...Not exactly. User scores are dictated by gamers outside of the review circuit, so it's based on their feelings of the game. Games that launch with issues and massive patches (of which we've had more than a fair share recently) are going to be torn a new one by jilted individuals and tank the user ratings. That's one of the cost's of this release plan; It's not really Metacritic's fault that Nintendo can capitalize on it using their good record with users and make this particular argument.
NoA: "there are more great games on Nintendo platforms than anywhere else!"
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...Not exactly. User scores are dictated by gamers outside of the review circuit, so it's based on their feelings of the game. Games that launch with issues and massive patches (of which we've had more than a fair share recently) are going to be torn a new one by jilted individuals and tank the user ratings. That's one of the cost's of this release plan; It's not really Metacritic's fault that Nintendo can capitalize on it using their good record with users and make this particular argument.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Indeed.
We own a Wii U. The games are... good. Not really amazing. After an hour or so, kinda boring to be honest. Not enough narrative and interesting characters to really have much lasting appeal.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Eternal Darkness? Rogue Leader? Super Monkey Ball? Tony Hawk? I mean, really?
Eternal Darkness is first party. Truly the Xenoblade of the GCN era with how many people still get it wrong.
I wouldn't say boring, I'd say "uninspired". Some of the multiplayer is really fun its just that... It doesn't have much lasting effect. Mario Kart 64 is still played to this day, I doubt we will still be playing mk8 once the next one comes out.
I was always under the impression StevieP was a big PC gamer being that anytime consoles and good graphics get mentioned in the same sentence he always quick to jump the gun.
It's all about priorities. I couldn't imagine gaming without smash, kart, and Zelda. I need a Nintendo console first and then I might get another console further down the line once it's library proves it's worth. (Last gen it was Wii first then 360, before it was GameCube first then gaming PC actually) it's looking like PS4 will be my secondary this gen depending on how No Mans Sky turns out and I might jump into the souls series with Bloodborne.
It's really not as issue. Yeah I might have months without any new games released that are worth purchasing but I don't need a new game every month and Nintendo games like smash and Kart have an arguably infinite appeal so I can just keep playing those.
Also if rumors hold true and Nintendos console and handhelds games are to be developed for both consoles, Nintendo will have no trouble when it comes to its library. Imagining a console that played all 3DS and WiiU games, aw lawdy.
You've got me mixed up. I spend multiple hundreds of dollars per year on software that isn't beholden to a first party console maker. And shockingly, I am a multi console owner from multiple manufacturers.
I spend 90 percent plus of my gaming time on my PCs, and yes that includes a lot of time playing some of the broken low-user-rated games like battlefield 4 on a regular basis. I am indeed of the opinion that if you're looking for top tier visuals a console is not the place to go. Art direction notwithstanding (for example, wind waker hd, tear away, mario 3d world - these are all pretty looking games).
Going back to the topic, there is nothing controversial about nintendo claiming they put out great (by meta critic standards) software this year in comparison to the competition. They did.
People were still playing Mario Kart Wii even after 7 came out. I'm also sure they would still be playing it too if they hadn't shut down the online. MK7 is still just as active even after 8 cane out.
People were still playing, battling and trading in Pokémon BW even after XY came out. You guys are showing that you seriously have no idea about the lasting appeal and replayability in multiplayer Nintendo games with statements like that.
It's also the main reason why their games retain their value years after they were released and why they don't need to milk stuff like MK and Smash every single year.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
What? Are you serious? Nintendo has the oddest, least approachable design philosophies that are completely out of step with the tastes of most gamers (and no, I'm not just talking about shooter fans). That's reflected in the failure of the Wii U to capture any significant market or mindshare.
They're great at making certain kinds of games... that the majority of gamers are wholly disinterested in. Congrats, I guess?
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
It IS odd how often I forget that one. It's so not a Nintendo-style game, it's easy to make the mistake!
I mean if you want to put qualifiers as to when a good game is considered a good game by the masses only, then you'd have to redo your sentiment to read something like this:
Console manufacturers (or "console publishers" if you'd prefer) are making good games that the majority of gamers are wholly disinterested in. That's because they're all out of step with the tastes of most gamers.
In fact the closest game to do that in recent history is wii sports.
This, wow. I'm amazed. How did this thread possibly get this long? Its PR.
"We da best!" -Says company.
I don't think its that big of a deal.
I think Nintendo's biggest problem is they essentially ditched their prior demographic during the Wii generation and pushed towards the casual gamer. The casual gamer moved towards consoles and tablets, now Nintendo is focusing on their hardcore, Gamecube-era demographic. Just look at the games they are pushing, Bayonetta, Star Fox, Wind Waker, Donkey Kong, etc, these are going to appeal to that older, more dedicated market.
But that same market was completely disenfranchised by that last generation. Where did that market go? Probably PC for the most part, but they are slowly coming around to Nintendo's message again, but how many did they lose in the interim?
But that same market was completely disenfranchised by that last generation. Where did that market go? Probably PC for the most part, but they are slowly coming around to Nintendo's message again, but how many did they lose in the interim?
Team Top Hat
Banned
Nintendo certainly isn't lying. 2014 has been a wonderful year for us fans; outside of virtual console.
So many good games.
So many good games.
Yeah Nintendo completely ignored their more dedicated market by launching the Wii with a new Zelda and giving us a new Donkey Kong, Sin and Punishment, Fire Emblem, 3D Mario, etc.
i think the mistake was them completely no longer going after that demographic in a meaningful way. they weren't as into sequels as much as they were new experiences and interesting ways to play games. nintendogs, wii fit, brain age, and wii sports were all excellent experiments and really none of them needed sequels. when they did release sequels, for ds software it was years later on hardware that was $100 more expensive than the ds lite was, at prices $10 higher than games were in 2005 and 2006 (not to mention the whole deal with handheld gaming at the time being what it was). a similar issue occurred with the wii and wii u transition, where they expected a fairly price-sensitive userbase to buy in to a $350 console based off a game they didn't care about (nintendoland).
conceptually, the 3ds and the wii u were a mess. they lacked the same innovations that made games accessible and interesting as the ds and wii did. instead they had stereoscopic 3d and asymetrical gameplay, things that can't be conveyed in a mere phrase how they improve gaming. the 3ds is going to be 4 years old in 2015 and there's not one game that uses the stereoscopic 3d in a meaningful way. the wii u is 2 years old and only next year will it be getting software that makes good on using the gamepad as a new way to do things.
the doubling down on existing franchises is another part of this error. it's what cost them support during the gamecube era and it's what's costing them support now, but it's a minor issue in the grand scheme of the conceptual failures of the 3ds and wii u. however right now it's pretty much all they can do to stay afloat. they need this shrunken fanbase more than ever. what should have happened from 2010-2012 was continued experimentation and research. stuff like splatoon and games around the vitality sensor needed to happen on the wii to better fill in the gap. nintendo should have continued to be unpredictable and bold. instead they act like they don't even know what they had to begin with.
Because they didn't just say they're the best, they went and backed it up using loaded statistics. You can go around proclaiming all you want but when you start pulling out numbers expect them to be disected.
Nintendo didn't really ditch its fanbase with the Wii, it made plenty of software aimed at them through its classic, predictable 1st party IP releases to the revival of dormant franchises like Punch-Out!! and Donkey Kong Country. In addition, Nintendo developed Xenoblade Chronicles thanks to acquiring developer Monolith Soft. For the most part, Nintendo's classic IPs generally sold well, some of which sold even better on Wii than compared to GameCube. Of course, Nintendo's radical hardware design choices and unique controller for Wii certainly caused some Nintendo fans to basically abandon ship.
With the Wii U, Nintendo wanted to try to do a better job of targeting hardcore gamers beyond its own dedicated fan base along with targeting non-gamers once again. However, for several reasons, Nintendo failed to really attract any one particular audience. After 2013, Nintendo refocused its efforts toward its dedicated fan base (but of course, that software was already in development) because third party games sold like shit and Nintendo acknowledged that its casual IPs (stuff like Wii Fit, Wii Play and even Nintendo Land) failed to serve as evergreen system-seller titles. Nintendo didn't try to offer anything actually new after 2014 that would target non-gamers.
They've been dissected and they are completely accurate. I'm not sure how people are still finding stuff to post about.
prag16
Banned
Simply that console wars are serious goddamn business, and some aren't happy with the Wii U merely selling poorly. Apparently Nintendo needs to use ads to cast favorable light on competitors while publicly hanging their own heads in shame. Can't explain that. This is a sad sad topic indeed. One of the worst I've ever seen. In fact I'm gonna yank it out of my bookmarks after this post.
And before I could finish leaving the thread, here's a perfect example. Absurd absurd post. Completely inane. Sense not made. Ordinarily I'd have assumed this to be a joke post but sadly I've seen this guy's history in the topic, and alas, he is dead fucking serious. -_-
This thread has long since jumped the shark. Good night ladies and gents.
Lol.
shiftplusone
Member
The guy who posts a 0 review for halo saying "last of us is better" isn't a guy who's opinion should count when review scores are being compared.
The console wars is a 2 sided battle of shitheels doing their part
prag16
Banned
I posted this on the previous page and it went ignored (others throughout the thread have asked similar questions, which also went unaddressed; wonder why):
But I'm not gonna bother staying around for an answer because there won't be one (if there hasn't yet in 21 pages). Okay, done for real this time. Peace out.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
He's a massive Nintendo fan, no matter how many times he says he's a big PC gamer. Maybe he is but 90% of his posts, which is all we can go by, are defending Nintendo either directly in Nintendo-related threads or indirectly by downplaying the consoles by latching onto PC. Never seen him once in a PC game |OT| thread and I've been a part of a lot of them.
We can't do anything about it. It is what it is. Just move on
Yes the loaded statistics are accurate. They're still loaded. That's where the discussion is coming from.
Wiktor
Member
Those aren't the only reasons though. THere's also the tiny matter of there being barely any good 3rd party games to buy on Wii U. If you buy games for it, it's kind of hard to not buy mostly Nintendo ones.
It's pretty much definitive proof that Nintendo would be in a much better position if they had the full support of third parties like the other 2 platforms do. Sony and Microsoft could probably survive purely with third party content, their exclusives are more like the icing on the cake instead of the whole meal.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
You are insisting that a review system which has absolutely no criteria or standards for quality or legitimacy is a valid measure of game quality and demanding that others provide you with proof, while also asserting that Nintendo is "trolled relentlessly everywhere else on the internet."
You aren't really making a point other than that you don't understand the issue here.
User reviews are not legitimate because they are completely open to anyone on the internet without any real proof that the reviewer actually played the game. They can and are drastically swayed by the kind of "drive by" posting that gets people banned here on NeoGAF.
You are insisting that despite this fact, Nintendo having higher scores in that measure MUST mean that they are legitimate, which is backward logic. Its not legit just because it tells you what you want the truth to be.
You're adorable, though I guess you would be considering how broken up you are about the samaritan demo not being achievable on anything other than a high end PC
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Broken up? Not like any dev is going to make a game like that exclusive to PC anyway.You're adorable, though I guess you would be considering how broken up you are about the samaritan demo not being achievable on anything other than a high end PC
Everything they said about you on the last page is right, btw. It's nice other people are seeing through it now too.
I would say that it can be done on pc, easily, but that it would require an exorbitant amount of money for that level of consistency. It is far more likely to happen on pc, however, than it is with what is contained in any consoles. That's for another topic.
As for the other "truth"? No it isn't, but that's a discussion for private messages and not thread topics. I have no problem admitting that I prefer nintendo's output to (say, example) microsoft's due to my platformer/adventure game preferences on consoles (no shooters there, but I got a ps3 for uncharted and tales), I still prefer spending my time on my pc. I'm looking forward to GTA in Jan. I just activated the borderlands prequel a couple weeks ago. I've got dozens of indies in my backlog. My most played game of this year is battlefield, second most is my re-run of half life 2 and it's sequels, and then wolfenstein tno. Simcity, saints row 3 and 4, Planetside 2, Civ: Beyond Earth, all of these have had dozens of play sessions. Hundreds of hours between all of those titles. Me not posting in topics doesn't mean jack. Next time you want to attempt to indict me do it in private, please.
Man there's some serious animosity over a piece of fluff PR that's technically true but clearly has some flaws.
Metacritic user scores are 99% bullshit, but coupling it with legit Metacritic scores kinda helps the case that its loved by reviewers and trolls alike. That said, no one should dwell on the user scores or take this fluff piece seriously.
It's a PR piece. It's designed to make the system look good. Anyone getting up in arms over it on either side of the fence is just wasting their time.
Metacritic user scores are 99% bullshit, but coupling it with legit Metacritic scores kinda helps the case that its loved by reviewers and trolls alike. That said, no one should dwell on the user scores or take this fluff piece seriously.
It's a PR piece. It's designed to make the system look good. Anyone getting up in arms over it on either side of the fence is just wasting their time.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Can we close the thread then? Seems pointless talking about what amounts to a twitter post.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Those two guys on the last page indicted you, dude, not me. I guess you could say I piled on so I do apologize for that. No hard feelings
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
The way I feel about my Wii U, it has few but at the same time extremely good games. I've accepted that it'll be a box where I'll only be playing the exclusives more or less. I've had amazing times with w101, 3D world, MHU, bayo1/2, DKTF, ZombiU, Pikmin3 etc, and games like MK8 and SMASH will keep my console warm and occasionally turned on for a looong time. In that sense, I don't think there too much wrong with the ad, of current gen consoles (excluding PC) it still has the best exclusive library by most metrics, as it should having one more year on the market.
And this thread must be one of the worst I've skimmed through in quite some time. Y'all should be ashamed of yourself, this close to Christmas and everything. Be more merry.
And this thread must be one of the worst I've skimmed through in quite some time. Y'all should be ashamed of yourself, this close to Christmas and everything. Be more merry.
They weren't accurate either, as I pointed out, but not to worry. I don't take offense. There's a reason I didn't pile on you in the samaritan thread either. Tis the season and all that.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I don't see anyone piling on in that thread anyway. I'm the one who created it. Arkham Knight might be able to do it btw! It's open world too. Why don't you join in and post in there? You're good with tech stuff.
There are better on this board with in game technology. My profession is actually the tech behind the tech. I will say the resulting IQ of Arkham likely wont... what am I doing, wrong topic lol.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Well that's extremely subjective.
But it's objectively as true as it can get. WiiU and 3DS have been amazing with their exclusives.
Because they know Xbots downvote PlayStation games and Ponies downvote Xbox games while gamers don't give a shit. ;-)
Melchiah
Member
What I find surprising, is the discrepancy between the reviewer and user scores with indie games. Especially as those review scores aren't probably as likely to be affected by relations with the publisher, and usually have no game-breaking issues at launch.
sadly it seems as though feelings have been hurt.
Khaos_Knight
Banned
If they are really limited in manpower then they should do the sensible thing and hire more people. Of course this wouldn't be an issue if they had third parties to pick up the slack during the time in between Nintendo releases. Which they fucked up with their ultra conservative Japanese way of doing things.
What drought? There was a constant stream of games coming out for both the PS4 and X1 this past year. :|
Ok seriously, why do you guys act like third parties are the scourge of the earth?
Because in a certain sense, they play a large part in this mess by my reasoning. Sony and MS started catering to 3rd parties, not inherently bad on its own, right? But then the hardware manufacturers said "we're making a new console, what do you want from it?", effectively giving 3rd parties a blank schematic. the results are two semi-identical PC Lites. That's also not inherently bad on it's own, but still kinda eyebrow raising.
But when you couple that with the leeway that MS/Sony gave them in the 7th generation in order to bolster goodwill, leading to this attitude of slicing up games for console-exclusive content, releasing games that are in an intolerable state of function with the intent to 'fix it later', or allowing intrusive DRM practices onto consoles to again appease 3rd parties, and a whole mess of other factors, it becomes more clear of who's really got the reins at the moment. It's not the manufacturer's that actually make the hardware and take the risks and costs of producing and distributing a dedicated games platform, the ones that become the faces of the industry. No, it's the fair-weather big name 'mercenaries' that hold a grudge against minority pirates, that bleed wallets dry at the costs of goodwill, that drive IPs and ideas into the ground by regurgitating the same games year after year. That's not even getting into the DLC and micro-transaction bandwagon, which isn't really pertaining to the symbiotic/parasitic relationship.