mitchman
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Pretty sure they all use somewhat more advanced than that, depending on how much CPU they have.
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Pretty sure they all use somewhat more advanced than that, depending on how much CPU they have.
Sixfortyfive
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And my point is that if their scaling engine is any more "advanced" then that, then 1080p content on such a panel would definitely not look "exactly the same" as it would on a 1080p panel.
I, also, am super picky with input lag. It was actually my number 1 factor when looking for a new TV around Christmas time.
I read several articles that said that no one can notice below the 20-25ms time. I then went to displaylag.com ( which you should totally check out ) .. it changes from "excellent" to "great" rating at 20ms. It then goes from "great" to "okay" at 42ms.
I looked at the ~17ms 1080p Sonys, and the ~18ms P Series Vizio, and really liked those guys, but they both had tiny issues ( lack of features on the sony, and the always-on color correction of the P series ). I then started to look at the Samsung UN65HU8550. It was 4k. I didn't really *need* 4k, and I would have been fine saving the money, but I was looking at the TV because this year Samsung held most of their best features on the panels ( e.g. local dimming ) for the 4k sets. I don't believe there was a Samsung 1080p panel with local dimming this year ( and I found similar qualms with Sony, which were the two main manufacturers I was interested in ).
Everything was great about the Samsung except for this: around a ~37ms input latency ( and FYI, it was DOUBLE that if you don't update the TV firmware! ). This concerned me. Then I took the following factors into account:
* All 4k TVs ( besides the excellent P series ) this year, have a similar 37+ms input latency. ( mostly, I was comparing between this and the similarly price Sony 4k 65'' ) I liked the P series but couldn't take the color correction setting that you cannot turn off ( look it up if you are interested, its easy to research ).
* A 60 fps game will natively have around ~67ms lag from controller to screen. Due to various factors ( which can be researched and read about at length ). So when you are talking about 17 vs 37 ms, you are really talking about at the minimum 67 + 17 or 67 + 37 = 84ms vs 104ms.
* When a TV is considered really bad with input lag, it is around 70-90ms or in extreme cases, as much as 130+ms!! ( these are typically shitting 3rd party sets ) And this is the crux of what people warn about when talking about input lag.
* I noticed my excellent slim line Samsung 46'' 1080p set I have had since 2010 was around 68ms lag.. I hadn't really noticed over years.
So yes, its important ( and to varying degrees to different people ) but keep it in perspective when thinking about the whole set. I couldn't be happier with my Samsung UN65HU8550 ( even though I had 2 sets come with dead pixels before I got a good one! thank Christ for Amazon return policy.. I also think I just had horrible luck ). It does have much better color accuracy than the Sony and the P Series, it has the local dimming ( which you need to buy the super pricey top of the line Sony this year to get, the one with big speakers on the side of the panel ), and it supposedly has much better 3D than the Sony as well ( not that I will use it more than 2 or 3 times I'm sure ).
Overall, I discovered 2014 wasn't the best year ever for TVs. There isn't a cut and dry absolute best ( unless you start talking UBER expensive OLED LGs and the 3x more expensive top of the line Sony sets ), most every set in a reasonable pricerange had a qualm or two to be had about it ( including the one I ended up with! ), but at a certain point you gotta just pull the trigger!!
As someone who did extensive research on 2014 TVs, I can tell you this with objectivity: There was not a single 4k TV on the market this last year that does simple 2:1 pixel mapping for 1080p content on a 4k TV.
I really wanted this, and if anyone had it, it would have skewed my decision I think. 1080p content is exactly half the pixels of 4k ( i.e. 2160p ) content, so you would think it would be a no brainer, but that is no the case. Every 4k set on the market this year runs any and all content through its on board up-scalar. I think there might be some 4k computer monitors that have this feature, but all major TV sets ( Samsung, Sony, LG, Phillips, Vizio ) do not have that option.
That said, its not necessarily "bad".. really, its just "different". Personally, I sit way too close to my new 65'' 4k ( smallish living room, probably 12-14 feet back ) and it looks amazing. I can find issues if I stand super close, but really I dunno if the issues really make the IQ worse or not. Either way it is the same 1080p data. do you want it bigger and blockier or more fine and interpolated? I dunno! Its really fine through the up-scalar in my experience now, even though I was super worried about it before.
Edit: 1080p is not half the pixels of 4k.. but half the pixels horizontally, and vertically, for a total, of 1/4 the pixels of 4k.. just need to clarify
RandomSeed
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I'm looking for some opinions on this Insignia TV on sale at Best Buy right now...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-50-class-49-1-2-diag--led-1080p-hdtv-black/2878482.p?id=1219080767609&skuId=2878482&productCategoryId=abcat0101001
It took some digging, but they list the response time as 5.5ms. I've been using a 720p DLP for the longest, but this one has me interested for $350 plus tax as long as the quality is good (not expecting the absolute best). Thoughts?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-50-class-49-1-2-diag--led-1080p-hdtv-black/2878482.p?id=1219080767609&skuId=2878482&productCategoryId=abcat0101001
It took some digging, but they list the response time as 5.5ms. I've been using a 720p DLP for the longest, but this one has me interested for $350 plus tax as long as the quality is good (not expecting the absolute best). Thoughts?
Souldestroyer Reborn
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I understand that changing the name of one of your inputs on a Samsung TV to PC makes your image better (I think?)
Does the same apply to Sony TV's?
Does the same apply to Sony TV's?
PhillMeCream
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What tv should I get for pc gaming and watching movies, my budget is under $1,000.
I had use a plasma for my pc but it's super laggy.
I had use a plasma for my pc but it's super laggy.
BabyFaceKillah
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I just got a 55' Samsung 120hz smart TV what settings should I use??
BabyFaceKillah
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Double post. My bad
It's all based on the model. Try searching for it on AVSForums or RTings maybe.
FlammableD
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Do we have any idea when the 2015 Sony's are out? I like the sound of built in Android TV/YouView.
Had my Sony 40W600b for a week now. I love it. Been throwing PS4 games at it and it looks great and it's done well with all the blu-rays I've watched also. Input lag isn't noticeable either.
It was only $450 so that's probably lower tier in the world of HD sets, but it's pretty good at what it does.
It was only $450 so that's probably lower tier in the world of HD sets, but it's pretty good at what it does.
Is that the same model as the KDL40W605B?
Guys I'm looking to get a TV for my room which will mainly be used for gaming/watching movies. I mainly game on the Bravia downstairs so I'm looking to spend around £300-£380 for the upstairs telly. I can get either a Sony Bravia KDL40W605B for £330 or a Samsung UE40H6400 for around £370. Which should I get? I've checked all the reviews and so far I'm edging towards the Sony, but apparently it doesn't handle motion as well as the Samsung so I'm just wondering whether there is noticeable motion blur when using it? I'm not fussed on the design or the smart features, just the visuals and how it handles motion.
Looks like it's the same, just for the UK. 600B in the states, 605B in the UK.
I would assume all the components are the same? But I don't want to say that for sure and have it be a crappier set. If it is the same, then I'd recommend it. Haven't noticed any motion blur.
Worth noting that it's only 60hz. I know some people don't enjoy playing games at anything below 120hz these days, but it's been fine for me and I prefer that for blu-rays.
Guys, moment of the truth, really need your help on this quick, ehehe , my friend got into some troubles and really needed money fast, so he´s selling me his tv from last year( almost new) for 1200 bucks, i think its a deal, its this one:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9005b-201405123771.htm
The thing is, its a 4k , i heard they upscale the 1080 signal but the immage is worse because its not native that way, also the imput lag for that tv from what i checked its 41 ms, what do you guys think?
Will the image suffer from the upscale or shoud i buy it with no worries?
Please help
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9005b-201405123771.htm
The thing is, its a 4k , i heard they upscale the 1080 signal but the immage is worse because its not native that way, also the imput lag for that tv from what i checked its 41 ms, what do you guys think?
Will the image suffer from the upscale or shoud i buy it with no worries?
Please help
This has been a huge help, thank you! I was edging towards the Sony anyway, but you've settled it for me. All the reviews have rated it fairly highly when it comes to picture quality etc so I can't see any reason not to get it.
The picture quality has honestly been great across for the board for me.
One last drawback worth mentioning, though: it doesn't look great if you're watching from the side. Happens with a lot of LED TV's as far as I know, but just something to keep in mind. If you're buying this for a big room where lots of people will be watching from a variety of angles then I would maybe look elsewhere. But if it's more just for personal use then you should have no problem.
That's understandable the technology is still fairly new. I remember back in early 2000s seeing a 42 inch Fujitsu EDTV plasma and it was $7999 at circuit city. It was one of the first if not the only flat panel in the store.
It looks like the LG 65EF9500 is exactly what I'm looking for. It should be released in Q2 2015. I'm pretty excited for a panel shootout and reviews.
Great news. It's going to be in my bedroom so that won't be a problem for me. Final Q, what's the picture quality like on game mode? I'd probably be using that mode due to the low input lag, but if the picture quality decreases significantly then I'd just stick with the cinema mode which is meant to be pretty incredible.
Guys, moment of the truth, really need your help on this quick, ehehe , my friend got into some troubles and really needed money fast, so he´s selling me his tv from last year( almost new) for 1200 bucks, i think its a deal, its this one:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9005b-201405123771.htm
The thing is, its a 4k , i heard they upscale the 1080 signal but the immage is worse because its not native that way, also the imput lag for that tv from what i checked its 41 ms, what do you guys think?
Will the image suffer from the upscale or shoud i buy it with no worries?
Please help
Please help
That's what I use for everything, blu-rays and games. It turns off the extra features that you don't need. Even when looking on a few sites online for ideal calibration settings for movies they listed game mode as a way to get an accurate picture.
Definitely play around a bit with the settings though after switching it to game mode. Different ones work for different settings and there's always a little bit of subjectivity for this kinda thing. Like I know one of the first things I changed was the backlight level. The default setting was a bit dim to me.
hoverboarder
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Please help
Amazing tv. Sony has been doing and improving 4k for a decade, best upscaler on the market. Best image processing with x reality pro. Triluminous color. I am watching on it now, can't reccommend it enough.
I've been eyeing this for a while: LG 47B650V 47 inch.
Any good? Features seem nice and all but how's the gaming with this thing?
Any good? Features seem nice and all but how's the gaming with this thing?
LG only company.
New sets out in late spring.
All 4K, flat and curve. 55" and 65" Dont expect to pay less than 3500-4000 for a 55"
Excellent. Have a £6000 budget so know its not going to be cheap. In the market for a flat one. So cant wait to see what they come with.
Thank you for the reply, so you dont see any noticable leg or bad resolution from the upscale?
hoverboarder
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It has made everything I watch look better, for detail and color. Even YouTube looks amazing. This destroys everything in its price range, including the LG OLED.
Dominican Power
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What are the best 32" TVs out in the market?
geordiemp
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On my panasonic AX802 (think its right model number) in advanced options I can choose between
1. Grouping 1080p original image in blocks of 4
2. Upscaling o 4K
Bought it as input lag was 30ms, pretty good for a 4 K set for gaming.
It has the sharpness down for sure, but it can't match the 9300 in color/contrast imho. Don't get me wrong it's the nicest LED out there, it's scaler is fantastic. It's overall PQ due to sharpness is great. If I bought a LED tv it would be my first choice (even I can't justify the 950b price tag lol). But it can't match that OLED in color. Then again I put a lot of emphasis on darks.
The Scollard
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Hey, I'm looking to get a new TV, and was looking for GAF's opinion. My current gaming TV is an old Plasma from around 10 years back, and it has served me well over 2 console generations. However, it doesn't take HDMI, so I can't plug any next-gen (current gen?) stuff in it, so we must part ways.
*takes off hat in mourning*
I'm going to be using it almost exclusively for gaming, so I want a good 1080p HDTV with good blacks. I'm thinking of going for either the Sony KDL50W800B or the KDL48W600B. I need the TV to be less than 48" wide, and I will primarily be playing looking straight at the screen, so I don't need to worry about loss of color when viewing at an angle. I don't play many fast multiplayer games, so input lag doesn't need to be top-of-the-line, but I don't want it to be noticeable either. I'm torn between the W800B and the W600B because, while the W800B is more expensive, it has the 120Hz refresh rate and motion smoothness. Is the difference between a 120Hz refresh rate and a 60Hz refresh rate really that noticeable for games? Because if it's not, I'll probably go for the W600B, because the 400$ difference between the two is what is making my decision difficult.
How's the motion blur on the W600B? I'm thinking of getting one myself. Is it noticeable?
*takes off hat in mourning*
I'm going to be using it almost exclusively for gaming, so I want a good 1080p HDTV with good blacks. I'm thinking of going for either the Sony KDL50W800B or the KDL48W600B. I need the TV to be less than 48" wide, and I will primarily be playing looking straight at the screen, so I don't need to worry about loss of color when viewing at an angle. I don't play many fast multiplayer games, so input lag doesn't need to be top-of-the-line, but I don't want it to be noticeable either. I'm torn between the W800B and the W600B because, while the W800B is more expensive, it has the 120Hz refresh rate and motion smoothness. Is the difference between a 120Hz refresh rate and a 60Hz refresh rate really that noticeable for games? Because if it's not, I'll probably go for the W600B, because the 400$ difference between the two is what is making my decision difficult.
How's the motion blur on the W600B? I'm thinking of getting one myself. Is it noticeable?
hoverboarder
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Better than oled? Cmon mate that cant be true
I'll buy an OLED if Sony releases one one day in 4k (or 8k and so on.) Their tech and color representaction is second to none for me when it comes to TV. I think they are waiting to make one that is affordable and one that lasts without having to use the white light LG uses. Sony will famously not jump into a new popular tech until they can "perfect" it. Guess I'm a fanboy lol.
And yes, PM me when you get it and we'll swap settings, tips, etc.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Sounds like the TV I bought would fit your needs. I got the 49 inch Sony Bravia W700 series TV. Its best buys version of the w800. The only difference is it doesn't support 3D like the w800 which I could care less about. I also like the thin chrome silver like bezel and the picture quality is amazing. I got it when it was 699 now I think its going for 799. I would have easily paid 900 to a grand for this TV. I think you get the best bang for your buck with it. Its also clocks in at 23 ms for input lag and has received gaming tv of the year from several sites. I don't know how the motion blur is on the w600 but I believe those models only support 60hz where the W700 and 800 are 120hz.
The Scollard
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Sounds great. Sadly, I live in The Great White North, so I don't think I could get the TV up here. I checked through the websites of the main retailers, and none of them have it. It annoys me to no end, since that sounds like the best TV that has the best of both worlds (I couldn't care less for 3D either).
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/11/us-samsung-display-investment-oled-idUSKBN0LF00R20150211
Samsung's putting another $3.6 billion in OLED. Doesn't say anything about TVs, but that's a pretty huge investment.
I think we'll see an OLED TV from Samsung eventually, just not anytime soon. Probably by 2017-2018.
Haven't noticed the motion blur at all.
As for 60hz vs. 120. I think it's noticeable, but not all that better. And I actually like movies less in 120.
But it's kinda subjective. I know some people who love how movies look at 120.
Yeah, for smart phones and tablets. Quantum dot is cheaper and delivers close to OLED so I don't expect anyone else to bother.
Completely false. Quantum Dot in no way delivers OLED quality in the way its being used.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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What country is the great white north Canada? It may be available in your country and listed with a different model number. Its exclusive to Best Buy in NA.
I'll buy an OLED if Sony releases one one day in 4k (or 8k and so on.) Their tech and color representaction is second to none for me when it comes to TV. I think they are waiting to make one that is affordable and one that lasts without having to use the white light LG uses. Sony will famously not jump into a new popular tech until they can "perfect" it. Guess I'm a fanboy lol.
And yes, PM me when you get it and we'll swap settings, tips, etc.
Im also a kind of fanboy , here in portugal that sony tv was considered the best tv of 2014? Marketing maybe?
Ill pm you when i got it, thank you very much, yours is wall mounted? Is that possible with that shape?
Up here the model number is KDLxxW790B. Identical to the W800B, apart from the fact that the W800B has 480 Hz motion smoothing and the W790B has 240 Hz. (Both 120 Hz panels). FutureShop and Best Buy both have it.
Source: me - as I just bought the 55" W790B about a month ago. I still need to tweak my calibration a bit more, but so far I'm enjoying it. I was coming from a 9 year old Pioneer plasma.
Insane Metal
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I play on my Sammy F5300 60" Plasma. Yesterday I decided to try playing on a Sammy 32" LED I have in the other room. Holy shit. HOLY SHIT. The difference is so massive!! I didn't notice when I was used to play on an LED. But now, god damn. Driveclub looked like a different game. The LED couldn't reproduce the subtleties in lighting provided by the awesome HDR in the game. Yeah I know it's not a high end tv, but still.
WheelHoss1
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This isn't really a fair comparison. Why don't you see how the game's lighting looks on my 8550, and then tell me how LED LCDs do against plasmas?
It CAN get close to OLED, I'm not saying it IS right now. Company's care about cost, why do you think LCD beat Plasma? Quantum Dot is going to crush OLED in price, and that's really the only thing most people care about.
Compared to a high end Panny plasma? No competition, the plasma wins. Even the 900B will struggle with the ST/VT/ZT line, and the 950B (an $8000 65" true full array, or $25,000 85") will have a battle against the ZT. It is what it is. OLED is the only thing that compete against plasma, for now, unless LED QD/Triluminous/Back&Edge lighting really kick it up a notch. Like said, sure the 950B is incredible, but it's outrageous in price. Where sets like those or your 8550 has an advantage is in sharpness due to resolution/upscaling capability.