They only did that once with the exotic upgrade path, that said they did far far more to reduce cumbersome grind with the same patch that added purchasable planet materials, plus planet mat rewards for doing dailies and the 5 patrol mission bounties.
Destiny is very much a consumer-unfriendly product
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They only did that once with the exotic upgrade path, that said they did far far more to reduce cumbersome grind with the same patch that added purchasable planet materials, plus planet mat rewards for doing dailies and the 5 patrol mission bounties.
king picollo
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The issue is people want to be spoon fed teams and expect them to drag you through things.
It takes minimal effort to find people to raid with through a number of channels.
I cannot imagine doing a hard raid with random matched people, as it only takes one bad person to mess everything up and you need to ensure communication.
It takes minimal effort to find people to raid with through a number of channels.
I cannot imagine doing a hard raid with random matched people, as it only takes one bad person to mess everything up and you need to ensure communication.
Yes it would. It would completely break the experience and ruin many, many matches for lots of other people who are committed and playing well, only to be left up shit creek with no way of finishing the raids after a few hours of play because some jackass quit. Also, people on matchamaking do not use their mic, an ESSENTIAL for doing the raids. How can you possibly run a 6 person raid with no communication?
Do you play Destiny? Anyone who plays this game could not possibly say that matchmaking wouldn't ruin raids/nightfall.
Bungie clearly did not make this decision lightly.
Omnistalgic
Member
Yeah, finally sold it yesterday. Destiny was amazing while it lasted, but honestly, I'm not expecting big changes with the expansion, but will jump back in with Destiny 2. Never had too much trouble with Raids though, I think it helped build the community on PS4. To me, that's one of the things Destiny shouldn't change lol, but to each there own.
Lord of Castamere
Member
I used to have an opinion on this, but I haven't raided since the plat. I don't know what changes have been made.
I don't think 6 players without mics could beat OG VoG without prior experience. I think OG VoG could have had matchmaking, for those who have completed the Raid from start to finish at least once. Hard couldn't have had matchmaking, not possible.
I don't think 6 players without mics could beat OG VoG without prior experience. I think OG VoG could have had matchmaking, for those who have completed the Raid from start to finish at least once. Hard couldn't have had matchmaking, not possible.
We never sleep, just drop a message in there and I'm sure someone will be up!
I know
You really don't play destiny do you?
I see a lot of people complaining about "the grind" and having to play the same content over and over.
First, if you're not enjoying it why are you playing? Second, I know I can't be the only one that played Halo levels/campaigns over and over again and that was without a chance at new weapons and gear...
First, if you're not enjoying it why are you playing? Second, I know I can't be the only one that played Halo levels/campaigns over and over again and that was without a chance at new weapons and gear...
anothertech
Member
I disagree.
Groups could be put together just the same as they are now. But for those of us who don't have groups, we could use the matchmaking. If someone quits, their position could be filled back in. It's not that hard of a mechanic.
The way it works now is the ridiculous way. Someone quits or gets disconnected and can't get back on, the group is sol after hours of work. Just like you said.
matchmaking could fix that problem.
Laws00
Member
I'm glad I only rented it.
I want to play it but the online model i dont like. I learned that lesson from star craft 2 and daiblo 3.
I was hesitant with titanfall but for a little more then 12 bucks and all the dlc i bit.
My friend called me up the day the game came out and asked if i got it. i told him fuck no.
another friend called me asked me if i got. told him no. and my online friend asked me if i got.
Now I keep seeing this deal for 30 bucks on that website for a digital version.
No one in my circle of friends plays the game anymore.
I think I did good.
I want to play it but the online model i dont like. I learned that lesson from star craft 2 and daiblo 3.
I was hesitant with titanfall but for a little more then 12 bucks and all the dlc i bit.
My friend called me up the day the game came out and asked if i got it. i told him fuck no.
another friend called me asked me if i got. told him no. and my online friend asked me if i got.
Now I keep seeing this deal for 30 bucks on that website for a digital version.
No one in my circle of friends plays the game anymore.
I think I did good.
DryvBy
Member
No, go try the Weekly that they patched in. You'll spend more time waiting for a proper group to join you than just finding someone online that knows what to do.
An option would be nice, but it would be a wasted option. There's way too many bad players.
I challenge you to do this on simply the Weekly. Players can't get that right. You expect them to work together and not quit during the much longer raid sessions? lol.
Communication. Everyone needs to be able to communicate. You also need or want people with specific builds or abilities. Virtually no one talks when doing the weeklies via matchmaking. Something you can currently do when putting a team together.
the issue with this is like I see all the time within LFG groups
Person X quits then find new person then spend the next 3-4 times dying as that person warms up and gets used to the team, a lot of people in the game simply do not talk which is a major issue when doing a hard mode raid.
I think the only way matchmaking would work in raids is if people are
A max rank
B have 5+ completions
C only on normal
the main issue in the crota raid....
Matchmake... somehow get to crota WHO CARRIES SWORD?
What's this for cheap counter argument?
I don't play anymore yes. Have watched my roommate play tens of hours every week (he quit Monday after getting and upgrading an exotic weapon). He also thinks the game is a mess and that Bungie is lackluster about updating.
Do you really expect me to still play a game I think needs patching ? I don't hate myself.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
The game has a tiny amount of content, the mission design is awful, the story is awful, it feels super repetitive, the RNG is awful. The raids are dramatically better than the rest of the game but they make you focus on 1 at a time and its hard to get people together and do it, and even when you manage to find a team that can beat it the chances of you getting what you want are slim.
It's awful, Bungie cashed in, they are more of a AAA publisher than a passionate game dev.
Lockjaw333
Member
I found Destiny to be one of the more exclusionary games I've ever played. I felt very much excluded from the meat and potatoes of the game, much like the OP.
Raids- only if you have insane amounts of time and a full group, and high level requirements
Strikes- no matchmaking
The Community- filled with level snobs
If you don't have a constant group to play with (I didn't), then you are pretty much excluded from Raids and Strikes because of lack of matchmaking, ridiculous time commitments, and also how many people in the community, including my own online friends, will refuse to play with a lower level player with lower level gear.
Up until level 20 I could forgive lack of matchmaking, but after that it completely ruined the game for me. It felt like the game at that point divides its userbase, and not in a good way.
Raids- only if you have insane amounts of time and a full group, and high level requirements
Strikes- no matchmaking
The Community- filled with level snobs
If you don't have a constant group to play with (I didn't), then you are pretty much excluded from Raids and Strikes because of lack of matchmaking, ridiculous time commitments, and also how many people in the community, including my own online friends, will refuse to play with a lower level player with lower level gear.
Up until level 20 I could forgive lack of matchmaking, but after that it completely ruined the game for me. It felt like the game at that point divides its userbase, and not in a good way.
The game has been patched many times and a lot of the OG issues have now been fixed.
This game is not a mess, it has it's problems but is no where near some of the complete disasters we have seen from AAA games recently. I think you're overreacting a bit.
Urm strikes all but Nightfall do have matchmaking? What are you talking about?
Community, urm you obviously didn't go onto the community on GAF?
You replied with a copycat post?
"Matchmaking sucks"
"Can't it be an option?"
"Matchmaking sucks"
I'm outta this thread, I know where this is going.
Diablohead
Member
Did bungie ever bump up the level of gear in the vault of glass? the NPC's in the tower sell better gear then the rare drops in the first raid thus killing the reasons for running it.
That part does not compute with the rest of the post, say it takes 30 minutes to get a team together on Gaf, you'll be done with the whole raid in 30-40 minutes glitches notwithstanding that's 1 hour of game time, with matchmaking in it's current form you have a next to garunteed chance of banging your head against a wall trying to get past just one part of the raid for at least an hour, time gets added on with people leaving, dealing with ill-equipped people and so on, and good luck getting Hard mode done at all under these conditions on either raids, holy shit!
no as CE has gear that will get you to 32 also the drop rate in CE is so much better than VOG.
Atheon is still fun and the chances for exotics are still there.
Raids - it doesn't take that long to get to lvl26 to be able to do VoG. Maybe a week of playing a few hours a night.
Strikes - DO have matchmaking.
Community - One of the best I have met in recent years.
Nope. There's no reason to do anything other than Crota's End and Nightfalls these days, and I've had every Crota's End drop for months. It's sad, because VoG is the best content in the game. It's also sad because they effectively nerfed all of the VoG guns by leaving them behind.
But they have to get you to buy the new DLC, right?
On matchmaking, Nightfalls should matchmake. Raids should not.
The message board randoms will likely communicate.
Until you've done a raid you can't understand how impossible it would be without every single person communicating.
All that will likely happen in matchmaking is you wasting hours of your time and getting nowhere.
Diablohead
Member
NPC's should have never had level 31 gear to begin with, whoever decided to do that at bungie needs to think more about cause and effect.
anothertech
Member
This right here is the false elitism I'm talking about.
The weekly they patched matchmaking in for works absolutely fine. And it's a thousand times easier than waiting for someone from a distant time zone to login at the right time and find you at the designated spot yadayada.
There's way to many bad players??
More like too many players that don't know what to do because they've never had the chance to play the main parts of the game because there's no way to get a group together unless you LEAVE the game.
The ones that 'know what they are doing' had to experience the raids/nightfall a for the first time too remember. And it was no picnic until they figured it out. Most of us that haven't had the chance to even try the raids should have the chance to do the same.
HiredN00bs
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Let's have someone who knows little about the game tell the people who know a lot about the game what the game needs to improve.
Actually, that's still a valuable perspective, but you're not even doing that. I mean you're saying things that are patently false.
Lockjaw333
Member
Sorry, I confused lack of matchmaking in strikes with raids, I haven't played the game in months
I know the GAF community is good, and the r/fireteams on Reddit was a good spot too, but after initially getting turned down by people on my friends list I had at that point lost interest in the game anyway.
Huh?
I saw your post and explained the limitations of matchmaking. I'm not sure what you want me to say. I think lack of communication would render matchmaking useless but i'm sure people will find something else to gripe about when/if Bungie adds it.
Sanpei
Member
This thread is quite literally
Actual players VS People that sold game after a couple months.
I agree. Crazy.
I don't understand why people say they don't have 5 mins to go to LFG/DGAF/Reddit for a group, but want to play a raid, that may take several hours? (Especially with bad players)
I've yet to have a good experience with the weekly MM, every time is someone idle, or that won't revive you or that have no idea what they're doing.
I can see a BoardLFG working, but I doubt they will implement it ingame.
I've yet to have a good experience with the weekly MM, every time is someone idle, or that won't revive you or that have no idea what they're doing.
I can see a BoardLFG working, but I doubt they will implement it ingame.
The people eventually knew what they were doing are the same ones who communicated during the raid when they went through it the first time to discuss how the mechanics work, how to overcome them and what roles people took on, all I can say is good luck with the Templar, gatekeeper, Atheon, Bridge (Oh ma gawd!!) and Crota parts of their respective raids as a newbie using matchmaking because it ain't going to be pretty.
The first time I played Vog with FRIENDS in our clan with full communication and talking through strategies at every encounter it took 3 sessions over 3 nights to complete it. We were lvl26's and 27's at the time and VoG had just come out but still ... that shows you what a matchmaking effort would be up against if ppl in the party hadn't attempted it before.
The last time we did it, it took us 45 minutes.
Well, it's pretty easy to get a group going here on GAF.
You can always attempt DestinyLFG. No matchmaking because the game modes you mention require a degree of skill and time on your hands.
I can see why this can be frustrating, though.
Totally agree. Why do I need to be online to do a few Vanguard bounties?? I appreciate that Public Events would not exist and it would open up new avenues for glitching, but it really takes a long time to go online, pick your character, fly to the Tower and finally go to a destination.
Bungie should really look into allowing players to manage their bounties 'on the fly.
Oh and I nearly forgot. VAULT SPACE! We need MORE.
Mass Appeal
Member
i completely disagree with having matchmaking for raids. I have over 300 hours logged into Destiny across 3 characters, have done probably 30 plus raids and never had a problem finding people through the Destiny GAF board or Destinylfg.net
Raids require a ton of communcation and teamwork which Imo would not work if there was matchmaking. As the recent addition of MM to weeklies shows, people will go afk or not try and just let others do the work for them...it's really annoying. Raids like his where team work is essential and people who don't use mics, raiding would be so frustrating. I can't even imagine doing Vault of Glass HArd mode or Crotas hard mode with randoms in mm.
I honestly don't know why people say "I don't have 5 in real life friends to raid with" ? I have only one irl friend on my friends list on my ps4 that plays this game yet I have done over 30 raids or so. My PSN friends list before Destiny was pretty small. Had like 5 friends due to me transitioning over from my 360 last gen and Xbox live.
Now since the release of Destiny in September, the Destiny GAF board and destinylfg, My friends list has grown from over 20-30 friends on my list who play this game regularly. It was really painless and honestly, I have met a lot of cool people during my Destiny career.
Imo Destiny has one of the best game communities, especially here on GAF, that I have ever been part of. So many people help each other out and Hawkian on the Destiny GAF Board also hosts raids especially for people who have never run VOG or Crota and even runs a sword achool for those that want to practice running the sword for Crotas end.
If anything, Bungie should incorperate a system like destinylfg into their game. Like have a special area at the tower for people looking to raid. I think it can be done but people who say they don't have enough friends to raid, is bs. It's really easy Imo....
Raids require a ton of communcation and teamwork which Imo would not work if there was matchmaking. As the recent addition of MM to weeklies shows, people will go afk or not try and just let others do the work for them...it's really annoying. Raids like his where team work is essential and people who don't use mics, raiding would be so frustrating. I can't even imagine doing Vault of Glass HArd mode or Crotas hard mode with randoms in mm.
I honestly don't know why people say "I don't have 5 in real life friends to raid with" ? I have only one irl friend on my friends list on my ps4 that plays this game yet I have done over 30 raids or so. My PSN friends list before Destiny was pretty small. Had like 5 friends due to me transitioning over from my 360 last gen and Xbox live.
Now since the release of Destiny in September, the Destiny GAF board and destinylfg, My friends list has grown from over 20-30 friends on my list who play this game regularly. It was really painless and honestly, I have met a lot of cool people during my Destiny career.
Imo Destiny has one of the best game communities, especially here on GAF, that I have ever been part of. So many people help each other out and Hawkian on the Destiny GAF Board also hosts raids especially for people who have never run VOG or Crota and even runs a sword achool for those that want to practice running the sword for Crotas end.
If anything, Bungie should incorperate a system like destinylfg into their game. Like have a special area at the tower for people looking to raid. I think it can be done but people who say they don't have enough friends to raid, is bs. It's really easy Imo....
I took a break from Destiny myself. I have quite a few friends on my friends list that plays the game so I'm not without others to do some of the heroics and such. With that said, I am surprised that they didn't add more match making into the game. I don't know about for raids because there needs to be some sort of coordination if you plan on getting anywhere. Especially if you are wanting to do the raid on hard. I can see way undergeared people joining and keeping the raid party from having any real chance at progression.
I think Destiny had the potential to be much more, and Bungie sold it as such before launch, but I have a feeling Activision made some last minute decisions that made the game what it is today. Still I can't help but feel that Bungie could still add more content and match making and would still have people who would play it.
I think Destiny had the potential to be much more, and Bungie sold it as such before launch, but I have a feeling Activision made some last minute decisions that made the game what it is today. Still I can't help but feel that Bungie could still add more content and match making and would still have people who would play it.
DryvBy
Member
I don't think you understand nor have ever looked up the word "elitism". I'm not saying I'm the best of the best or that only the best should be able to play. But having a basic understanding of the game should be essential. For example having the correct gear for the weekly. I haven't ran into one person doing the level 30 weekly that has helped me through matchmaking because of dying then quitting or because they're sitting there not playing. This is every time I've tried it.
If being annoyed by people joining up and not knowing very basic aspects of a game is "elitism", then ok. I'm an elitists.
Instead of making my post I should have just quoted yours and said, "Ditto!" lol
Noomi hated Destiny last week as hawkmoon wouldn't drop*
This is how I feel about it. It's more than a job now. It's a career.
Twilight Gap
Member
Players who invest an average of 10 minutes of their time to create a group are more invested in the quality of their teammates and more committed to the challenge of the content, especially if there are difficulties along the way. A matchmade group does not possess that screening process because it is designed to be as convenient and effortless as possible. This is the antithesis of the difficult end-game content such as Nightfalls and Raids, which are not effortless and rarely convenient, especially with the ever-growing list of glitches (of which Bungie ought to be fixing instead).
Destiny currently has no social search parameters and no anti-grief measures. Matchmaking without these things offers no way to filter your teammates and no way to deal with them once you have them. This means there is no accountability for matchmaking, no accountability for playing poorly, and no accountability for leaving. I don't care what you experience during your Raid, but I don't doubt for a second that matchmade groups on average will be less successful than pre-made groups with the current game's systems.
Sure, we can add all of those things and then add matchmaking, but the end-game content is not something you queue up for on a whim unless everybody knows exactly what they're doing. You will be dying often, especially if you've never done it, and matchmade groups are not obligated to hold your hand. In what world are Destiny randoms going to get on mic and teach the other team how to down Crota? I've been in Raids where teammates only had rare weapons. What matchmaking group is going to wait for them to go back to their vault and pick up better ones? Just as easy as it was to queue into a lobby, they'll hop right back out if the group is unfavorable - for any reason. There goes your Raid.
I'm not saying matchmaking is impossible, and I'm certainly not saying the current systems are ideal. However, I think it'd be a waste of developer resources at this point to design all of these systems for a part of the game that is not designed to be accessible. It's not a quick or effortless activity and it's not intended to be easy for the majority of the playerbase. That's part of makes it worth its salt as end-game content. If supporting that barrier for entry makes me an elitist, then I'm fine with it. I'd rather see a LFG board of sorts in a portion of the tower, but by the time that is implemented, the comet expansion will probably be out. At the rate Bungie patches the game, you'll be waiting a long time for matchmaking - longer than hopping on the internet and finding a group.
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