I've been laughing for ten minutes now.
It took me a bit of time to see it too.
Should I listen?
The Black Culture Thread |OT11| In This Salon, Everyone Gets A Perm
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I've been laughing for ten minutes now.
It took me a bit of time to see it too.
Should I listen?
I would not have been as kind.
Wait a minute, there are pools in Africa? I never saw one. Maybe you lack the neccesary skills to handle one and its business in your DNA?.
i should learn to swim one day
FeenixRising
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chertipros
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I know I'm biased but as a Haitian person myself I was extremely glad to see my history and my people represented in well....something. I agree that the execution wasn't the best but at the end of the day it was still an assassins creed game and was bound to suffer from similar problems. But the lead and subject matter for this game was a big risk for Ubisoft and for even trying they have my respect.
Adewales Kreyol was terrible though
Luckily for me my Somalian people are represented alot in all forms of media...as greedy bloodthirsty pirates.
Even that one episode in deadliest warrior.
The only time my parents were pissed and glad at the same time cos the pirate won.
RPGs are better than most things.
I came into the thread expecting everyone to talk about the San Andreas "I don't know why/can't relate" LTTP thread, and instead I come upon this. Brilliant.
I should fuck around in some Smash "For Glory" and use the tags "CHECK", "MY", "MIXTAPE", "OUT", "FAM". Surprisingly, a lot of people like that stuff and reply with their own tags. :lol
Man, I loved Freedom Cry. I had so much fun killing slavemasters and overseers that I ended up getting all the best stuff after only doing two story missions. I've wanted a Nat Turner game (and 300-style movie) for years and this was the closest to fulfilling what I've been dreaming about.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
You did good Imm0rt4l. But I've seen your arms, kinda surprised he didn't shit his pants.
Professor Beef
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Just imagining Imm0rt4l rising up on me ready to strike has me wanting to go tell my mom I love her.
Well, that thread got interesting...
sooperkool
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On one hand yes, on the other...nah, just more of the same from the same.
"Buh, buh, buh, what about what he did...." to justify racism and every other ism.
andthebeatgoeson
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Walk along the street. Look in another direction. Dress any way. Still get verbally harassed every 5 minutes. I'm being facetious.
But I was in mexico. Wasn't really fully sure how safe I was. Felt that my harassers were largely harmless but had more anxiety than normal.
I'm just confused as to why? Was it that Norte Americano vibe, or were you just carrying a $ign that said "Hotboy walkin"?
andthebeatgoeson
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No, it was to sell me anything. Nothing sexual. It was a lot of time share promotions and cab rides. It was kind of exhausting. It's hard to fully know what it's like to be female so I asked my wife and she agreed it was like verbal harassment females get all the time. We are black and obviously not from Mazatlan, MX.
We started wearing hats and sun glasses every where and ask day and night to avoid eye contact. Sometimes we slipped by due to having brown skin.
Maybe I'm not conveying myself well.
how did a thread about some fool getting in the way of a demonstration lead to this?
Alligatorjandro
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people cant control their racist urges
I feel you. yeah you must have had that rich, 'not from around here' look.
Normally I would say activate your aggressive step and angry black man attributes, but down there, you never know the level of desperation, you might end up stepping to someone who is in greater need than you are.
time in the ether turned you into an animu, I see.
FeenixRising
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The GTA: SA thread is going just how I thought it would
"Can't relate"
"Can't relate"
Alligatorjandro
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god works in mysterious ways
I never should've started posting. People get real obtuse when it comes to anything related to race. I'm the "real racist" because I recognize that when people say thug or thug life that they are referring to stereotypically black behavior. Gaslighting is wild.
sure is
You clearly followed me for a reason, so what is it?
Holyshit man, my mouth just slowly hung open while i read that post. dude had no shame.
people were complaining about not discussing the game there and going off-topic, and I had a feeling you'd come here to talk shit about people that were barely defending themselves against racism accusations
you can't talk about gaslighting when your first post was this:
this is gaslighting:
how is that not what you were doing when accusing people who don't like san andreas' setting into being racists or ommiting saying they don't like the game because it stars a black character?
I actually kinda get what your original point was or at least I think it could have been presented in a better way? maybe if you have like, a problem with the game itself?
but going after people saying they don't care for the thug life 90s hip hop hood gangbanging stuff being virtually identical to them not wanting to play as a black character or having a problem against black people is just dumb, man, and I know this is a forum and all but it's a bummer when shit gets crossed for no reason
I think you got too caught up with the THUG LIFE stuff as a meme with the little kids with guns and all as you mentioned, and I dont think anyone was talking about it that way before
They link that original SA thread yet?
He obviously wanted to talk about Black on Black Crime
No one called you racist. The second people start discussing commonly-understood instances where race is a factor, some people get defensive and talk about how they were called racist. At no point did I say or suggest that anyone was racist. Bringing up the fact that people use coded language to avoid saying the word black isn't the same as saying that someone is racist. If someone is actually racist, I have absolutely no problem calling them racist. Unlike the people who use thug to "coincidentally" describe the only black character in the series, I don't need to hide behind innocuous language.
this is gaslighting:
Because I never said that. Stop making shit up and come at me with an actual point. If they don't like the setting, then they should say that they don't like the fucking setting, not say "I don't like the thug life culture" or however else they want to dance around just saying that they aren't fans of stereotypical black culture. Hell, just say "I don't like the 90's hip-hop style" or some shit.
If someone doesn't like the game, why is it hard for them to give their reasons for liking the game beyond, "I can't relate" or "I don't like the culture"?
First of all, I didn't go after a single person, you and others got offended by me responding to something else and took it upon yourselves to do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify one using thug as a pejorative against CJ while simultaneously singing the praises of Vice City's protagonist, who is the textbook definition of thug.
I didn't get caught up with anything. I know what people mean when they use coded language to describe a black character and I said something about it, which offended you and others.
I guess we just disagree that describing someone as a Thug or saying Thug Life isnt the same as saying "black person" or making a comment about stereotypical black behaviour. I dont think anyone was doing that.
thugs and what's represented in San Andreas/Franklin's side of GTAV definetly exist, and not all black people are that, so I dont think there's any wrong doing or tiptoing if you wanna refer to the former and you just say it, is just what im saying I guess? I dont see how saying "I didnt care for the setting and whole Thug Life hood aspect" is somehow a way of avoiding saying "I don't like black characters", or even worth pointing out? that first post kinda came out of nowhere and seemed pretty agressive to me. Like I really don't get where you got that "people don't wanna say Thug = Black" part from your post other than projecting
if you have an issue with the use of the word thug then that goes elsewhere cause like it or not it did become a word to refer to that sorta thing rather than what the textbook defitnition is. you can't hold specific people to that
nevermind, think im making myself clear but maybe im not
it's all good, and sorry for accusing you of calling people racist
thugs and what's represented in San Andreas/Franklin's side of GTAV definetly exist, and not all black people are that, so I dont think there's any wrong doing or tiptoing if you wanna refer to the former and you just say it, is just what im saying I guess? I dont see how saying "I didnt care for the setting and whole Thug Life hood aspect" is somehow a way of avoiding saying "I don't like black characters", or even worth pointing out? that first post kinda came out of nowhere and seemed pretty agressive to me. Like I really don't get where you got that "people don't wanna say Thug = Black" part from your post other than projecting
if you have an issue with the use of the word thug then that goes elsewhere cause like it or not it did become a word to refer to that sorta thing rather than what the textbook defitnition is. you can't hold specific people to that
nevermind, think im making myself clear but maybe im not
it's all good, and sorry for accusing you of calling people racist
sooperkool
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Having seen the movie Gaslight, thats not what "gaslighting" means to me *shrug*
sooperkool
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GTFO, saying "thug", "urban" is the white america code word for "Black" which itself is sometimes code for "Nigger".
To act like you don't understand this is both disingenuous and insulting because I for one don't believe you're that stupid.
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I mean, by certain real shitty people sure? I just think assuming that of everyone is a bit much
thugs and thug culture do exist, and it's very clearly what San Andreas is about. Going about it thinking anyone who refers to that is afraid of saying black people is kinda silly. They're refering to a thing that is real and that the whole game is based on. I see no reason to bring race or saying "lol you're just afraid of saying black" when the characters refer to themselves as thugs every chance they get, so why not the players?
Yeah, people who keep their heads in the sand as far as race is concerned will think that there's no way that certain words can have different connotations depending on the context.
I have never seen a single person say that they dislike GTA 3 or Vice City because the characters were thugs or they didn't like the thug culture being presented but that argument is made every single time San Andreas is brought up, despite the fact that, as I said, every GTA protagonist is the textbook definition of a thug.
The fact that you understand that there are deviations from the actual definition should tell you that it has something to do with race. Why has it become ok to only talk about thugs or thug life when discussing black people? It's amazing that you can say "it has become a word that refers to that sorta thing" but you can't see how that is a problem or that it has something to do with race.
dude, im totally with you on that; im just saying people were merely repeating what the game itself states. like I said, having a problem with the word THUG deviating into a word that's meant to refer to black people is fine, but calling people out as if they were willingly part of that issue when they are merely repeating what the game does is kinda unnecessary and misguided
sooperkool
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No, its reality. You will be far more successful at most encounters with white america if you start from the premise that you are dealing with racism (smoetimes unintentional). I've got 45 years of empirical data to back me up.
So, stick to your pie-in-the-sky beliefs and i will stick to living in this world.
well, okay then
Every fucking GTA is about that. At most, the people in San Andreas call themselves gangsters, no one in the game says that they're thugs. If you want to talk about projecting, look at what you're doing here. Also, if people are just blindly repeating words that they don't understand, then they more than anyone else need to be told that what they're saying can have a different meaning than they think.
well, not really. Check out the language in the games and it's not like every GTA character refers to themselves and the world as the same. The use of the word thug and that sorta thing is much more used in san andreas than in other games. and yeah people associate thug = gangaster = hood = gangbanging, etc. that might be a problem but it's besides this particular case.
again; I think you're right having an issue with the deviation of the word, and I think it's fine to make people see that and make them understand that by repeating it without thinking they're not helping, or whatever it is you want to say, but assuming everyone who uses it is willingly and knowingly tiptoing around saying "black people" is looking hard into something that in my opinion might not be there, man
it just came out as agressive. just trying to make you see why people got worked up about the accusations
Professor Beef
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i thought gaslighting had to do with stoves
Lil'DigiOp
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Sups
figured Id like to start posting in a community thread, why not the perfect one.
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figured Id like to start posting in a community thread, why not the perfect one.
Where you're from - Born in NY, Raised in VA
Where you live - Richmond currently
What is your age? - 22
Your cultural heritage, lineage and genealogy - Half Panamanian , half Jamaican. Black on the Police Report
Do you know your roots - I need to read about the Moors
Favorite musical genre - Love mostly everything but favs are HipHop, Neo Soul, Deep House
Your profession/major/career interest - I double as a recording engineer, working on making in my profession
Your religious affiliation - I think religion is distracting, spirituality is more real.
Hobbies - Recording, Mixing & Mastering, Gaming, Tech, anything with wires I guess
KFC, Popeye's, Churches, or Bojangles? - Im at the point in my life where Id honestly rather fry my own chicken
Prototype Viktor
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andthebeatgoeson
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Salsa, let's not ignore the disingenuous people who can play Pokemon, all types of fantastical bs (monkeys, elves, blue things), blobs, miniature dinosaurs but have trouble 'relating' to a black thug.
Like, really? That's the argument you pick? In video games? Sure, I can't prove they are racist but that's a dumb argument in video games. And it's happening more during a time when we are having better conversations about race. A lot of people play games and enjoy them when they can't relate to the main character.
And San Andreas has a history. It was too brown and a thug you couldn't relate to after the first few games with infinitely more relatable characters, like mute guy.
Just a terrible argument at face value.
Like, really? That's the argument you pick? In video games? Sure, I can't prove they are racist but that's a dumb argument in video games. And it's happening more during a time when we are having better conversations about race. A lot of people play games and enjoy them when they can't relate to the main character.
And San Andreas has a history. It was too brown and a thug you couldn't relate to after the first few games with infinitely more relatable characters, like mute guy.
Just a terrible argument at face value.
chertipros
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Welcome girlfriendofagamer
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Brother I know how it feels to be misrepresented in the media. Growing up, none of the neighborhood kids fucked with us because they thought we all practiced voodoo ;_;Luckily for me my Somalian people are represented alot in all forms of media...as greedy bloodthirsty pirates.
Even that one episode in deadliest warrior.
The only time my parents were pissed and glad at the same time cos the pirate won.
RPGs are better than most things.
FeenixRising
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"girlfriendofagamer"?
what's your story? caught your s/o posting on GAF too much so you had to check out what's so special about it?
And I have a serious question brehs:
People always talk about the GOAT MJ album, but what about Janet?
Control? Rhythm Nation? Janet? Velvet Rope?
andthebeatgoeson
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Kyrie is styling on Boston. And Bron just needs to shave his head.
Goat Janet is janet but that's because I was getting freaky at that time. That cover plus anytime, anyplace? Lawd
Goat Janet is janet but that's because I was getting freaky at that time. That cover plus anytime, anyplace? Lawd
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