Arrogant Bastard
Banned
You think someone calling you that is raging and trashing you? You are being a corporate apologist if you side with them over such a anti consumer policy.
Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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You think someone calling you that is raging and trashing you? You are being a corporate apologist if you side with them over such a anti consumer policy.
AdventureMike
Member
Just wanted to say, the $1.75 one has 3.99 shipping. Their cost still comes out to the roughly $5 everyone else is asking. It's just trying to be masked.
I'd agree it isn't an atrocity but it is worth discussing as it doesn't seem right to sell a product that is unusable out of the box.
TheSlySoul
Member
Yeah, a brief recap of the last few months...
November: Smash and Amiibo come out. Many Smash LE pre-orders were not met, GC adapters were undershipped, and lack of real supply for March, Villager, and WFT. Scalpers go crazy.
December: Amiibo Wave 2 suppose to come out same day. Oh wait, only 3 come. Maybe, maybe not. Where it Pit and Falcon? Why is my pre-order lost? Scalpers go crazy.
January: MM LE gets announced and sold within 30 minutes. New 3DS XL gets announced for $200, you have to unscrew to change memory cards, LE's are only shipped to warehouses. Scalpers go crazy.
Some people really did not follow Amiibo, Smash, or GC adapters.
Edit: I know it is a NA context, but the thread is about NA.
KiefbladeMaster
Member
Not to mention they're already making a big profit on the hardware as is.
Pathfinder
Member
As multiple people have stated throughout the course of this thread and the other, the issue is not as black and white as you want to make it out to be.
It is indeed possible for someone to be critical and disapproving of this decision by Nintendo, while at the same time not feeling its necessarily worth all of the backlash its causing, especially with chargers being so inexpensive.
moltonasty
Member
I literally said that it's cheap and dumb of Nintendo. It should come with an AC adapter. But it doesn't. Okay, so you can just buy one for like $ 2. What's the point of stressing this? I could understand 20 years ago, when you had to go hunting for video game accessories, but you can literally just open a new tab in your internet browser and have the thing delivered to your front door for less than the cost of filling your car with gas to drive to the store and buy the accessory. It just doesn't seem that serious to me.
HammerOfThor
Member
The average parent buying this for their kid wont have any idea probably. In the US it isn't common to NOT have charges with these things.
This I was I posted in the thread and I stand firmly by it. I'll stop commenting on this issue because it's tiring and I think I've dedicated more than enough time reading through it. I hope Nintendo comes to their senses with their next product and their online infrastructure.
I already have two AC adapters so this is not a problem for me, yet I'm not cool with this decision.
I'm purchasing a N3DS XL regardless, but I don't want this to set a bad precedent somehow. When I first heard other regions didn't get chargers I was baffled, I didn't understand why you would leave that out since it's essential to the console. At the time I also didn't think Nintendo would try to pull that in the Americas and now they have, so just like I complained during Driveclub's PS+ offer ($50 for PS+ users, will not keep full game if subscription expires, later fixed), I'm complaining here because I don't want this kind of precedent to be left.
I also think people don't have any 3DS console and planned to get this one but won't get it anymore due to the lack of an AC adapter, are being way too hard on this. Sure, it's an inconvenience and you'll have to spend a little more, but you already planned to purchase the console and while I think you have all the right to complain just as I'm doing, don't let this be the reason you won't be getting a console you wanted to get.
If you try to look at it from a business standpoint, all of their action makes perfectly sense (well, the recent mismanagement of the American market aside). They included a power adapter with the 2DS in Europe- a device which was easy to get for half the price of the XL. Why did they do that? New target group, that's why. Not every decision they make is out of pure greediness. I'm sure the saved shelf space was a more importing factor when they decided to release the new 3DS (XL) without a charger in the US than the manufacturing costs. I'm also sure that even if they wanted to release the new models in 2014 in the US and Europe, retailers would have forced them to take old stock back first. The only choice they had was probably delaying its launch everywhere.
Omegasquash
Member
It's like...I feel like that's a bullshit answer, but I also don't want to punish them for it. Canned corporate response, so whatever.
It really doesn't work both ways. One side is defending corporate greed. The other is against it. And if reading negative things about Nintendo is so painful to you, maybe stop clicking on the thread, because what they're doing here is never going to be OK.
Veritigo_X
Member
20 years ago the GameBoy came with everything you needed to play it out of the box. Even AA batteries.
I know $2 isn't a big deal, but it's just an added inconvenience that people shouldn't have to go through when paying $200 for a premium system.
Team Top Hat
Banned
I shouldn't have to do this!!!!
I don't get anyone defending this. It's absolutely insane. The device you get from the box only works for 10 hours before I have to spend more money to continue using it.
Yeah and when the batteries have been empty, you had to buy new ones. The new 3DS will come pre-charged out of the box. And if it's battery is empty, you have to buy a charger. Technically not much of a difference (except the latter is a one time affair).
Jazzy Network
Member
The monetary value doesn't matter. It's the fact that they don't give a shit enough about their customers to provide something that is essentially a necessity to operate the hardware inside the package.
CosmicQueso
Member
TheSlySoul
Member
The soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0-coASIjkQ
Point keeps missing some people's heads. Price means nothing in the argument.
My main complaint is they always been behind the times since the SNES days. GC was catching up to PSX. Wii was catching up to PS2. Now Wii U is HD, wow...
Now they are in 2012 (Xbox 360 and Smartglass)
Conceptually the difference is the batteries were a standard.. you could choose brands, re-chargables, whatever.
But yeah.. cost wise.. having to buy a charger once is cheaper and more convenient than dealing with batteries.
However it's 2015.. not using USB for a portable device for charging is obnoxious no matter how you slice it.
Wickerbasket
Member
Was the cost ever the issue though? I thought the issue was that they were selling the product without all the essentials required to operate it. It becomes a useless brick after a couple of hours of use unless you buy an additional product.
I think it speaks volumes about Nintendo NoA/NoE that they're willing to inconvenience buyers just so they can add $2~ onto their profit.
People expect their electronics to come with everything required to operate it.
Not much of a difference? Batteries used in toys aren't proprietary. The 3DS charging cable is.
AdventureMike
Member
This has always been the point.
test_account
XP-39C²
The only "funny" thing i see about this is Nintendo's claim that they are saving the consumer money. As others have mentioned, i doubt that Nintendo would have charged more even if the charger was included.
That said, i get the comments about wanting a charger included, but the overall problem is luckily near zero in this day and age. Its so easy to find a cheap charger. And with that said, Nintendo should have gone with a standard mirco-USB port instead. Why is it proprietary anyway? Just to sell their own chargers?
That said, i get the comments about wanting a charger included, but the overall problem is luckily near zero in this day and age. Its so easy to find a cheap charger. And with that said, Nintendo should have gone with a standard mirco-USB port instead. Why is it proprietary anyway? Just to sell their own chargers?
Yes, it's pitiful.
Pathfinder
Member
No, Americans expect their electronics to come with everything required to operate it.
As has been pointed out numerous times, gamers in some other regions have had to buy their own AC adapters separately for years now.
CosmicQueso
Member
That's a great summary, and one that hasn't been refuted by any of the arguments in support of the decision.
This is a decision impacting the North American market at this time. So what's your point? Your caring/not caring and Europe's caring/not caring has no relevance at all to the North American marketplace and its expectations and norms.
Well, the dedicated handheld gaming market is in steep decline, and maybe Nintendo has one more new handheld device it can release, but unless something significantly changes in consumer behavior their market is disappearing. Give it another decade, the argument will definitely end, because the business will.
lol I go to sleep and I see the same arguments when I wake up.
"This sucks"
"Meh it's not a big deal, only 10 bucks breh"
"It isn't about the price"
"aaaaaaahhhrhhrhfjjf
"waaaaarrble graaagrrrlee"
<a few minutes pass>
"I don't get it...it's only 10 bucks".
The cycle will never end.
"This sucks"
"Meh it's not a big deal, only 10 bucks breh"
"It isn't about the price"
"aaaaaaahhhrhhrhfjjf
"waaaaarrble graaagrrrlee"
<a few minutes pass>
"I don't get it...it's only 10 bucks".
The cycle will never end.
AdventureMike
Member
And as has been pointed out numerous times as well, they threw a tirade when this happened to them. Recognizing that this is an anti-consumer absurd idea is not a uniquely American thing.
No no no, not "gamers". Nintendo gamers have had to. And the argument that this policy is OK because Nintendo chose to screw over other regions first is just as lame now as when people were spouting it yesterday in defense of Nintendo.
TheSlySoul
Member
Yeah, it is like Japan killing dolphins and whales for food.
Sure it may be just there way of life, but we do not have to agree with it.
Also the practice just started in 2012 for Nintendo WW.
It will. This is also the third time we've had this since since 2012. It's topical again now but people will largely stop talking about it in a couple months and in few years most will have forgotten it was a thing.
test_account
XP-39C²
People complained about this as well, not to mention the memory card prices on the Vita. Even to this day, i sometimes see comments about it (they are more expencive than MicroSD cards, but it shows that people complained about it).
To be fair, this thread is on the by and large being fueled by all of four or five people.
Someone comes in to parrot either their disgust or lack there of, and the cycle starts with the choir kicking in from the background either in agreement or admonishment of said someone.
And on and on it goes.
TheSlySoul
Member
I think Ubisoft and Nintendo use the same PR company. Seems way too similar.
XGRaViSmOrSX
Member
So they switched the charging port to USB then right...? right?!?
My mind just can't fathom how they thought this was acceptable, ever. You need to pay extra to charge a device that needs a charger to work for longer than it's initial charge? Am I taking crazy pills?
My mind just can't fathom how they thought this was acceptable, ever. You need to pay extra to charge a device that needs a charger to work for longer than it's initial charge? Am I taking crazy pills?
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Well I'm sorry you don't expect your electronics to come with everything required to operate it. Damned Americans and their elitist desires.
This is part of the reason why it will die out. Much of it is concern trolling, it likely doesn't actually affect very many posters, they have the adapter, they're just playing the part of someone who might not. The ones who it does effect, wrongly or not, will be out a small bit of money that they might complain about then but then largely forget about because overall it was the principal of the matter, not really the effort/money cost and such feelings are generally in the moment and have little lasting effect. Regardless of how people feel about it this doesn't strike me as something that will matter a whole lot in the long run (especially given other regions). Maybe NOA will do what NCL does and toss it into some of the marked-up bundles or just wait out the initial brouhaha. However I don't see this going so far as a program to get a free adapter/eShop refund with Club Nintendo registration or anything like that (I haven't seen this proposed as a solution by anyone yet, but it does strike me as a future something that could potentially solve the problem of mandatory adapters more gracefully).
We've reached a new low for the entitlement argument now. Expecting a product to come with all its parts = entitlement. Makes sense.
CosmicQueso
Member
Sigh. This is either willful disregarding of most of the thread or a lack of understanding the arguments. I do not believe it to be the latter.
Wickerbasket
Member
I'm from the UK, and it fucking sucks that Nintendo doesn't supply everything to operate their systems. I expressed my displeasure when they did it in the EU and I'm expressing my displeasure now that they're doing it to the US.
I can't remember the last time I bought a digital product that didn't come with everything I needed to operated it in the box.
People DO expect their electronics to come with everything required to operate it, especially when they're paying $199.
Just because people put up with it, doesn't mean they support them doing it.
Yeah sorry Europeans did not fight it. Just because they want to take it up the ass doesn't mean North Americans have to.
Pathfinder
Member
And that's the category I personally fall into, and still get labeled a corporate apologist for buying an AC adapter on Amazon to solve the problem.
canedaddy
Member
I'm actually grateful that they pulled this stunt. I was set to spend $200 on one of these... thankfully Nintendo reminded me exactly what it is about nowadays and how it feels about consumers, and saved me a lot of the headaches I've faced buying their stuff as a late adopter in the past (with game pricing/rarity, etc.).
I don't think anyone truly supports the decision. Some can understand the decision and others hate the decision (we have people assuming all future Nintendo handhelds won't release with an AC adapter now). It is an odd decision that will harm newcomers to the hardware as they must now spend $10-$15 extra on an accessory.
It's a matter of principals (feelings), not a matter of effects (cost, effort). We've established it. I'm going to explain why I feel it's shitty even if this is not necessarily how it plays out for me.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
because of responses like the consumer will continue to get screwed over and over again.
You're not being labeled as such because you've chosen to buy one. You know that.
CosmicQueso
Member
Fair enough. Still, what's happening here is definitely not "concern trolling".