SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Not really. This time you ring a bell and you are summoned or summons a random player. You don't choose who to summon anymore. Similar to how invasions work.
Bloodborne gameplay : The first 18 minutes
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Not really. This time you ring a bell and you are summoned or summons a random player. You don't choose who to summon anymore. Similar to how invasions work.
Primethius
Banned
Wait really? You don't choose?
Stratosphere
Member
Where? I don't see a lamp.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Since these are only visual critiques, it isn't the same thing.
I don't see a Bish Verified badge. Have you already gone through the hoops?
Emmm it happens with every Sony exclusive game.
Infamous was downgraded because lighting was changed in a scene compared to the E3 demo...game is released, looks stunning.
Naughty Dog was hiding a disaster and obivously lied about 60fps because they refused to show gameplay of their TLOU remaster. Game is out, it's a great remaster running at 60fps.
A bad batch of compressed screens and some Twitch footage of the Driveclub beta is released and the comments are....what the fuck is this crap? Totally downgraded.
Game is released and with the weather patch is the most impressive looking racer available.
The Order 1886....no visual downgrade here, impossible to troll the graphics, but who cares, the game is too cinematic, crappy gameplay, sucks anyway.
Bloodborne and this thread...rinse and repeat.
An obvious lighting change (night vs sunset) plus an artistic change...downgrade!
Bah...
Alpha only. We don't know if that's the case in the full game.
DirgeExtinction
Member
I thought this was the team that worked on Demon's/Dark Souls, not Dark Souls 2?
DoubleTake
Member
T...tell me more...
I see... so i cant invite someone in my party and have a complete coop experience then..
Fuck that, if true.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
yeah, thats how it was in the Alpha, here are some more details:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148851260&postcount=33
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Spot on.
RespectThySole
Member
You mean any exclusive. I don't see how Sony exclusives in particular are treated any differently.
DoubleTake
Member
Sorry poor wording. I meant that fact that the clinic has its own lamp not that photo in particular.
GravityInsanity
Member
You must never heard of YouTube compression!
people actually have to be reminded that video compression is a thing
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Pretty sure blood echoes is just this game's version of souls.
can't. Want to, but can't.
Stratosphere
Member
No problem. There is definitely a lamp in the video though. And considering the warp is named '1st Floor Sickroom', it does feel like it may be a larger place.
DoubleTake
Member
Imru al-Qays;150366791 said:
Oh reaallly? Thanks thats one mystery crossed off my list lol. In that case there better be a limit on how many vials you can purchase form the Bath Messenger at any given time :/
Necromanti
Member
I think you can only hold 9 (or how many ever it was) vials at a time (unless that was just something for the demo).
The video made it seem like you could hold 20 and store 99. It was the part with the bath messenger I think.
gunslikewhoa
Member
I haven't played thousands of hours, but I have played hundreds, and I have played all of them, including DS1 and DS2 on both console and PC. Don't get me wrong, I prefer 60 fps. I notice the difference. I just don't notice it to that large of a degree, I guess.(???)
TheCongressman1
Member
That just makes it more obtuse for no reason. If they are going to make warping available in that way, they shouldn't have to artificially make using it difficult, if that's even what they are doing. It may just be an oversight.
DirgeExtinction
Member
Very fancy way of saying "three platforms".
Or two if you lump PS3/XB360 as one(console).
I'm talking about visual critiques. FR was excused because they were early builds shown off on IGN first, literally exact same situation. When release happened there were FR issues galore.
Bloodborne |OT| Concerned Souls
First bolded :
Smgh!!!
2nd : YOU WILL DIE OFTEN UNTIL YOU DISCOVER A WEAK SPOT AND HOW TO DODGE. Often deaths.....That sucks!
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
The Master Chief Collection's visuals were scrutinized like this? News to me. After inFAMOUS, DRIVECLUB, and The Order, people should learn not to jump on a bandwagon (regardless of flukes like WATCHDOGS). Games don't see downgrades often and most definitely not any recent Sony exclusives.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
I kind of wish they'd only let you warp to the lantern you warped from, maybe in addition to a very small number of major hub lanterns.
I dunno, if they were using a temporal aliasing solution it would have to be one that would basically be built from the ground up for this game. There's too much the aliasing shimmer effect for it to be a very good one, which would also be more costly on the system to use if they went the direction of other Sony developers in combining less processing intensive AA types along with a temporal AA solution.
The whole blurriness of a temporal solution is to reduce that shimmer in distance objects like the fences and edges of buildings
Like you said, they're not the technical masters that can pull of multiple IQ techniques like Ready at Dawn for The Order, Naughty Dog with Uncharted 4, or Sucker Punch with Infamous: SS.
TheCongressman1
Member
Imru’ al-Qays;150368018 said:
Yes, if there was a reason for having to go back to the hub, I'd be all for it. Some kind of mechanic that will make you strategize on how to travel.
That's what really burned me with DS2, warping was not well thought out and ended up hurting the level design.
DirgeExtinction
Member
Bloodborne |OT| Are we sure this hasn't been downgraded?
Bloodborne |OT| Early build obviously means final build
Bloodborne |OT| Early build obviously means final build
Ffs with the downgrade talk. There are legit downgrade examples, and there are posters with no knowledge of anything regarding game development thinking shitty video compression is a downgrade.
And for the record it's not a Sony only thing, console warriors will say the stupidest things to keep the list wars going.
Sometimes I actually wonder if there are people who play and enjoy games in here.
And for the record it's not a Sony only thing, console warriors will say the stupidest things to keep the list wars going.
Sometimes I actually wonder if there are people who play and enjoy games in here.
lol so true.
HawksWinStanley
Member
Never played a Souls game but the movement and animations in this look just as stiff and awkward as the Souls footage I saw from last gen. Not super impressed with the visuals as a whole either.
Don't want any of that combo nonsense in this game. If you want to juggle fools who don't fight back then stick to those games.
Aces&Eights
Member
Lawd, I have no idea how I am going to wait 7 more weeks. I caved and watched the footage and I think it looks fantastic. Whoever does the art design needs a goddamn Nobel prize. Along with the sound engineer.
Taking the week off from work for this one boys and girls. LED big screen, Onkyo amp.receiver and Sennheiser headphones.
Old fart Bachelor, FTW
Taking the week off from work for this one boys and girls. LED big screen, Onkyo amp.receiver and Sennheiser headphones.
Old fart Bachelor, FTW
Poimandres
Member
A lot of people do I'm sure. I'm undecided personally, but don't think this game is going to be lacking in dark night time areas! lol
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
I swear if From will do another lighting "downgrade" again, I will just send the thing back and cry.
Don't do this to me.
My guess for stats would be
I think they may have entirely eliminated item burden and equip burden in favor of weight classes on armor and weapons that factor into dodge and backstep distance as well as swing speed. This would fit with their aims to make the game more fast paced and focused on dodging and avoidance over blocking. In such a game you must ensure a certain baseline of dodge and avoidance for all players regardless of stat weight since they can no longer rely on blocking or heavy damage reduction to counter the lack of mobility.
The only real mystery is Arcane. My assumption is that it operates similar to faith or intelligence from past games with its effect on items and weapons but without the added utility of spells utilizing the stat as a damage modifier as well.
- Vitality = health
- Endurance = stamina
- Strength = damage for str weps (possibly also diminishes effects of higher weight classes on mobility)
- Skill = modifier for dex type weapons (possibly impacts damage of parry attacks)
- Bloodtinge = determines how much health you can regain from counter hits and health regained from blood vials
- Arcane = modifier for mystical damage on items and weapons.
I think they may have entirely eliminated item burden and equip burden in favor of weight classes on armor and weapons that factor into dodge and backstep distance as well as swing speed. This would fit with their aims to make the game more fast paced and focused on dodging and avoidance over blocking. In such a game you must ensure a certain baseline of dodge and avoidance for all players regardless of stat weight since they can no longer rely on blocking or heavy damage reduction to counter the lack of mobility.
The only real mystery is Arcane. My assumption is that it operates similar to faith or intelligence from past games with its effect on items and weapons but without the added utility of spells utilizing the stat as a damage modifier as well.
DoubleTake
Member
I agree it is obtuse but it does promote learning the layout of the levels. Again the philosophy is looking very Demon's Soulsy w/Dark Souls interconnected level design throughout.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Your theory regarding bloodtinge is the best one I've heard so far, but if you're right the stat seems pretty useless. Seems like it would always be preferable to have more health in the first place than to increase the amount of health you could potentially regain via counter hits.