't expect your opinions to be universal or even objective. They aren't. You have technical knowledge and yet still display serious partiality.
Oh come on, you do push AC U...every time you enter a PS4 thread. There is nothing wrong with you favouring that game, just don't expect your opinions to be universal or even objective. They aren't. You have technical knowledge and yet still display serious partiality.
fastford58
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This is not RADs goal and have never stated as much. Your own expectations do you injustice
Naturally it's more fun to play games for yourself, but it's easy to look at a game and roughly gauge how complex it is, how much depth there is, whether there are any interesting design decisions. Doesn't seem controversial.
...Maybe. But I was definitely not alone in that thread wanting much improved platforming and climbing in Uncharted. Still this thread is about The Order so enough about that.
That was actually me talking about Uncharted because a dude found something outrageous in my post history. Sorry for the confusion.