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http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/game-of-thrones-ending-season-5-producers-interview-1201469516/

Speaking of this, a new second interview where they say season 5 is "very much within the books for the most part". They also say the final scene is a book scene.

So that's gotta be either Dany in the desert, Kevan's assassination, or Jon's.

 

[ElTorro]

So that's gotta be either Dany in the desert, Kevan's assassination, or Jon's.

I would be totally shocked if it is not Jon.

 

[Pkaz01]

I just really, really doubt that her entire season is going to be one long training montage with no payoff.

Like, if I recall correctly, her last chapter in ADWD has her warg into a cat so she can pretend to be seeing with her eyes closed, and the Faceless Man training her is surprised by her apparent progress. wow much climax

That's her second to last chapter in ADWD. Her last chapter has her changing her face, and completing her first assassination. By that point she has already learned multiple languages, how to lie and detect lies, and has killed Dareon and lost/regained her sight.

That's a lot of progress from the beginning of a season to its end. Extremely unrealistic if they include all the stuff she learns in Feast and Dance. They might have to omit things if anything.

 

[ambientric]

Watching the season opener, reinforced that the bulk of the show is now carried by actors who are woefully miscast, not up to scratch or have been written into mediocrity.

Jon Snow... fixed expression "i am a small dog who has pissed on your rug"

Cersei... no matter the circumstance, i shall smirk slightly and flare my nostrils, in scenes of particular emotion i may also raise one or both eyebrows. Expect a combination of the above during my walk of lame.

Jamie... my character has made a harrowing journey from arrogant bastard to little bitch.

Daenarys... direct from the set of "Game of Bones", it's San Fernando Valleys only porn actress who refuses to get her tits out.

Littlefinger... expected to twirl his moustache and doff a top hat before the season is out.

Tyrion... from epic monologue to comedic relief, jokes about poo are hilarious...quick vomit scene for extra laffs !

Sansa...you don't get flawless skin from making facial expressions ! (actual age 36)

 

[Massa]

Watching the season opener, reinforced that the bulk of the show is now carried by actors who are woefully miscast, not up to scratch or have been written into mediocrity.

Jon Snow... fixed expression "i am a small dog who has pissed on your rug"

Cersei... no matter the circumstance, i shall smirk slightly and flare my nostrils, in scenes of particular emotion i may also raise one or both eyebrows. Expect a combination of the above during my walk of lame.

Jamie... my character has made a harrowing journey from arrogant bastard to little bitch.

Daenarys... direct from the set of "Game of Bones", it's San Fernando Valleys only porn actress who refuses to get her tits out.

Littlefinger... expected to twirl his moustache and doff a top hat before the season is out.

Tyrion... from epic monologue to comedic relief, jokes about poo are hilarious...quick vomit scene for extra laffs !

Sansa...you don't get flawless skin from making facial expressions ! (actual age 36)

Sounds like the show isn't for you.

 

[ZenTzen]

so to those that know, did they get rid of the Aegon targaryen stuff?

 

[bodyofanamerican]

so to those that know, did they get rid of the Aegon targaryen stuff?

I have no clue but have always thought that a) he's in and b) that he's Trystane Martell.

 

[biosnake20]

I'm willing to bet neither.

If I had to make a wild guess, it'd be Danaerys flying towards Westeros on the back of Drogon.

The Making of Game of Thrones blog had pics of a place that looks like where they filmed dothraki sea stuff previously. There were burned bones too.

 

[Speevy]

Watching the season opener, reinforced that the bulk of the show is now carried by actors who are woefully miscast, not up to scratch or have been written into mediocrity.

Jon Snow... fixed expression "i am a small dog who has pissed on your rug"

Cersei... no matter the circumstance, i shall smirk slightly and flare my nostrils, in scenes of particular emotion i may also raise one or both eyebrows. Expect a combination of the above during my walk of lame.

Jamie... my character has made a harrowing journey from arrogant bastard to little bitch.

Daenarys... direct from the set of "Game of Bones", it's San Fernando Valleys only porn actress who refuses to get her tits out.

Littlefinger... expected to twirl his moustache and doff a top hat before the season is out.

Tyrion... from epic monologue to comedic relief, jokes about poo are hilarious...quick vomit scene for extra laffs !

Sansa...you don't get flawless skin from making facial expressions ! (actual age 36)

I have criticized the acting on this show on more than one occasion, but I actually think the actors are pretty on-point in recent episodes.

The worst actors, who were Ros, Shae, and Bran are off the show.

The best actors this show ever had were Mark Addy, Charles Dance, and Rory Mccann, and you can't really get around the fact that they're gone, because the characters they played are gone in the books too.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I do not, unless they decide to give her only one three-minute scene every other episode. I think we're at least going to get her released TWOW chapter.

There's lots of stuff though!

That's her second to last chapter in ADWD. Her last chapter has her changing her face, and completing her first assassination. By that point she has already learned multiple languages, how to lie and detect lies, and has killed Dareon and lost/regained her sight.

See?

 

[Dysun]

I have criticized the acting on this show on more than one occasion, but I actually think the actors are pretty on-point in recent episodes.

The worst actors, who were Ros, Shae, and Bran are off the show.

The best actors this show ever had were Mark Addy, Charles Dance, and Rory Mccann, and you can't really get around the fact that they're gone, because the characters they played are gone in the books too.

Have to throw Emilia Clarke in with the worst actors, she's been awful since Season 1 ended.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Director Michael Slovis picks his five favorite scenes from the premiere

A few short posts on the Making Game of Thrones blog:
Storyboard of the premiere's final scene
"Two Girls Walk Through a Door"
4 Big Character Moments from the Premiere

 

[bodyofanamerican]

I have criticized the acting on this show on more than one occasion, but I actually think the actors are pretty on-point in recent episodes.

The worst actors, who were Ros, Shae, and Bran are off the show.

The best actors this show ever had were Mark Addy, Charles Dance, and Rory Mccann, and you can't really get around the fact that they're gone, because the characters they played are gone in the books too.

Honestly, you have to put Alfie Allen in here too. That guy has done so much with the iffy material he's been given.

 

[Brakke]

you gunna slag ros you and me gotta fight now

 

[Speevy]

Oh yeah, Alife Allen is excellent. He was even excellent in the dog scene, which is the worst thing anyone has ever put on film.

 

[Speevy]

you gunna slag ros you and me gotta fight now

 

[foxtrot3d]

Not a single mention of Sean Bean as Ned motherfuckin Stark? Dude played that role fantastically.

 

[Speevy]

Not a single mention of Sean Bean as Ned motherfuckin Stark? Dude played that role fantastically.

Fine acting, but as Robert Baratheon once said, too grim. I can respect his acting but I didn't have much fun with it.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Have to throw Emilia Clarke in with the worst actors, she's been awful since Season 1 ended.

Honestly, you have to put Alfie Allen in here too. That guy has done so much with the iffy material he's been given.

Yeah, Alfie is really good and Emilia is pretty bad.

Also Kit is pretty good when he's given semi-decent material, which has been pretty rare but has gotten better.

 

[ambientric]

I have criticized the acting on this show on more than one occasion, but I actually think the actors are pretty on-point in recent episodes.

The worst actors, who were Ros, Shae, and Bran are off the show.

The best actors this show ever had were Mark Addy, Charles Dance, and Rory Mccann, and you can't really get around the fact that they're gone, because the characters they played are gone in the books too.

I am trolling somewhat/being melodramatic, but still have the sinking feeling that a lot of season 6 is going to be devoted (by plot necessity) to characters/actors that create dead air.

Obviously the best are lost to us, but hoping that Stannis, Roose, Arya get significant screen-time to help cover the losses. Also i hear good things about the actor who plays the High Sparrow.

Anyone else concerned by the direction of the sand snakes, it feels a little Xena to me.

 

[Brakke]

Real talk that dead Ros shot kinda fucked me up for a little while. It's so sexy and so gross and I couldn't process it.

Also I'll always go to bat for Clarke playing the role exactly the way it should be played.

 

[Speevy]

I
Anyone else concerned by the direction of the sand snakes, it feels a little Xena to me.

This was not a good idea.

 

[Basileus777]

Anyone else concerned by the direction of the sand snakes, it feels a little Xena to me.

I'm concerned, but their portrayal in the books is pretty lame too. They are built in the same try-hard-edginess vein as the Darkstar.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Real talk that dead Ros shot kinda fucked me up for a little while. It's so sexy and so gross and I couldn't process it.

Also I'll always go to bat for Clarke playing the role exactly the way it should be played.

Yeah I'm in that boat as well.

 

[Brakke]

Yeah I'm in that boat as well.

u & me <3

 

[ambientric]

Possibly my favorite passages/sequences, of all the books, is the chapters leading to the siege of winterfell.

Mance Rayder's duplicity, the Northern Houses quarrels, Roose Bolton's growing impatience, Reek's transformation to Theon, Ramsay's slow unhinging, the torture of Jeyne, Stannis's death march through the snow, the Iron Banks late arrival, Theons escape, the Pink Letter.

It interweaved and connected to create a hypnotic spell of horror and from the page it felt almost transparent, gothic and ephemeral, truth hidden within the snowstorm.

As a reader you were never sure what was happening exactly, how each strand would come together, the water drip building of pressure and the escalating feeling of dread was GRMM at his most masterful.

Now, i would not expect the tv series to rise to the same heights and necessary simplifications need to be made, but the thought they may fail to capture the essential dread and horror is hollow... Rayder already dead ?, Sansa replacing Jeyne, Littlefinger involved...?

To carve up one of the books greatest parts and replace it with Xena Snakes, Cersei & Jamie's squabbling and Tyrion & Vary's jolly roadtrip...mmm well.

Hoping to be wrong !

 

[Speevy]

Dany is best when she plays a smart and charming woman, but when she tries to be authoritative, she either badly overacts or gives a completely laughable presence.

I would certainly yield to anyone with a huge army behind them, but Emilia Clarke's portrayal lacks what is necessary to bring her character into what it will be in the end game.

I have an even crazier tinfoil hat theory that they are turning Dany into the villain of the show so Jon will have someone to fight against in the end game.

However, I have no proof of that other than her losing all her power.

 

[Speevy]

Possibly my favorite passages/sequences, of all the books, is the chapters leading to the siege of winterfell.

Mance Rayder's duplicity, the Northern Houses quarrels, Roose Bolton's growing impatience, Reek's transformation to Theon, Ramsay's slow unhinging, the torture of Jeyne, Stannis's death march through the snow, the Iron Banks late arrival, Theons escape, the Pink Letter.

It interweaved and connected to create a hypnotic spell of horror and from the page it felt almost transparent, gothic and ephemeral, truth hidden within the snowstorm.

As a reader you were never sure what was happening exactly, how each strand would come together, the water drip building of pressure and the escalating feeling of dread was GRMM at his most masterful.

Now, i would not expect the tv series to rise to the same heights and necessary simplifications need to be made, but the thought they may fail to capture the essential dread and horror is hollow... Rayder already dead ?, Sansa replacing Jeyne, Littlefinger involved...?

To carve up one of the books greatest parts and replace it with Xena Snakes, Cersei & Jamie's squabbling and Tyrion & Vary's jolly roadtrip...mmm well.

Hoping to be wrong !

Dude...you realize what you just did, right?

 

["God's Beard!"]

Tyrion & Vary's jolly roadtrip...mmm well.
!

Everything about Tyrion's boat ride is shit except the chess game.

 

[kirblar]

Real talk that dead Ros shot kinda fucked me up for a little while. It's so sexy and so gross and I couldn't process it.

Also I'll always go to bat for Clarke playing the role exactly the way it should be played.

"Man Dany is so unlikable now"

No shit, she's fucking up left and right- you're not supposed to be happy with her.

 

[Brakke]

badly overplaying her hand and making totally un-credible plays at power are absolutely things Book Dany does too

Like this last ep. "When the snake lashes out you can cut off its head" or whatever. Sounds hollow af. Because it is hollow af, just some damn platitude. Dany has never not once cut the head off a snake in the show. She literally doesn't know what she's talking about.

 

[Atraveller]

Dany is best when she plays a smart and charming woman, but when she tries to be authoritative, she either badly overacts or gives a completely laughable presence.

I would certainly yield to anyone with a huge army behind them, but Emilia Clarke's portrayal lacks what is necessary to bring her character into what it will be in the end game.

I have an even crazier tinfoil hat theory that they are turning Dany into the villain of the show so Jon will have someone to fight against in the end game.

However, I have no proof of that other than her losing all her power.

Her lines are mostly angry when dealing with Slaver Bay matters, and she seemed to have a hard-on for fucking with the slaver masters too. Hard to like a character when her emotion range was limited to from always being semi-annoyed to being really mad. There's little room left for other aspects of her.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Dany is best when she plays a smart and charming woman, but when she tries to be authoritative, she either badly overacts or gives a completely laughable presence.

I would certainly yield to anyone with a huge army behind them, but Emilia Clarke's portrayal lacks what is necessary to bring her character into what it will be in the end game.

I have an even crazier tinfoil hat theory that they are turning Dany into the villain of the show so Jon will have someone to fight against in the end game.

However, I have no proof of that other than her losing all her power.

Not to crazy of theory, especially when looking at the books. Her whole ADWD arc was between choosing peace or war, Hizdar or Darrio. Her internal monologue near the end of her chapters, saying how she thinks that the peace has failed, even though it has actually worked, which is now undermined due to the Batte of Meereen and what led up to that. Her last chapter is her deciding to use Fire and Blood. She is also going to be going to Westeros with Dothraki screamers and Ironborn vikings, along with the fearless unsullied and three Dragons. Also her right hand man will probably be Tyrion, who the people of Westeros think killed the previous King and his dad.

 

[badcrumble]

Not to crazy of theory, especially when looking at the books. Her whole ADWD arc was between choosing peace or war, Hizdar or Darrio. Her internal monologue near the end of her chapters, saying how she thinks that the peace has failed, even though it has actually worked, which is now undermined due to the Batte of Meereen and what led up to that. Her last chapter is her deciding to use Fire and Blood. She is also going to be going to Westeros with Dothraki screamers and Ironborn vikings, along with the fearless unsullied and three Dragons. Also her right hand man will probably be Tyrion, who the people of Westeros think killed the previous King and his dad.

I've always kinda hoped that at least one of the seeming protagonists of the story would end up being a major villain by the end, yeah.

 

[Speevy]

And Tyrion will put a sword through her back just as she's saying "Burn them all."

Like poetry, so that it rhymes.

I'm a terrible writer.

 

[RedShift]

And Tyrion will put a sword through her back just as she's saying "Burn them all."

Like poetry, so that it rhymes.

I'm a terrible writer.

It's gonna be great.

 

[WorldStar]

i just tried watching season 1 episode 1 tonight but couldn't get through it

goddamn was it boring

might try to stick with it given all the praise it gets but yeah, i really didn't feel it all

only reason i'd consider a reattempt is cuz i'm a huge fan of some HBO series

just finished a re-watch of Generation Kill yesterday and recently finished season 1 of True Detective

both series were, from the start, infinitely more interesting than this

 

[Ratrat]

At the core of it, GRRM does not really seem like a man keen on writing homosexual relationships, preferring innuendo and and thinly veiled references to any actual substance. I'm not claiming that Loras is depicted well on the show- far from it, actually- but at least homosexuality can't be ignored like it is in the book.

This is an author who portrays a gay king as a flamboyant fop who dresses his knights in rainbows and fucks his finest knight. It's fair to say subtle portrayals of homosexuality are WAY down his list of priorities. JonCon is better, I guess, but his homosexuality is barely even text.

So wrong.

Loras is awful on the show. He's defined by his stupidity and sexuality which are made to result in: Renly's death, Tywin trying to blackmail Olena, revealing Tyrell plots to prostitutes employed by Littlefinger and eventually(from what we see in season 5 previews) his demise because he can't be discreet. He's an unlikable idiot, his relationship with Renly felt shallow and his sexuality is treated as like a flaw.

In the books he's completely dedicated to Renly(and Marg) that he goes suicidal and celibate after his death. His relationship with those two characters has way more depth with much fewer words. So yeah, Id take one of the finest knights in the seven kingdoms who happened to love Renly over the idiotic useless whore archetype Tyrell blight

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I wouldn't be surprised if Arya's going blind is her cliffhanger with someone else playing the Dareon role. By someone else I mean

Spoiler

Meryn Trant

since we know what's happening there already.

 

[Speevy]

i just tried watching season 1 episode 1 tonight but couldn't get through it

goddamn was it boring

might try to stick with it given all the praise it gets but yeah, i really didn't feel it all

only reason i'd consider a reattempt is cuz i'm a huge fan of some HBO series

just finished a re-watch of Generation Kill yesterday and recently finished season 1 of True Detective

both series were, from the start, infinitely more interesting than this

You are totally in the wrong thread.

 

[Paganmoon]

I would be totally shocked if it is not Jon.

Still don't think it'll work having Jon as the final scene of the season. They won't be able to keep the casting a secret from the non-book readers. I think we'll see it ep 8 or 9 or early next season, so the resurrection happens within the same season.

Purple wedding happened Ep3, so JonStab could happen Ep2-3 of season 6.

 

[eot]

I do not, unless they decide to give her only one three-minute scene every other episode. I think we're at least going to get her released TWOW chapter.

I couldn't disagree more. Last season had Arya doing all of nothing except in the final episode. It was all fluff. Her AFfC/ADwD arc is that, an arc. Stuff happens and her character changes. I think fitting it into one season would be rushing it because those chapters emphasise what a slow process her training is. It's not a 3 month assassin crash course.

 

[Basileus777]

We'll end the season with Varys killing Kevan and proclaiming that the true Queen of Westeros is about to return. Believe.


With no Mereenese knot or Young Griff, there's little stopping the show from getting her out of Essos relatively quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the siege of Mereen out completely and just left it an internal conflict against the Harpies.

 

[Jigorath]

Dany gonna roll into Westeros with an army of savage rapist Dothraki, a dragon she can barely control, and a kingslayer as her adviser. The true queen of Westeros about to get a very rude awakening when she finds out that nobody actually wants a return to Targaryen dynasty.

 

[foxtrot3d]

i just tried watching season 1 episode 1 tonight but couldn't get through it

goddamn was it boring

might try to stick with it given all the praise it gets but yeah, i really didn't feel it all

only reason i'd consider a reattempt is cuz i'm a huge fan of some HBO series

just finished a re-watch of Generation Kill yesterday and recently finished season 1 of True Detective

both series were, from the start, infinitely more interesting than this

First, YOU'RE IN THE WRONG THREAD. BAIL OUT NOW!

Second, stick with it trust me.

 

[Basileus777]

Dany gonna roll into Westeros with an army of savage rapist Dothraki, a dragon she can barely control, and a kingslayer as her adviser. The true queen of Westeros about to get a very rude awakening when she finds out that nobody actually wants a return to Targaryen dynasty.

There are no Dothraki left in the show, and Dorne will probably join her. I can't see where else they lead the Dornish storyline without FAegon.

 

[eot]

There are no Dothraki left in the show, and Dorne will probably join her. I can't see where else they lead the Dornish storyline without FAegon.

Khal whoever still exists in the show, it's not like the entire horde followed Dany into the desert.

 

[Basileus777]

Khal whoever still exists in the show, it's not like the entire horde followed Dany into the desert.

We'll probably never see them again though.

 

[NeoGiff]

I'm trying to eat here, NeoGiff.

I want a full GRRM-esque description of what you ate and how, along with the sensations of the food and drink. Then, tell me about your observations of turtles.

 

[Valhelm]

It sounds like I'm probably getting some details wrong, heh. But the really big obsession with sex crimes happen around the same time as the medieval witch hunts (which was in large part about shutting down local abortionists). I'm getting this from Silvia Federici's "Caliban and the Witch" - it's about the witch hunts and their ties to the peasant rebellions.

I'm pretty skeptical. Federici isn't a historian, and her identification as a radical marxist feminist makes me want to take her views with a few shakes of salt.

Overtly politicized history, especially by amateurs, is rarely very reliable.