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[Frantic]

It's a definite change to the move though not a big one.

Yeah, it's not a massive change, but it's a change nonetheless. I would say that it's at least proof they're tweaking Nero/Dante some, and not just leaving them completely as is.

Gives me hope that they'll have no height restriction on their moves and stuff.

 

[Azure J]

Praise be to Based Itsuno, Neo_G and the DMC team.

I anticipate the day when we get a Shippu Jinrai Kyaku, Misogi, Rolling Thunder, Kikoken or Seichusen Godanzuki.

Instant GoAT status.

 

[OniBaka]

but I would have liked it if Rising Dragon was performable without a full "charge" like it was in DMC3.

I think that's my only issue with it.

 

[GuardianE]

Also, a quick comparison...


There's definitely a change there, since he goes at least one extra spin's worth of distance, which gives me hope that Nero and Dante have legitimate changes to their moves/properties.

That's a helpful demonstration. Man, I wish the video were clearer.

I'm hoping the mid-spin pause either allows him to cancel the Streak or redirect the Streak so it changes direction. That would give it a little similarity to how Vergil's DT Rapid Slash moves in three directions back and forth.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

It's legit, man. Stagger H & S, and that's the DJHoushen.

My incoming mixup was:
HSHSHSHSHSH(Opponent not push blocking) HSHSHSHS (Opponent push blocks) Stinger xx(Belt Swords) HSHSHSHSHS. Throw in a hidden missile assist every now and then.
Massive Kappa face
No friends
Let's play Skullgirls instead BibleThump

 

[Akiller]

Youtube link for Lady and Trish gameplay.

Is that Itsuno's voice commenting the gameplay?

Lady's style meter be like

Spoiler

/s

So, Trish's DT is just a yellow Umbran Climax mode.

I need more videogameplay.

 

[Azure J]

My incoming mixup was:
HSHSHSHSHSH(Opponent not push blocking) HSHSHSHS (Opponent push blocks) Stinger xx(Belt Swords) HSHSHSHSHS. Throw in a hidden missile assist every now and then.
Massive Kappa face
No friends
Let's play Skullgirls instead BibleThump

My incoming mixup was:

Do the absolute smartest shit possible with Dante
Dude comes in with Helm Breaker
Eject Disc xx "Buff Dante!"

Spoiler

Kappa

 

[BBboy20]

Anybody else have a recent desire to use Motivated memes whenever somebody mentions motivation?

 

[Mizerman]

Anybody else have a recent desire to use Motivated memes whenever somebody mentions motivation?

You're not alone on that.

 

[Frantic]

I noticed that they have the "Devil Trigger full" sound from DMC1 whenever Vergil creates a Sword Formation. It's been a while since I heard that sound.

My incoming mixup was:

Do the absolute smartest shit possible with Dante
Dude comes in with Helm Breaker
Eject Disc xx "Buff Dante!"

Spoiler

Kappa

that's how it was in vanilla, except replace "dude comes in with Helm Breaker" for "dude comes in with Hammer".

dante players once had it good, man.

 

[GuardianE]

that's how it was in vanilla, except replace "dude comes in with Helm Breaker" for "dude comes in with Hammer".

dante players once had it good, man.

I think he's talking about Vergil's 10 frame Helm Breaker on incoming.

 

[GalacticAE]

Looks like I was wrong about lady. I thought she'd be doing long range combos and stuff. What a missed opportunity for a cool character.

 

[GuardianE]

Looks like I was wrong about lady. I thought she'd be doing long range combos and stuff. What a missed opportunity for a cool character.

Come on, man. Have a little faith. There's so much left to explore with her. Can't you tell from the few moves that they showed? That video was them mostly spamming DT grenades and rockets from a mile away. They didn't even show any aerial attacks at all.

They showed us nothing of the character and I'm already excited about what she can cancel to and from grapple, and what other grapple variants she has. Her grapple is basically Hightime from a half screen away.

 

[SargerusBR]

Here you go

 

[Frantic]

I think he's talking about Vergil's 10 frame Helm Breaker on incoming.

I know. I was just saying that Dante players used to do the same with frame 4/9 invincible Hammer. They took it away from Dante and gave it to Vergil instead, and now Dante's gotta deal with that shit, too, while being unable to do the same. He used to have it so good.

Vergil's Helm Breaker is 13 frame startup, btw. /memorizedallvergilsframedata

 

[ezekial45]

So how many Street Fight references are there in this game? Dante has Shin-Shoryuken, Vergil has Shoryureppa, and Trish has the Spinning Bird Kick. Are there anymore?

Btw, can anyone gif the Trish's SBK?

 

[MegaPanda]

Gilgamesh has both of these too:

 

[GuardianE]

I know. I was just saying that Dante players used to do the same with frame 4/9 invincible Hammer. They took it away from Dante and gave it to Vergil instead, and now Dante's gotta deal with that shit, too, while being unable to do the same. He used to have it so good.

Vergil's Helm Breaker is 13 frame startup, btw. /memorizedallvergilsframedata

Oh, gotcha. That'd work better if Hammer was also an option select air throw. And if Dante actually got anything decent off an air throw solo.

Damn, it is 13 frames. I don't know why I thought Vergil's Helm Breaker was 10 frames. I could have sworn it was.

 

[Dahbomb]

So how many Street Fight references are there in this game? Dante has Shin-Shoryuken, Vergil has Shoryureppa, and Trish has the Spinning Bird Kick. Are there anymore?

Btw, can anyone gif the Trish's SBK?

Real Impact is Ryu's super.

Meteor is a one handed Hadoken.

Tornado off of Real Impact are the Hurricane Kicks from SF.

Nero has Final Atomic Buster as a Devil Bringer move on Gold Angelos.

Rising Sun is sort of like a Flash Kick.

 

[GalacticAE]

Come on, man. Have a little faith. There's so much left to explore with her. Can't you tell from the few moves that they showed? That video was them mostly spamming DT grenades and rockets from a mile away. They didn't even show any aerial attacks at all.

They showed us nothing of the character and I'm already excited about what she can cancel to and from grapple, and what other grapple variants she has. Her grapple is basically Hightime from a half screen away.

Yea true we havent seen everything. I'm excited to see what you guys come up with when the game comes out.

Speaking of SF stuff in DMC im pretty sure Royal Guard looks like Fei Long's super turbo blocking stance too. Also pandora argument might be an homage to Dr Wiley.

 

[GuardianE]

Rising Sun is sort of like a Flash Kick.

Rising Sun is totally Rugal's GENOCIDE CUTTAH. Which Charlie borrowed in SFV, apparently.

 

[BadWolf]

Also pretty sure that Dancing Macabre finisher is a reference to the Home Run god reel from God Hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ySJb8lsbHHA#t=16

Nero's Table Hopper dodges also look like Gene's side dodges.

 

[Sgblues]

Nero also does T-Hawk's Mexican Typhoon and Vega's Rolling Izuna drop.

 

[OniBaka]

I think Dante plays too much street fighter.

 

[Mizerman]

I think Dante plays too much street fighter.

I like to think that Dante has laid back conversations with Ken.

 

[The Silver]

I'm down with somehow bringing Gene into the DMC verse.

since God Hand will never get a sequel this is the next best thing

 

[OniBaka]

I like to think that Dante has laid back conversations with Ken.

Judging from Dantes VA, Capcom said "Dante Ken, same"

 

[Dahbomb]

I like to think that Dante has laid back conversations with Ken.

Ken is actually just Dante in cosplay.

 

[BadWolf]

I'm down with somehow bringing Gene into the DMC verse.

since God Hand will never get a sequel this is the next best thing

His moves are so well animated/motion captured that they can just stick them on a new gen character model and call it a day, so it wouldn't be much work either.

Capcom did remember to put him up for consideration for UMVC3 iirc.

It would seriously be the best thing ever.

 

[Mizerman]

Ken is actually just Dante in cosplay.

Ha!

Knowing Dante, he'd probably do it just for kicks.

Judging from Dantes VA, Capcom said "Dante Ken, same"

Add Masamune in the mix.

 

[TreIII]

His moves are so well animated/motion captured that they can just stick them on a new gen character model and call it a day, so it wouldn't be much work either.

Capcom did remember to put him up for consideration for UMVC3 iirc.

It would seriously be the best thing ever.

Shoot, at this rate, why the hell not?


Also, re: all the SF talk. Been a while but didn't Dante have his own version of the "Sakura Otoshi" back in 3?

 

[GuardianE]

Also, re: all the SF talk. Been a while but didn't Dante have his own version of the "Sakura Otoshi" back in 3?

You mean The Hammer? I guess the animation is similar, though Sakura jumps forward when she does it.

 

[GalacticAE]

Dante also has that Shoma Sawamura baseball swing combo finisher.

 

[TreIII]

You mean The Hammer? I guess the animation is similar, though Sakura jumps forward when she does it.

That's the one~!

 

[OniBaka]

That's the one~!

That's more like dbz style though.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Does anyone know where I can watch the entire thing?

The youtube link doesn't show Vergil stuff and it seems to cut - away from Trish after like, 10 seconds.


edit, nevermind. didn't notice there was a part two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UQ...e40-22ff-448d-95f9-a7d408cad439&feature=cards

 

[Permanently A]

My god you guys... I've just been watching 20 minutes of Vergil gameplay...

Its just... its so goddamn beautiful. Words can't fully encapsulate the childlike glee that this inspires in me. I just...

 

[That Dude John]

I wonder if most of the tweaks on Dante and Nero will be like how that exceed move was altered, in the sense that most of the changes would involve giving their attacks more horizontal movement to combat the hordes. With Trish, Lady, and especially Vergil, they all seem to have attacks that a) hit a surprisingly large area, b) cause the character to traverse a fair amount if ground while attacking or c) both. It feels like they were designed for Legendary Dark Knight mode.

How good was Dante/Nero's crowd control in DMC4?

 

[Sectus]

I wonder if most of the tweaks on Dante and Nero will be like how that exceed move was altered, in the sense that most of the changes would involve giving their attacks more horizontal movement to combat the hordes. With Trish, Lady, and especially Vergil, they all seem to have attacks that a) hit a surprisingly large area, b) cause the character to traverse a fair amount if ground while attacking or c) both. It feels like they were designed for Legendary Dark Knight mode.

How good was Dante/Nero's crowd control in DMC4?

I have been thinking when seeing a lot of the new footage that they've been designing some stuff in mind for LDK mode.

I played through LDK a half year ago and the majority of Nero's and Dante's movesets doesn't really work when fighting that many enemies, so you end up sticking to a smaller set of moves. And that's one big reason why the mode ends up feeling like a gimmick.

 

[Dahbomb]

Nero is fine on LDK mode but Dante has issues. Like 90% of his movelist is rendered useless.

And yeah LDK mode is a gimmick. Basically turns the game into a Musou, enemies don't really have that much health so its easy to tear through them.

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

As a Nero player, holy shit! Those perfect Max Exceeds. How!? What? Spooby Pls BibleThump.

Late, but that's just what Super Nero does. You get automatic max exceeds with him.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

Ken is actually just Dante in cosplay.

Dat voice actor conspiracy

Nero is fine on LDK mode but Dante has issues. Like 90% of his movelist is rendered useless.

And yeah LDK mode is a gimmick. Basically turns the game into a Musou, enemies don't really have that much health so its easy to tear through them.

Pretty much

Late, but that's just what Super Nero does. You get automatic max exceeds with him.

Yeah I'm brain farting, I mean Max-acts.

 

[Seyavesh]

yeah but
fireworks in ldk

(does NOTHING IT DOES NOTHING WHYYYY)

 

[PensivePen]

Don't think this footage has been posted here yet.

https://youtu.be/JQ7c6nlmpek?t=9m

Not really anything new, but the linked part at around 9 minutes is rather odd, as Vergil's Sword Rain seems to freeze Berial's animation. It kinda looks like a bug, but perhaps it's intentional behavior.

 

[BadWolf]

Don't think this footage has been posted here yet.

https://youtu.be/JQ7c6nlmpek?t=9m

Not really anything new, but the linked part at around 9 minutes is rather odd, as Vergil's Sword Rain seems to freeze Berial's animation. It kinda looks like a bug, but perhaps it's intentional behavior.

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that that move stops the enemy in their tracks for a moment?

Seems it works on bosses too.

 

[GuardianE]

Don't think this footage has been posted here yet.

https://youtu.be/JQ7c6nlmpek?t=9m

Not really anything new, but the linked part at around 9 minutes is rather odd, as Vergil's Sword Rain seems to freeze Berial's animation. It kinda looks like a bug, but perhaps it's intentional behavior.

It seems deliberate to me. The same thing happens on regular downed enemies. It's surprising that it also works on bosses, though.

 

[XxSlasherMcGirkxX]

Does LDK mode have difficulty settings? Is it even hard?

 

[Kaleinc]

Does LDK mode have difficulty settings? Is it even hard?

It is a difficulty setting.
Enemies have less health than on normal and are basically cannon fodder.

 

[RecursiveFault]

Does LDK mode have difficulty settings? Is it even hard?

As stated, it's a difficulty mode. It's most comparable to Son of Sparda in terms of things like damage taken and bosses, probably.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

It seems deliberate to me. The same thing happens on regular downed enemies. It's surprising that it also works on bosses, though.

I thought it was slightly altered boss fights. Seems good to me anyway.