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[Espada]

I'm finally looking into getting a TV and I am looking to spend under 1100 on it. This TV caught my eye (Sony KDL50W800B 50-Inch). I was wondering if I should go for the 55 inch or I should be looking at something else completely. I am not interested in getting a Samsung. Everyone single person I know with their more recent models has dealt with some level of frustration with it. I will primarily be using the TV for gaming.

I may be able to help you here.

I have that exact same TV, picked it up for $900 in August last year for precisely the same reason you are (gaming). It's actually pretty good right out of the box, but using RTings settings the picture got significantly better. It also has some of the deepest blacks I've seen on an LCD/LED display.

If you have any specific questions about it, just feel free to ask. Mine is set to Game Mode (4:4:4 chroma compliant, 1:1 pixel ratio, allows you to set what color space each input is using, etc...) and it's a dream to use.

 

[GoodlifeX]

Thanks for the advice! Yeah I think I'm gonna bite on this one. Now I'm trying to conclude the endless debate in my head on whether I shpuld spend the extra money on a 60 inch or stick with a 50 inch.

 

[ss_lemonade]

Oh man, I just found out that my BB display model w900a has a stuck bluish pixel at the top left. I've had this since the start of the year and never noticed it before because it was near the top left corner (only noticed it now with my PS4 because of those blue dots glitch that show up with certain themes). Is there any hope of fixing that with those color strobing things you run on monitors? Do those even work?

 

[Handal]

Thanks for the advice! Yeah I think I'm gonna bite on this one. Now I'm trying to conclude the endless debate in my head on whether I shpuld spend the extra money on a 60 inch or stick with a 50 inch.

Always go for the bigger screen if you can, else you'll regret it !

I got the 50" W790B, and I'm still mad at me for not going after the 55".

Great TV for gaming, nice colors, low input lag. I highly recommend it.

 

[Bad_Boy]

anyone know what format samsung smart tv's require hard drives to be at to read from them?

I'm coming home to my hu8550 in 2 weeks and would like to know if I should format my hdd to fat32 or ntfs

 

[The Antitype]

Plasma fans:

Can anybody explain to me the difference between image retention and burn in?

I get the impression burn-in is the more serious irreversible of the two, but do they actually appear different on the TV? My vague, amateur understanding was that IR tended to appear 'lighter' almost a white, ghosting image of previous images, while burn in is darker than the image around it.

Thanks

 

[kharma45]

Plasma fans:

Can anybody explain to me the difference between image retention and burn in?

I get the impression burn-in is the more serious irreversible of the two, but do they actually appear different on the TV? My vague, amateur understanding was that IR tended to appear 'lighter' almost a white, ghosting image of previous images, while burn in is darker than the image around it.

Thanks

Burn is permanent, retention is not.

 

[kutthoat5150]

Plasma fans:

Can anybody explain to me the difference between image retention and burn in?

I get the impression burn-in is the more serious irreversible of the two, but do they actually appear different on the TV? My vague, amateur understanding was that IR tended to appear 'lighter' almost a white, ghosting image of previous images, while burn in is darker than the image around it.

Thanks

From what I understand burn-in looks exactly the same as IR but just stays there forever though it may appear darker on the screen. I've only had slight IR on my ST50 and it was a dark grey color that went away after a couple hours.

I used to worry about it all the time but now rarely see it even when playing games for a few hours at a time because I'll usually switch to watching full screen content. The bigger problem that plasmas give me is turning my room into a damn sauna from being on for so long. Those fuckers can definitely generate some serious heat.

 

[Eiji]

True screen burn can also be seen with the TV switched off.

 

[Fjordson]

Could anyone point me to a nice 1080p LED set in the 40-50 inch range? Looking for something in that range to fit in my office for blu-rays and PS4 games. Don't need anything else like 3D or smart apps or whatever.

 

[iMax]

True screen burn can also be seen with the TV switched off.

Not to sound stupid... but how can one see anything whilst the TV is switched off? Surely it's far too dark to see anything?

 

[Megauap]

I'm about to buy a Sony KDL42W705B for 480€. Is it a good choice for gaming (mainly with a PS4)? Do you recommend any other TVs for around that price?

Thanks people

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

So my KDL50W700B set just arrived and while digging up some info on the calibrations I found out that Sony gives you a free 20 dollar PSN Voucher if you find the Playstation now app on the TV and follow these steps. It should work with all Sony Bravia TVs with the Playstation now App.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

I like my 55"700B as well. Black uniformity is fairly bad while in a dark room, can definitely see some of the edge lit, but the 800B and 850B have the exact same thing. It's also a tad exaggerated on my TV because it's been ISF calibrated and they turn off the light sensor dimming and some contrast enhancements. But the trade-off for picture is well worth it, TV has a great natural picture.

Customers got a pretty good deal on the 700B + Sony soundbar at best buy, both were at the lowest prices I've ever seen.

Care to share your gaming ISF Calibrations with a fellow gafer =)

 

[X-Factor]

4K tvs do not have other display modes for lower resolutions. Avoid them for now since it will re-scale images from lower resolution to forced higher res.

 

[Crazymoogle]

So my KDL50W700B set just arrived and while digging up some info on the calibrations I found out that Sony gives you a free 20 dollar PSN Voucher if you find the Playstation now app on the TV and follow these steps. It should work with all Sony Bravia TVs with the Playstation now App.

I'm guessing this may be region locked, as my Canadian KDL55790B does not have the app listed nor the place in the "Featured" list...:/

 

[Crownjo]

Based Vizio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHjsKHKKnw0

 

[Fjordson]

Sheesh, buying a TV is sort of maddening as someone who hasn't bought a new one in years. Every time I think I find a set that looks good I glance at reviews that say it isn't good for one reason or another. Every TV sucks apprently.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

Sheesh, buying a TV is sort of maddening as someone who hasn't bought a new one in years. Every time I think I find a set that looks good I glance at reviews that say it isn't good for one reason or another. Every TV sucks apprently.

I know what you mean, I actively searched for a new TV for almost 2 years because some negative feedback kept me back from purchasing tvs I was initially interested in. I then decided to try to get the best bang for my buck and take the negative lumps as long as the positives outweighed the negatives and I am now happy with my choice. I had a 5 year old enrty level tv so it was time for a new one.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Sheesh, buying a TV is sort of maddening as someone who hasn't bought a new one in years. Every time I think I find a set that looks good I glance at reviews that say it isn't good for one reason or another. Every TV sucks apprently.

For most people, the TV is the single most important piece of consumer electronics they will own. Naturally the big glowing rectangle you stare at for hours every day will be scrutinized much more than any other thing you buy to put in your house. Reviewers of TVs tend to be harsh, especially when the TV doesn't measure up in the dozens of well understood quantitative measurements you can make of a TV's performance in displaying the picture.

The TV market exists on razor thin commodity margins and is dominated by a few large manufacturers. The average price of a set has been falling for years, and the typical buyer of the most important piece of consumer electronics they own will go to Walmart and buy the cheapest piece of shit they can find. The price sensitivity is amazing on something that people keep for 5+ years on average.

So in a world where you have to make it as cheaply as possible and sell it to people who can barely understand how to tune to the HD version of the channel instead of the SD version on the cable box, it's not hard to understand why corners need to be cut. Even on the top shelf sets, because you can't sell a TV for thousands of dollars no matter how amazing it is.

This is why in some, way, shape, or form, all TVs suck. The perfect TV does not exist, and the market forces at play will ensure that it never will. Ultimately you must decide which compromises you are willing to live with, and buy the TV that doesn't make the compromises you cannot live with.

 

[wilflare]

does anyone own the Samsung HU9000 screens?
thinking whether a 4K panel is worth it now

 

[Lucreto]

I have a Sony KDL-50W829B but the sound doesn't seem the best. I am playing Unity and the voices sound tinny but the background noise is fine.

It happens with TV programmes as well. An example if I am watch Pawn Stars the sound is fine for the negotiation part but the backroom interview on the item sounds tinny.

Does anyone know what is wrong and more importantly what do I adjust to balance it.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

does anyone here with a Sony Bravia game with impulse mode on? I tried to use it but it makes the screen too dark.

 

[Crownjo]

does anyone own the Samsung HU9000 screens?
thinking whether a 4K panel is worth it now

Wait till CES shows off the 2015 sets.

 

[wilflare]

Wait till CES shows off the 2015 sets.

when is CES? cause there's a nice promotion going on where I'm at.
discount on the 65HU9000 + free $200 vouchers + free Samsung HW-7501 Soundbar

 

[hitgirl]

Care to share your gaming ISF Calibrations with a fellow gafer =)

Yup. I'll shoot you over a PM in a bit.

 

[Weevilone]

4K tvs do not have other display modes for lower resolutions. Avoid them for now since it will re-scale images from lower resolution to forced higher res.

This doesn't make sense. What do you want, a postage stamp view with black borders all the way around?

All fixed pixel devices will have to scale images to the panel's native resolution. From my experience with the Sony 4k displays, they scale quite effectively.

 

[Weevilone]

Plasma fans:

Can anybody explain to me the difference between image retention and burn in?

I get the impression burn-in is the more serious irreversible of the two, but do they actually appear different on the TV? My vague, amateur understanding was that IR tended to appear 'lighter' almost a white, ghosting image of previous images, while burn in is darker than the image around it.

Thanks

Burn is simply uneven wear, where sections of the screen are aged unevenly and produce less light than areas that are not affected. All light emitting technologies will produce less and less light over time, so it is the result of this process occurring unevenly.

IR is generally the result of plasma cells that retain a residual electrical charge, causing those pixels to continue to emit more light than other pixels for a period of time.

 

[Ushay]

I just plunged on an LG 55LB730V, was on a great sale on Boxing day .. anyone have any thoughts on this set?

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

Yup. I'll shoot you over a PM in a bit.

appreciate you =)

 

[wilflare]

gah. oh well
went with the 65HU9000, should be here in a week's time.
- got 4x Active 3D glasses free (+2 that comes with the TV for a total of 6)
- free Curved Soundbar HW-H7501
- free S$200 shopping voucher (US$147)

all for S$5999 (US$4411)
- got the extended warranty for Year 4 and 5 as well (lol still not sure if this was a wise decision)

hope I won't regret - was using the 65H8000 but didn't win the contest so won't be keeping it. the family got so attracted to the TV lol..

(we were previously using a 7year old Hitachi Plasma)

 

[Fjordson]

This is why in some, way, shape, or form, all TVs suck. The perfect TV does not exist, and the market forces at play will ensure that it never will. Ultimately you must decide which compromises you are willing to live with, and buy the TV that doesn't make the compromises you cannot live with.

Yeah, you're probably right. I just need to the bite the bullet and get one. I just always agonize over big purchases like this.

And I was expecting this to be way simpler. I mean a 120hz LED TV under 50 inches that looks good. That's all I want.

 

[Dead]

LG OLED models for 2015 have apparently leaked according to AVSforums

There will be flat versions

If they can get a flat 55" OLED with improved processor and better motion compared to the current model, and bump it to 4K...and sell it for less than $5000...Im down. 65" will surely be too expensive

 

[BeEatNU]

Just bought the Samsung 75" UN75H7150AFXZA
It's pretty damn awesome. I'm trying to activate PC mode but game mode is working pretty well for my ps4

I have to say this TVi sore try legit.

On inputlagdb it states as 36ms

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

I'm guessing this may be region locked, as my Canadian KDL55790B does not have the app listed nor the place in the "Featured" list...:/

My PS Now app wasn't on my featured app list neither I had to find it from using the search bar in the home section.

 

[lostsupper]

does anyone here with a Sony Bravia game with impulse mode on? I tried to use it but it makes the screen too dark.

Turn up the backlight when you use impulse.

 

[Darkangel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't 720p and 1080p content look great on a 4K TV since 3840 x 2160 is exactly 9x 720p and 4x 1080p?

 

[somuchwater]

Thanks for the advice! Yeah I think I'm gonna bite on this one. Now I'm trying to conclude the endless debate in my head on whether I shpuld spend the extra money on a 60 inch or stick with a 50 inch.

I have a 60" set, and I find it perfect for movies but too big for gaming. Just my two cents.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

Turn up the backlight when you use impulse.

I tried but even with backlight maxed it looks like im wearing sun glasses, the screen is so tinted lol. I don't know if I care about not having a little motion blur enough to trade in the picture quality of my screen. I read that it flickers too like oldschool CRT's so I think im going to pass on it.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't 720p and 1080p content look great on a 4K TV since 3840 x 2160 is exactly 9x 720p and 4x 1080p?

l don't know... look at all the extra upscaling it has to do though.

 

[Masterbrew]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't 720p and 1080p content look great on a 4K TV since 3840 x 2160 is exactly 9x 720p and 4x 1080p?

Yes it would. It is more accurate to say 2160p = 3x720p, and 2160p = 2x1080p.

The multiplication has to be an integer in each direction for the scaling to be easy and perfect.

l don't know... look at all the extra upscaling it has to do though.

Integer upscaling is the easiest kind there is. It shouldn't introduce any lag.

Look at this example - the two squares illustrate x2 upscaling in each direction:

The original signal is 4 pixels in a 4 pixel grid. It is trivial for the TV to perfectly reproduce the 4 pixels inside an 16 pixel grid.

 

[hitgirl]

So my KDL50W700B set just arrived and while digging up some info on the calibrations I found out that Sony gives you a free 20 dollar PSN Voucher if you find the Playstation now app on the TV and follow these steps. It should work with all Sony Bravia TVs with the Playstation now App.

Darn they must have just removed this. Don't see it under my featured.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't 720p and 1080p content look great on a 4K TV since 3840 x 2160 is exactly 9x 720p and 4x 1080p?

In theory, yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if some TVs are still dogshit at it.

 

[Sanctuary]

True screen burn can also be seen with the TV switched off.

I've never heard of this, and do have burn in (unless three year IR is an actual thing) on my Panasonic. You can't tell anything is wrong with the set off.

Wish I had known when I bought mine how much babysitting some plasmas might require so I could have done things differently. Some of the newer sets have better screen washing options too than others. Mine just has a generic white scrolling bar that kind of helps, but watching full screen content helps more.

My plasma at least just isn't good for unbroken, marathon playing of anything with static images such as a large HUD. I ended up with UMvC3 health bars stuck on the top of my screen for over five months from a single four hour session in training mode. They finally went away, but I've had SF4 super/ultra meters stuck at the bottom of my screen since forever. You can't really notice them unless you are about two feet or less away from the screen and it's trying to display black, or just a really dark scene or when something like the PS3 is first hitting the dashboard, where it's extremely apparent due to how the pixles of the meters seem to lag behind the rest of the screen when first warming up. Now I just play fighting games, or HUD heavy games on my monitor. My monitor is better for fighting games anyway though at 12ms, while my plasma is at 20ms.

I don't regret buying this set though. For the price I paid, there's still not an LCD anywhere close that can match it for picture quality, and out of the box with THX mode it has some of the best non-professionally calibrated colors. It should last me another five years at least, where hopefully 46'' - 50'' flat OLED panels are actually being produced, are reasonably priced, last longer than a few years and also have low input lag. Don't really care about 4k either right now. OLED by default still looks more natural. The 4k OLED are about ten years away at least for affordability. Most midrange gaming PCs and none of the consoles will be doing 60fps higher than 1440p before then anyway.

*1440 on Ultra or whatever settings, before someone chimes in with how "most midrange" PCs can already do this.

 

[The Demon Headmaster]

Looking for a new tv for PS4, saw some seemingly good deals in some stores for some sets



Panasonic TX-50AS520

Panasonic TX-50A500B


Could any give some recommendations for these?

 

[EYEL1NER]

Wish I had known when I bought mine how much babysitting some plasmas might require so I could have done things differently. Some of the newer sets have better screen washing options too than others. Mine just has a generic white scrolling bar that kind of helps, but watching full screen content helps more.

Not trying to say your experiences with Street Fighter life bars are a lie or anything, just sharing my experiences. My 2010 low-end model Panny had no break-in slides ran (I jumped right into gaming and watching letter boxed movies right away) and gaming was more often than not done on the Vivid/torch mode. I would play MvC3 for hours straight or play an FPS with a persistent HUD like Call of Duty all day long (I remember a 24-hr Modern Warfare 3 session with my buddy where we only stopped playing at the 20-hr mark or so to go get food and watched an episode of The Pacific while eating before jumping back in). My TV may be broken now due to a lightning strike but if I were to hook it up and get some kind of image or color displayed, there would be no burn in or IR visible. Sure, there was always IR after those long gaming sessions but running the scrolling white bar for 5 to 10 minutes cleared it up every single time.

So like I said, not calling you out. Just agreeing with what you said about it being crazy how different plasmas can act.

 

[Ocelott]

I am trying to get a new TV next month to act as my Gaming TV 50-55'' range. Is Sony the go to with the low latency?

 

[Sanctuary]

So like I said, not calling you out. Just agreeing with what you said about it being crazy how different plasmas can act.

http://www.cnet.com/products/panasonic-viera-tc-p42g10/

The irony is, almost all of the reviews on Amazon talk about how burn-in "practically" no longer exists, especially with this set. I've had nothing but issues with it since I purchased it, but I used to play SF4 on it almost every single day for 2-4 hours a day. Other games, like Demon's Souls had IR from the hud for about a month since I had played that a total of sixty hours before taking a break from it, but it finally went away. SF4 has however remained, and I've not played it on this TV since the end of 2012.

 

[demosthenes]

Need advice for my dad.

He wants a new TV and wants the best possible TV he can get in the 2k-2.5k range at 65".

I've done a little on this and have narrowed it down to 4 sets.

2 1080p:
Sam UN65F8000 2013 model $2,300
Sam UN65H7150 2014 model (apparently missing some things from the last year model b/c they were moved to the higher end sets (4k/curved/etc) $1,800

2 4k:
Sony XBR65X850B $2,600
Sam UN65HU8550 $2,500

Anyone have any advice?

I have no experience with 4k. He will watch sports, blu ray movies/tv shows and use netflix. I don't really think he will need 4k. (This is probably the last TV he will ever buy).

Can anyone comment on this :x?

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

Darn they must have just removed this. Don't see it under my featured.

PS Now wasn't under my featured list neither I had to find it threw the search on the home screen. I found it while scrolling threw all the apps too.