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True, but that doesnt have to be related to trolling though.
Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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Night Angel
Member
No, you're being labeled as such because you are in here making excuses for a company that is fucking its consumers.
There is no excuse or defense for this shit. And yet, I am biting the bullet and putting up with it because I'm weak. No one has called me an apologist.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Correct. Buying the N3DS and then buying a charger doesn't make you a corporate apologist. Saying that it isn't that big of a deal, telling people they are overreacting, saying it isn't a black/white issue makes you a corporate apologist. This isn't a complex issue. Nintendo has zero excuse, adding in an AC Adapter that costs them sub $1 on a $200 electronic device isn't that difficult. Defending a corporation that is doing something that is anti-consumer makes you a corporate apologist.
When you start having calls for government intervention, you leave the zone of "reasonable criticism" and go full blown into "is he really serious/concern trolling" territory.
No one likes the fact that there's no AC adapter included, but some of the responses liken this to an affront of a religion, and that's just a tad bit overboard.
Then we get gems like this:
I mean, I get that you're upset, but really? No one thinks this is really a good idea, but some of us just kinda shrug. Yeah maybe we should be more upset, but that doesn't make us mindless drones of consumerism. It's these reactions that I personally take pause and speak up to criticize.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, i dont see the need for exaggerations like that. I think its important to see what the case is really about and have a perspective out from that (we're talking about a charging cable here). Its also fully possible to say that this is such a small thing in the big scheme of things without having anything to do with being a corporate apologists.
Pathfinder
Member
Apparently, it's not.
I told my wife about this. She knew I was excited for the new 3ds (I set aside a chunk of my Christmas bonus for it).
Her response?
"There's no way to charge it out of the box? Well...that's stupid. Why would they do something like that?"
Just to give the perspective of an outsider.
Her response?
"There's no way to charge it out of the box? Well...that's stupid. Why would they do something like that?"
Just to give the perspective of an outsider.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
I know we are talking about an integral part, saying it's just a charging cable is kinda of funny. You are buying an electronic device that cannot be used with the items in the box. Yet, we have people acting like meh, whatever.
By all means, defend an anti-consumer action.
RoninChaos
Member
Seriously. It isn't too bad on here, but some of the comments I've seen on other sites reminds me of people in abusive relationships. "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, HE BEATS ME BECAUSE HE LOVES ME". It's crazy.
My big issue with it is besides the fact that it's stupid, is I wish there was transparency here. Nintendo, just say it's saving you money. Be transparent about it. I'd bet the retailers giving shelf space for this are happy too because it ups their attachment rate and it's probably a high mark up item. But just be honest about why you're doing it.
Also, I think it speaks to the fact that Nintendo probably doesn't expect to get new customers with this device. It seems like they're positioning it to be an upgrade for people who have the 3ds currently.
TheSlySoul
Member
I told the story to all my non-gamer colleagues. I do not think a single one thought it was a good idea. People have become accustomed to things, and charger included is one.
We're seriously comparing the lack of an AC adapter to domestic abuse?
Alright I'm out.
canedaddy
Member
I'm kind of amazed that the people who think this is no big deal are so committed to filling this thread with Nintendo defense posts. What's the motivation? Obviously the people on the other side are going to be active in a thread like this because of their outrage... they're pissed at a company that's trying to sell a product that won't work out of the box. But I don't get how anyone would be energized to defend such a company.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Nah, they are doing it for environmental reasons. Nod.
test_account
XP-39C²
I was responding to the post above mine, where there was a quote where someone made this sounds like a really big and serious issue.
We're seriously comparing the lack of an AC adapter to domestic abuse?
Alright I'm out.
No, he's comparing how you apologists defend Nintendo to domestic abuse where the battered housewife defends her abuser.
Yup. it is just pure greed.
People constantly pointing out how cheap the AC adapters are on Amazon just makes Nintendo's excuse for not including it that much worse.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
It is a serious issue. It isn't WW3 or anything, but it is a big issue.
Pathfinder
Member
Because that's exactly the same thing.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think this will be the most common respond. I think the same thing, sounds like a weird and silly thing when a charger isnt included in the package. Its whats being done about it that matters the most, in my opinion, after the intial reaction and the opinion about it has been spoken.
In the big scheme of things, not at all, at least in my opinion. It sounds like a silly decision to not include a charger, no arguements from me against that. But i have bigger problem in my life (unfortunately) than having to shell out some extra for a charger. I'm basically saying my opinion about it, that i think the decision to not include a charger is silly, but then i try to find a solution to how to solve it the best way for me. I dont think this issue is big enough to waste a lot of energy on.
Wickerbasket
Member
Can we stop with the bad analogies? They're popping up all over the place lately and they don't help discussion at all, mostly because they're all awful.
It would be much better to just discuss the product at hand and explain why you feel it's unreasonable/reasonable.
It would be much better to just discuss the product at hand and explain why you feel it's unreasonable/reasonable.
there's really no excuse. People I know (apologists, I guess you'd call them) are needling me for not keeping the charger from my stolen 3DS (I gave it to someone who needed it, figuring I had no use of it..) and saying it's my fault I now need to buy one, and that Nintendo is in the right.
If you buy a device that needs ac power, it should come with something to get that ac power. especially if the adapter it needs is something proprietary like Nintendo's. I can't understand how anyone can defend them selling a device that needs to be plugged in and not including the means to plug it in. It's baffling.
If you buy a device that needs ac power, it should come with something to get that ac power. especially if the adapter it needs is something proprietary like Nintendo's. I can't understand how anyone can defend them selling a device that needs to be plugged in and not including the means to plug it in. It's baffling.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Of course it isn't, but I think it is better to avoid the hyperbolic comments in general. Domestic violence, it's WW3, etc.
Understandable, by all means buy the N3DS and buy a charger. It works for you, that is fine. It doesn't make you a corporate apologist, but we do have those here that are legitimately defending the practice.
TheSlySoul
Member
Good that the game news is spreading: http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/14/7547465/new-nintendo-3ds-xl-charger-ac-adapter-warranty
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
A reply from the comments section regarding someone claiming this isn't a good move.
I can't even... now we are being the bad guys because we want free stuff? Namely the AC adapter? Ok, I said last post would be my last but it's hard not to come back to this thread :/
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, i dont see why there is much need to defend the practice in itself.
Generally speaking, i wish that electronic devices would have on standard charger for everything. I think that could be benefitial for the enviorment (as it would reduce the need to produce more chargers). Cellphones used to be bad at this, but now everything uses micro-usb (or lightning for iPhone).
charge_by_tha_lb
Neo Member
no charger? no sale.....
It's about the principles
It's about the principles
Speaking of lightning for iPhone, this is essentially the same as Apple not shipping a lightning cable with the iPhone. I wonder how many people defending this practice would suddenly have a problem with it if it were Apple.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
You know I agree to an extent. The biggest problem is some chargers charge my devices faster. My Amazon Kindle charger charges my cell phone 4x faster than the charger that came with the phone.
You may want to look into the draw of your charger... and the battery, and see how those ratings compare. It may well be charging it faster but if it starts singing a loud tune, you'll probably not be very happy.
canedaddy
Member
Thanks for posting that... nice article. Hopefully someone at Nintendo will wake up and see how disgusting this is, and they'll figure out a way to get the cable in there before Feb. 13.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Been doing it for about a year now, haven't ran into any issue so far. Others have told me the same, thanks though.
Wait, was this also a big deal for PS3? Sony was too cheap to include a simple HDMI cable with their $599 console.
I guess that HDMI cable would have pushed it over $600.
I think that will be the response from every outsider who hears about it. Even Apple doesn't do this shit, and theyre maybe the one company that could get away with it.
The difference is the PS3 would still be functional without HDMI. n3DS is just a paper weight without an AC adapter.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Have you used a 3DS? Closer to about 3 hours
canedaddy
Member
This point has been made dozens of times in this thread, and answered just as many times: The PS3 still came with composite cables so you could use the thing.
So weird seeing all this outrage as a European. Seems like such a none issue nowadays here. As long as it's clear there isn't one in the box (it is) and as long as shop assistant/websites sell essential items at pos (they should do in any half decent electronics store), then this really shouldn't be an issue for the vast majority of people. Everyone thought it would be a huge issue the the UK, it wasn't.
Net result is it's slightly cheaper, and those who have a charger aren't paying for what they don't need. If you need to buy one separately, you would have been paying that cost if it was included in the box anyway so no harm.
Net result is it's slightly cheaper, and those who have a charger aren't paying for what they don't need. If you need to buy one separately, you would have been paying that cost if it was included in the box anyway so no harm.
Plus all the publicity it's getting will probably help inform potential buyers quite nicely 
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Net result is the price is the exact same, they aren't cutting you a slight discount. The price would have been the exact same if the charger was included. You really think they were going to break the $199 price point for a $1-2 charger?
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
So weird seeing all this outrage as a European. Seems like such a none issue nowadays here. As long as it's clear there isn't one in the box (it is) and as long as shop assistant/websites sell essential items at pos (they should do in any half decent electronics store), then this really shouldn't be an issue for the vast majority of people. Everyone thought it would be a huge issue the the UK, it wasn't.
Net result is it's slightly cheaper, and those who have a charger aren't paying for what they don't need. If you need to buy one separately, you would have been paying that cost if it was included in the box anyway so no harm.
Plus all the publicity it's getting will probably help inform potential buyers quite nicely
Europeans tend to have what I feel is a better sense of consumer rights than Americans. This is being viewed as a ripoff when all Nintendo is doing is providing choice. Choice is always a good thing when it comes to consumer friendliness. Why it's being spun the other way? no idea.
TheSlySoul
Member
I remember the ice thing when I went studied abroad in London for a year.
Good times...
Also IMO but I think the warning label could be bigger in the package.
That is why I suggested a promotion that new 3DS owners can get a free adapter.
That is actual choice.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
They are providing choice. Hahaha, oh wait your serious, let me laugh harder.gif
Yep, I suggested the same thing.
I agree. The New 3DS should be between $150 to $170 by now at the very least, as it'll be officially 4 years old on the 26th of February (that's the date in which the 3DS was first released in Japan).
Backlogger
Member
So if I never owned a Nintendo handheld before I would have to buy a charger separately? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this.