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[Dsyndrome]

Are you REALLY unable to wrap your head around such a simple concept? Nintendo knows a lot of people buying the N3DS already have an adapter so they don't want to force them to buy something they will never use.

Most people complaining about this obviously have chosen to ignore the 3DS for the past four years, and I'm betting a lot of them had no intent of ever buying a N3DS in the first place. It's disingenuous.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that so many people are complaining about the fact that millions of people are going to save money by virtue of the fact that they won't be required to purchase an item that they don't need.

There is no consumer benefit to this; the price would be the same for the consumer, adapter or no. Only people that benefit are Nintendo and the retailers selling the new AC adapters. Savings are NOT passed on to the consumer.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

If sometime between now and release date, if Nintendo sees the error of their ways and offers buyers of the N3DS a coupon for a free AC adapter, would that make people feel better?

Considering that they are doing exactly that in Europe right now...

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You don't seem (or want to) understand Nintendo would not change the price from $199 if the charger was included. They would just make slightly less profit from each sale. You aren't saving anything, they are making more money.

What do you mean? Don't you see all those products all over store shelves that sell for $204.99?

 

[neshcom]

Was considering getting a 3DS, but shit like this keeps me thinking it's just not worth dealing with Nintendo's craziness. I don't even have my old DS charger, I'm afraid of the messy account situation, and I still don't trust they're going to make jumping to the N3DS a good value (a la the DSi).

 

[Petrae]

They lost a sale to me with this. I'll keep my 3DS XL that came with the adapter.

That's me, too. My "Old" 3DS XL be the last dedicated handheld that I'll have bought new. I'll replace it with a GBA SP when it dies.

 

[Maximo]

Since we're doing nothing but going around in circles, let's try branching out the conversation a bit to see if we latch upon something new.

If sometime between now and release date, if Nintendo sees the error of their ways and offers buyers of the N3DS a coupon for a free AC adapter, would that make people feel better?

Depends if they hire Ubisoft"s PR again for the apology statement or not

 

[KiefbladeMaster]

Since we're doing nothing but going around in circles, let's try branching out the conversation a bit to see if we latch upon something new.

If sometime between now and release date, if Nintendo sees the error of their ways and offers buyers of the N3DS a coupon for a free AC adapter, would that make people feel better?

I already opted to simply purchase an XL that has the charger included, but some would, sure.

 

[Jeff Vader]

Since we're doing nothing but going around in circles, let's try branching out the conversation a bit to see if we latch upon something new.

If sometime between now and release date, if Nintendo sees the error of their ways and offers buyers of the N3DS a coupon for a free AC adapter, would that make people feel better?

I wasn't too bothered since I planned on keeping my other XL but i would be the first in line to take advantage of it.

 

[Funyarinpa]

The lack of releasing the normal N3DS is something I can understand people being pissed off about. The AC Adapter thing seems like little more than a peeve. I guess with Europe having gotten the same treatment prior it doesn't seem like that new of a concept.

Many people will buy a N3DS and find to their surprise that they cannot use the device because they cannot charge it.

Being able to fully use a device with solely what comes with the device itself is a rightful expectation IMO, rather than a "peeve".

 

[CosmicQueso]

If sometime between now and release date, if Nintendo sees the error of their ways and offers buyers of the N3DS a coupon for a free AC adapter, would that make people feel better?

Definitely. Then the choice thing becomes a valid point.

Agreed.

 

[Derpyduck]

Thanks for posting that... nice article. Hopefully someone at Nintendo will wake up and see how disgusting this is, and they'll figure out a way to get the cable in there before Feb. 13.

That's the thing, someone at NOA did know how disgusting this is when they didn't allow Nintendo to sell the original 3DS XL in America without a charging cable. Apparently that person is either gone from Nintendo now or they lost the argument this time.

On the bright side, this cuts down on wasteful manufacturing, transport, and packaging of chargers that many people do not need.

So does using a standardized connector and not a proprietary one. Nintendo doesn't give a shit about being wasteful as has been pointed out several times in the thread. Their environmental rating is as low as it gets.

 

[canedaddy]

Since we're doing nothing but going around in circles, let's try branching out the conversation a bit to see if we latch upon something new.

If sometime between now and release date, if Nintendo sees the error of their ways and offers buyers of the N3DS a coupon for a free AC adapter, would that make people feel better?

It would give me a reason to once again consider buying a 3DS, but like the prelaunch issues with Xbox One, it would leave a bad taste and I'd still have doubts about what the company thinks of its (nonfanatical) customers.

 

[Pocky4Th3Win]

So Nintendo is not expecting to sell any to new customers only existing?

I was thinking about getting the new 3DS since I did not own a Nintendo handheld for a long time and there has been games that interested me but not now since I would have to pay a premium as a new customer.

This mentality by Nintendo is stupid. People would be pissed if Sony decided not to include an ac cable for the PS4 since its similar to past Sony consoles...

 

[SeanR1221]

Are you REALLY unable to wrap your head around such a simple concept? Nintendo knows a lot of people buying the N3DS already have an adapter so they don't want to force them to buy something they will never use.

Most people complaining about this obviously have chosen to ignore the 3DS for the past four years, and I'm betting a lot of them had no intent of ever buying a N3DS in the first place. It's disingenuous.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that so many people are complaining about the fact that millions of people are going to save money by virtue of the fact that they won't be required to purchase an item that they don't need.

Im going to assume this is parody. But if it's not, here's my current 3ds collection. All digital. That's a lot of money spent.



It's missing star fox which and Pokemon AS I bought a couple weeks ago

 

[TheSlySoul]

That's the thing, someone at NOA did know how disgusting this is when they didn't allow Nintendo to sell the original 3DS XL in America without a charging cable. Apparently that person is either gone from Nintendo now or they lost the argument this time.

Didn't Iwata become CEO of Nintendo of America in 2014?
... Now it makes perfect sense. I am pretty sure he has been pushing it.

 

[Zoolader]

Many people will buy a N3DS and find to their surprise that they cannot use the device because they cannot charge it.

Being able to fully use a device with solely what comes with the device itself is a rightful expectation IMO, rather than a "peeve".

There are going to be so many moms bringing this back to the store saying it's been opened before and it's missing the charger. The backlash once it's released should be popcorn worthy.

 

[Keyouta]

Are you REALLY unable to wrap your head around such a simple concept? Nintendo knows a lot of people buying the N3DS already have an adapter so they don't want to force them to buy something they will never use.

Most people complaining about this obviously have chosen to ignore the 3DS for the past four years, and I'm betting a lot of them had no intent of ever buying a N3DS in the first place. It's disingenuous.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that so many people are complaining about the fact that millions of people are going to save money by virtue of the fact that they won't be required to purchase an item that they don't need.

Customers aren't saving any money by not including a charger, you're being made to spend more if you don't already have one. The price would be $200 whether or not the charger was in it, they wouldn't push it to 205 or 210. The one saving money here is Nintendo.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Customers aren't saving any money by not including a charger, you're being made to spend more if you don't already have one. The price would be $200 whether or not the charger was in it, they wouldn't push it to 205 or 210. The one saving money here is Nintendo.

In before oh yah, proof?

New Iphone comes out, no earbud/charger. Guys its a choice, we are saving you money and helping the environment. No worry if this is your first Iphone you can buy those separately.

 

[RoninChaos]

Are you REALLY unable to wrap your head around such a simple concept? Nintendo knows a lot of people buying the N3DS already have an adapter so they don't want to force them to buy something they will never use.

Most people complaining about this obviously have chosen to ignore the 3DS for the past four years, and I'm betting a lot of them had no intent of ever buying a N3DS in the first place. It's disingenuous.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that so many people are complaining about the fact that millions of people are going to save money by virtue of the fact that they won't be required to purchase an item that they don't need.

How does Nintendo NOT giving people a charger mean that people are saving money? It should probably read "Nintendo is going to save money", not people.

 

[Listonosh]

It's just weird to me that the N3DS still ended up being such a standard price of 200 for the system, when that was the expected price with everything included. Like if it was $180 and that was their excuse, I'd understand, but the flat 200 without a charger seems like BS to me.

 

[RMI]

So does using a standardized connector and not a proprietary one. Nintendo doesn't give a shit about being wasteful as has been pointed out several times in the thread. Their environmental rating is as low as it gets.

whether or not they give a shit about it is kind of beside the point, it's at least something. You're right though, a standardized connector would be miles fucking better than what they're doing now. People would still bitch if they didn't put one in the box, but it would definitely be more convenient than having to lug around another charger.

 

[Listonosh]

On the bright side, this cuts down on wasteful manufacturing, transport, and packaging of chargers that many people do not need.

I don't really agree with this thought. You're telling me that even if someone buys a N3DS and already has an existing one, and doesn't plan to get rid of it, wouldn't appreciate having the extra charger to charge both at once? Taking into account stuff like having children that maybe want to play both devices at once and need them both to be plugged in?

I think that blanket statement of many people not needing the extra charger is false

 

[RoninChaos]

Also, clinging to the idea that this is okay because the "target" market for this is previous 3ds owners is horse shit. Nintendo's target market is anyone who doesn't own a 3ds. This is nickel and diming, plain and simple.

 

[RMI]

I think that blanket statement of many people not needing the extra charger is false

you're right; i should have said at that some people don't need it. It's probably a minority.

 

[nintendork666]

Nintendo is hungry for extra profits. I'd be peeved, had I not already owned my current XL with charger for years now.

 

[Zoolader]

Also, clinging to the idea that this is okay because the "target" market for this is previous 3ds owners is horse shit. Nintendo's target market is anyone who doesn't own a 3ds. This is nickel and diming, plain and simple.

Even if some are previous 3ds owners, how many of those actually kept their old system and charger rather than sell or trade it in for the new 3ds? I've bought and sold a 3ds and 3dsxl so I'd be a previous owner, but I didn't cling onto the charger just to throw it into my plastic bag of useless old plugs.

 

[Damian.]

This point has been made dozens of times in this thread, and answered just as many times: The PS3 still came with component cables so you could use the thing.

Composite cables,

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Composite cables,

Doesn't really change anything, you could still use the device without needing to purchase something else.

 

[tengiants]

In before oh yah, proof?

New Iphone comes out, no earbud/charger, but a sweet 3d screen, faster cpu, more memory, and high probability you have a charger already. Guys its a choice, we are saving you money and helping the environment. No worry if this is your first Iphone you can buy those separately.

FTFY. Really doesn't seem too bad with the new screen and hardware upgrades compared to what you're getting with the price of the old XL.

 

[KiefbladeMaster]

FTFY. Really doesn't seem too bad with the new screen and hardware upgrades compared to what you're getting with the price of the old XL.

May be a new screen, still 240p and the other components are still all old as hell. There's no way they're not making a hefty profit off these.

And lets cut it out with the environment thing. The cables are still being produced, only shipped and sold separately. If anything, it's worse.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

FTFY. Really doesn't seem too bad with the new screen and hardware upgrades compared to what you're getting with the price of the old XL.

If you think removing those earbuds/charger are going to decrease the cost of the Iphone then you are delusional. Same is true of removing the AC adapter from the 3DS.

 

[YourMaster]

Many people will buy a N3DS and find to their surprise that they cannot use the device because they cannot charge it.

Being able to fully use a device with solely what comes with the device itself is a rightful expectation IMO, rather than a "peeve".

I'm not defending the move at all, but I don't think this would happen that much.
You don't have to be a genius salesman to recognize the up-sale potential on this. If you work in a gamestore and let a customer walk out without a charger when he needs one you deserve to be fired.

 

[TheSlySoul]

I'm not defending the move at all, but I don't think this would happen that much.
You don't have to be a genius salesman to recognize the up-sale potential on this. If you work in a gamestore and let a customer walk out without a charger when he needs one you deserve to be fired.

I agree this is a given at Gamestop, but there is a pretty good chance the Target or Walmart employee will be clueless as hell about what the new 3DS is.

 

[YourMaster]

I agree this is a given at Gamestop, but there is a pretty good chance the Target or Walmart employee will be clueless as hell about what the new 3DS is.

Fair point, I'm no American, never been to Target and the only employee I ever spoke with in a Walmart I could not understand as I don't speak Spanish, but I can understand that in a Supermarket you'll have less sales people doing upsales.

 

[WrenchNinja]

This is part of the reason why it will die out. Much of it is concern trolling, it likely doesn't actually affect very many posters, they have the adapter, they're just playing the part of someone who might not. The ones who it does effect, wrongly or not, will be out a small bit of money that they might complain about then but then largely forget about because overall it was the principal of the matter, not really the effort/money cost and such feelings are generally in the moment and have little lasting effect. Regardless of how people feel about it this doesn't strike me as something that will matter a whole lot in the long run (especially given other regions). Maybe NOA will do what NCL does and toss it into some of the marked-up bundles or just wait out the initial brouhaha. However I don't see this going so far as a program to get a free adapter/eShop refund with Club Nintendo registration or anything like that (I haven't seen this proposed as a solution by anyone yet, but it does strike me as a future something that could potentially solve the problem of mandatory adapters more gracefully).

Concern trolling? Really?

 

[defferoo]

while Nintendo messed up on this one, do yourselves a favor if you live near a Daiso.

pick up a 3DS/DSi USB cable for a few dollars. I leave my AC adapter at home and just carry this now, so I can use any USB charger with my 3DS.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Nintendo is hungry for extra profits. I'd be peeved, had I not already owned my current XL with charger for years now.

Yep. The lack of charger and no regular N3DS is the result of the pressure to increase profits by cutting the cost of the charger and the supply chain cost of the one sku.

 

[jello44]

I don't really agree with this thought. You're telling me that even if someone buys a N3DS and already has an existing one, and doesn't plan to get rid of it, wouldn't appreciate having the extra charger to charge both at once? Taking into account stuff like having children that maybe want to play both devices at once and need them both to be plugged in?

I think that blanket statement of many people not needing the extra charger is false

Also, you really can never have enough chargers. Shit happens all the time. You go on trips and leave them behind, they break because of pets/kids etc.

 

[Jazzy Network]

And if it's really about choice, put inside a voucher for a free charging adapter. Therefore people who need one can send it in and get one mailed to them for free. People who don't need it can disregard it. But oh wait, it isn't about choice or the consumer is it?

 

[Grinchy]

And if it's really about choice, put inside a voucher for a free charging adapter. Therefore people who need one can send it in and get one mailed to them for free. People who don't need it can disregard it. But oh wait, it isn't about choice or the consumer is it?

That would be nice, but I can just imagine a kid getting one of these for his birthday, playing it for a few hours, finding out he can't charge it after it dies, and then having to wait 2 weeks for a charger in the mail.

 

[Laconic]

What profit Nintendo if they gain, "Quality of Life", but lose their Wakizashi up to the hilt in their gut, in the process?

 

[Thoraxes]

And if it's really about choice, put inside a voucher for a free charging adapter. Therefore people who need one can send it in and get one mailed to them for free. People who don't need it can disregard it. But oh wait, it isn't about choice or the consumer is it?

I would take it then flip it for money.

 

[Hynad]

 

[tsumineko]

Nintendo were already selling the second analogue separately with the original 3DS. Fix your hilarious and not at all hyperbolic graphic.

 

[jimi_dini]

Doesn't really change anything, you could still use the device without needing to purchase something else.

Yeah no.

The damn thing was sold as an "HD HD HD HD" machine and as a Bluray player. Composite cables won't give you "HD HD HD HD". And why bother with Blurays, when you can only display 480i right out of the box. Not including an HDMI cable was simply shameless, especially at that $599 pricepoint.

 

[higgsboson1997]

Was considering getting a 3DS, but shit like this keeps me thinking it's just not worth dealing with Nintendo's craziness. I don't even have my old DS charger, I'm afraid of the messy account situation, and I still don't trust they're going to make jumping to the N3DS a good value (a la the DSi).

If you don't have any 3DS, then you should definitely get it. Things like this don't happen too often, and the games itself that you can play, along with the console, are fantastic.

 

[HardRojo]

Nintendo were already selling the second analogue separately with the original 3DS. Fix your hilarious and not at all hyperbolic graphic.

You're missing the point but that's OK, you've been missing the point the whole time. If we let one company do it, what's stopping others from following suit? This leaves a bad precedent, this is why people are raising their voices. I agree some people are exaggerating and being hyperbolic but I'm more baffled by those who don't understand what this is all about. And to be honest, his graphic might be far from reality if we just take everything companies do for granted.

And if it's really about choice, put inside a voucher for a free charging adapter. Therefore people who need one can send it in and get one mailed to them for free. People who don't need it can disregard it. But oh wait, it isn't about choice or the consumer is it?

This actually seems like a good idea, of course it needs some better implementation but it's a good start.

 

[jimi_dini]

And if it's really about choice, put inside a voucher for a free charging adapter. Therefore people who need one can send it in and get one mailed to them for free.

"free" as in PS+ "free" games?

If they'd do that, they would have to raise the price accordingly for everyone. Even more so, simply because they would have to send it without charging postage.

Those "free" things aren't really free. There is nothing like free postage. The postage is simply added to the price. The price of the HDMI cable is also added to the slim PS3 overall price. The price of the USB cable is also added to the Wii U Pro controller overall price.

You are also paying for silly console ads on TV etc. as well, when buying a console. You may not want them. You may not see them, but companies will still charge you for it unless they don't do ads on TV. That's what businesses do. Charge the customer for everything.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Still with the false equivalences.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Still with the false equivalences.

The best defence is a wildly irrational offence.

You are also paying for silly console ads on TV etc. as well, when buying a console. You may not want them. You may not see them, but companies will still charge you for it unless they don't do ads on TV. That's what businesses do. Charge the customer for everything.

Possibly one of the worst understandings of a company's incomings and outgoings I've seen on GAF.