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[M°°nblade]

Printers never came with cables even back in the old days when they used centronix/parallel interface.

The '90s called, they want their standards back.
Parallel interface cables weren't included because they were expensive to produce, that's why.

This is not the case with a 5$ adaptor. Like most other mobile devices, people expect these to be included.

 

[Pandy]

Not going to trawl through to check if it's been mentioned, but now that pre-orders are up on the Nintendo UK store, they include a 'free gift' of a power adaptor in the basket as a seperate item. Might be worth checking if the US store is doing likewise.

 

[RoadHazard]

I strongly doubt their profit margins on these low-tech handhelds are so thin that they would be taking a loss if they threw in an adapter that likely costs them like $1 to manufacture. Or even just a USB cable (people say the 3DS can in fact be charged over USB with the right cable, which I wasn't aware of), which would cost them even less. Then people could at least power their new handhelds, as basically everyone has a powered USB port somewhere in the house. Now, if you're not aware of this and nobody tells you at the time of purchase, you're simply screwed.

Nah, they're just being cheap/greedy as hell.

Not going to trawl through to check if it's been mentioned, but now that pre-orders are up on the Nintendo UK store, they include a 'free gift' of a power adaptor in the basket as a seperate item. Might be worth checking if the US store is doing likewise.

That's pretty cool of them.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

As if parents don't already have a mountain of shit to do and deal with, now even the Nintendo handheld game is a pain in the ass.

 

[NervousXtian]

Seriously, they mass produce them.. can't cost them more than a couple bucks to manufacture a freaking AC adapter.

 

[Enduin]

This is dumb. I wasn't very keen or interested in get the n3DSXL but I wasn't completely closed off to it either. But no charger is rather crazy. I had thought if I did get a n3DSXL I wouldn't trade in my 3DSXL but give it to one of my little cousins but now that will require further investment in another charger which I'm sure will be priced well above what it actually costs and what it would have added onto the initial price of the n3DSXL if it was bundled with it. Dick move all around.

 

[Jazzy Network]

Not going to trawl through to check if it's been mentioned, but now that pre-orders are up on the Nintendo UK store, they include a 'free gift' of a power adaptor in the basket as a seperate item. Might be worth checking if the US store is doing likewise.

Lol "free gift". What a grand gesture!

 

[WrenchNinja]

I do not think most people have that many chargers. I have kids, each with their own systems and chargers, plus mine, plus a spare from some old system (dsi maybe?)

But yes, MOST people buying a n3dsxl do have at least 1.

And as far as trading it in with their old system... it's not Nintendo's problem. It's also only a requirement to include the charger when dealing with a big chain like GameStop. So maybe just use craigslist or ebay or any other number of avenues with which you can sell an unwanted electronic.

And I'm not saying electronic waste is priority for Nintendo. In fact, I doubt they even considered it (well, I'm sure some numbers guy somewhere factored it into some spreadsheet somewhere). But the fact is, whatever their motivations may be, it does reduce waste.

It is Nintendo's problem if they want people to upgrade.

Generally people on buy and sell sites tend to want the devices they buy to actually work. It'll be a rare few just looking for the device alone.

 

[Nipo]

I really wish Amazon would sell nintendo hardware but these decisions really make it an easy decision for them not to. The number of people who are going to buy this, realize it doesn't have an AC adaptor then email/call/chat with customer service to complain is going to be insane.

 

[Fuchsdh]

The expected answer, but still a shitty one.

I understand it both ways. God knows I have enough Lightning and 30-pin connectors from all my iPods and iPhones that I never really needed, but you're shafting the people who are buying in for the first time.

 

[TheSlySoul]

I really wish Amazon would sell nintendo hardware but these decisions really make it an easy decision for them not to.

I think Amazon US got really tired of NoA's incompetency and that is why they stopped selling them. I remember Amazon being on good terms during the Wii/DS era.

I cannot really blame them though. Although I do find it funny how nice NoA is to Gamestop when the Nintendo section is pathetic in every store.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Printers never came with cables even back in the old days when they used centronix/parallel interface.

Don't use printers to defend Nintendo. The printing industry is awful. Everyone knows this. I honestly think we just accept ink carts are $40 because monopoly.

I am critical of them, but they are never as bad as printer companies.
That practice would be $100 system, no charger. New battery is $40 each time.

 

[FafaFooey]

There's no charger included? Holy ass, that's some cheap shit right there.

 

[KiefbladeMaster]

Why is everyone trying to use every other piece of hardware under the sun to support their argument? Every printer, router, etc. includes a damn power cable.

I just bought the original XL because it includes a charger and is, surprise, only $170.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Why is everyone trying to use every other piece of hardware under the sun to support their argument? Every printer, router, etc. includes a damn power cable.

I just bought the original XL because it includes a charge and is, surprise, only $170.

Because their console manufacturer of choice is being criticised and must be defended

 

[TheSlySoul]

Why is everyone trying to use every other piece of hardware under the sun to support their argument? Every printer, router, etc. includes a damn power cable.

I just bought the original XL because it includes a charger and is, surprise, only $170.

Yeah, I bought monitors with VGA cables.
I will give them a star for at least trying (My computer didn't include any VGA ports).

I like to think the charger is like the allen wrench. Sure you may have some lying around, but seriously ... it probably cost you a dollar to make?

 

[Zoolader]

Whaaaaaaaat no power cable? Not able to open SD slot without having a tiny ass screwdriver? That's beyond stupid and I really don't feel like buying a new 3ds xl anymore. I'm happy now I missed out on the preorder for the MM 3ds.

 

[Pathfinder]

Because their console manufacturer of choice is being criticised and must be defended

For some reason, the alternative of jumping on the Nintendo hate bandwagon just doesn't seem as appetizing or satisfying.

 

[Owwari]

Man, how far will Ninty go I wonder?

 

[WrenchNinja]

For some reason, the alternative of jumping on the Nintendo hate bandwagon just doesn't seem as appetizing or satisfying.

Criticising a business decision isn't the same thing as hating a company.

But going out of your way to come up with as many excuses as possible for a bad decision certainly says something about the person doing it.

 

[Pathfinder]

Criticising a business decision isn't the same thing as hating a company.

But going out of your way to come up with as many excuses as possible for a bad decision certainly says something about the person doing it.

The problem is there's not just criticizing going on in this thread.

You can't really blame some people for getting defensive in the face of all the anger and resentment.

 

[ah_hia]

Nintendo bashers are having a field day with this issue.
People in Japan and Europe are getting by.
It doesn't cost that much to buy a new adapter.
Whingers.

 

[Rocky]

Don't use printers to defend Nintendo. The printing industry is awful. Everyone knows this. I honestly think we just accept ink carts are $40 because monopoly.

I am critical of them, but they are never as bad as printer companies.
That practice would be $100 system, no charger. New battery is $40 each time.

I assure you, I am in no way defending Nintendo. And as someone who has been in IT for almost 30 years, I'm not defending printers either. I can't tell you how many times clients had me come and install printers and they didn't realize a cable wasn't included, be it parallel or usb.

 

[entremet]

Nintendo bashers are having a field day with this issue.
People in Japan and Europe are getting by.
It doesn't cost that much to buy a new adapter.
Whingers.

I like Nintendo, for the most part, but this is stupid move, even for both Japan and the EU.

You still have to buy the adaptor, just include it! This just confuses new customers all for an artificial sticker saving.

You can like a company and still criticize their bonehead decisions.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Nintendo bashers are having a field day with this issue.
People in Japan and Europe are getting by.
It doesn't cost that much to buy a new adapter.
Whingers.

If it doesn't cost much, why doesn't Nintendo just include the charger? There was also a big uproar when the started doing this in Europe. I can guarantee they are selling the charger for a high markup as well. If they really wanted to save customers money they would sell it at cost.

 

[Harlock]

1-3 dollar gain per unit will never make up for a mother and son annoyed that your birthday New 3DS are not working. It is not like a phone that you can charge in any usb and even a phone will have a/c connector too.

 

[Derpyduck]

The problem is there's not just criticizing going on in this thread.

You can't really blame some people for getting defensive in the face of all the anger and resentment.

If you feel the need to get defensive because someone pointed out that a major corporation made a shitty business decision, you might be too invested. Time to diversify.

 

[BBboy20]

So, without charger, you are buying a 200 dollar paper weight. Power source isn't common so ...wow, they really want that extra 10 dollars. Fucking a.

 

[AdventureMike]

Nintendo bashers are having a field day with this issue.
People in Japan and Europe are getting by.
It doesn't cost that much to buy a new adapter.
Whingers.

It's not bashing when there is a legitimate criticism to be had. Nintendo are being cheapskates all around, even to Japanese and Europeans with not providing them with AC adapters either.

So, without charger, you are buying a 200 dollar paper weight. Power source isn't common so ...wow, they really want that extra 10 dollars. Fucking a.

This is where I came from too. You are buying a brick for 200 dollars. Even if you have the games to play on it, without a charger you are buying a piece of junk. That is egregious.

 

[TheSlySoul]

I assure you, I am in no way defending Nintendo. And as someone who has been in IT for almost 30 years, I'm not defending printers either. I can't tell you how many times clients had me come and install printers and they didn't realize a cable wasn't included, be it parallel or usb.

My apologies man.
I meant nothing against you. I just really hate the printing industry. Them and the cable industry are both scum.

 

[WrenchNinja]

The problem is there's not just criticizing going on in this thread.

You can't really blame some people for getting defensive in the face of all the anger and resentment.

Yes, there's a lot of astonishment and bewilderment at the decision too.

I think I can blame those people. They have no reason to be defensive. They are not Nintendo.

 

[Pathfinder]

If you feel the need to get defensive because someone pointed out that a major corporation made a shitty business decision, you might be too invested. Time to diversify.

If you feel the need to rage and trash others' opinions on the Internet because of a shitty business decision made by a major corporation, you also might be too invested.

It works both ways.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Nintendo bashers are having a field day with this issue.
People in Japan and Europe are getting by.
It doesn't cost that much to buy a new adapter.
Whingers.

You can't really blame some people for getting defensive in the face of all the anger and resentment.

This isn't about hating Nintendo. The response is so strong because people do and want to love Nintendo, but are dismayed by the poor decisions it is making.

Not sure why this is so hard to see.

 

[wkureservedp2]

Can't see the problem here... That's a pretty reasonable explanation. The console would cost more if they included the adaptor as standard. Now you're saving money if you don't need the adaptor, or paying what it would have cost had they included the adaptor as standard if you buy the adaptor seperately.

I'm sorry, but have to disagree. Regardless of what they say, they would not release the New 3DS at a price point higher than $199 after the futile launch of the orginal 3DS at $250. Adapters are so cheap to manufacture that the price point wouldn't change regardless of AC Adapter inclusion or no. They would still be highly profitable on each unit sold either way, mark it down.

 

[TheSlySoul]

If it doesn't cost much, why doesn't Nintendo just include the charger?

Yep, makes that point totally invalid.
I think the reason was truly the fact the box was not made to hold a charger.
I am cool with that. I actually think it is cool NoE stepped it up at started making SKU bundles with the charger included no extra cost. Now it is NoA's turn.

 

[scamander]

This is dumb. I wasn't very keen or interested in get the n3DSXL but I wasn't completely closed off to it either. But no charger is rather crazy. I had thought if I did get a n3DSXL I wouldn't trade in my 3DSXL but give it to one of my little cousins but now that will require further investment in another charger which I'm sure will be priced well above what it actually costs and what it would have added onto the initial price of the n3DSXL if it was bundled with it. Dick move all around.

5 bucks. Literally.

Wow, it's like if it was written by the onion. I swear, the people that defend Nintendo as if they could do no wrong is getting absurd. As its been pointed out, the fact of the matter is that Nintendo would not need to increase the price of the new 3ds to include the charger, they would just take a smaller profit. The fact they don't even want to do that speaks volumes about how they want to treat customers.

No, Nintendo don't just want to screw customers. They included a power adapter with the 2DS in Europe, even though all 3DS XL models came without one. Why is that? That's because the way cheaper 2DS was introduced for another target audience, while the 3DS XL was a product for the Nintendo enthusiast, who likely already owns a DSi/ 3DS charger.

I really wish Amazon would sell nintendo hardware but these decisions really make it an easy decision for them not to. The number of people who are going to buy this, realize it doesn't have an AC adaptor then email/call/chat with customer service to complain is going to be insane.

"The number of people who are too ignorant to read the product description or look at the product picture before ordering is going to be insane."

Whaaaaaaaat no power cable? Not able to open SD slot without having a tiny ass screwdriver? That's beyond stupid and I really don't feel like buying a new 3ds xl anymore. I'm happy now I missed out on the preorder for the MM 3ds.

How often do you plan to take the SD card out of its slot?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

If you feel the need to rage and trash others' opinions on the Internet because of a shitty business decision made by a major corporation, you also might be too invested.

It works both ways.

Who is raging and trashing others? The only issue I have is with Nintendo.

 

[TheSlySoul]

The problem is there's not just criticizing going on in this thread.

You can't really blame some people for getting defensive in the face of all the anger and resentment.

That I can agree with.
The real problem is all you can really comment on is "this is dumb", maybe offer ways they could fix the issue, and just post any articles/news that talk about it.

Really the problem is some people it doesn't bother. Ok, I get that. But you don't have to state your opinion like it is fact. Just because you don't see it as an issue doesn't mean it isn't an issue.
Personally I have 2 chargers. I can live without one, so personally it does not bother me. It is mostly the excuse that bothers me more than anything. I rather they just be honest about it. PR speak never works.

 

[Rocky]

My apologies man.
I meant nothing against you. I just really hate the printing industry. Them and the cable industry are both scum.

No problem. I hate em both too, lol. I think its very shitty of Nintendo as well and it pisses me off too, even though I still have my DSi, OG 3DS and 3DS XL.

It's only the beginning folks, they are going to be nickel and diming much more in the future. Only a matter of time before they try to charge for their online service as well.

 

[scamander]

I actually think it is cool NoE stepped it up at started making SKU bundles with the charger included no extra cost. Now it is NoA's turn.

It's not NoE who stepped up, it's only the official UK Nintendo store. They sell all their stuff at the MSRP, which is of course way higher than prices on amazon and other retailers. In the end you pay probably more than you would have for both components separately.

 

[NickFire]

I don't know how anyone could actually believe Nintendo did this for any reason other than to gouge its consumers.

 

[Pathfinder]

Who is raging and trashing others? The only issue I have is with Nintendo.

Not you specifically, but I have seen the term "corporate apologist", among other insults, thrown around plenty in this thread and the other.

 

[TheSlySoul]

It's not NoE who stepped up, it's only the official UK Nintendo store. They sell all their stuff at the MSRP, which is of course way higher than prices on amazon and other retailers. In the end you pay probably more than you would have for both components separately.

Oh really? That is lame.
So I guess Japan is the only one with a decent price plan, huh?

I don't know how anyone could actually believe Nintendo did this for any reason other than to gouge its consumers.

That is what really bothers me. If they truly cared about the customer, have a promotion where "Buy a new 3DS, get a free adapter". People could decline if they have enough.
People really shouldn't apologize...

 

[scamander]

Yep, makes that point totally invalid.

no included power adapter = less wasted shelf space = happy retailers

 

[Dragon]

The problem is there's not just criticizing going on in this thread.

You can't really blame some people for getting defensive in the face of all the anger and resentment.

Criticism: Nintendo should provide an adaptor in order to charge a device that has a rechargeable battery. Their reasoning that people already have older devices that have these adaptors is not sound. They don't just want to sell to people who have owned other Nintendo handheld devices. And it also adds more complication to the retail business because they have to deal with returns, etc.

no included power adapter = less wasted shelf space = happy retailers

See my last sentence above.

 

[TheSlySoul]

no included power adapter = less wasted shelf space = happy retailers

I can see that. I think Nintendo rather make retailers waste shelf space than create and ship new boxes with adapters inside.

 

[AdventureMike]

It's only the beginning folks, they are going to be nickel and diming much more in the future. Only a matter of time before they try to charge for their online service as well.

You bring up a good point as well. For some, this kind of behavior from Nintendo is just continuing aggrivating actions from the company. From their mismanagement of amiibos in NA to their decision to delay the n3DS here so they could squeeze some more pennies out of the market with an outdated system before Christmas. There is something to be said for consumer confidence and it is worth discussing when a company you generally want to purchase from acts in a way that is clearly greed driven. It is offputting to people.

 

[moltonasty]

http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-AC-Adapter-compatible-systems-DS/dp/B001PPGG2U

used prices starting at $1.75.

C'mon people, it's really not that serious. Inconvenient, yes. Cheap on Nintendo's behalf, obviously. But it's not the huge atrocity some are making this out to be.

 

[Veritigo_X]

no included power adapter = less wasted shelf space = happy retailers

Making retailers happy is more important than making consumers happy?

http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-AC-Adapter-compatible-systems-DS/dp/B001PPGG2U

used prices starting at $1.75.

C'mon people, it's really not that serious. Inconvenient, yes. Cheap on Nintendo's behalf, obviously. But it's not the huge atrocity some are making this out to be.

Nintendo can't afford to eat that cost? Costs them less than $1.75 to make the thing too.

 

[Dragon]

http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-AC-Adapter-compatible-systems-DS/dp/B001PPGG2U

used prices starting at $1.75.

C'mon people, it's really not that serious. Inconvenient, yes. Cheap on Nintendo's behalf, obviously. But it's not the huge atrocity some are making this out to be.

That is not an appropriate criticism of the people criticizing Nintendo for doing this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation