Devil May Cry 4 SE: Vergil, Trish & Lady Playable, Release Date 18th of June
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threelights
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The only thing I dislike in Lady is that she'll never look as cool as she did in DMC3 again. Even the pre-order costumes for DMC4 doesn't look as cool on her (and I'm not even talking about the bigger boobs either)...
Shared moves with modifications are fine. I'm a huge advocate of them, in fact. I think that's part of why Vergil is the paradigm of the perfect rival. But it looks like Million Stab is functionally the same.
badcrumble
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I want their *combat* moves to be as different as possible, but basic traversal stuff should feel similar, IMO. Like I wouldn't enjoy each character having a different run speed or jump height.
Today I completed DMC (Definitive Edition), my first DMC after finishing DMC1 and DMC2 years ago on PS2/ PS3. Was Virgil a thing at that time? Just asking because I didn´t like him at all and especially his DLC was pretty tedious (his moves just weren´t that much fun for me compared to Dante). Is he some kind of fan favorite (really out of touch with the DMC fanbase)?
Still disappointed that Vergil no longer has Rising Sun as a move he can just use, and instead is forced to be in DT and use Lunar Phase first. I feel like they did that because Dante's got Rising Sun at the end of DT Kick 13, so they wanted Vergil to be the same... it's just weird since Trish has it as a normal move, from what it looks like.
Maybe they were having some issues with the charging aspect of it? Or Itsuno just wanted Vergil to do a Shoryureppa, which is probably the actual answer.
Maybe they were having some issues with the charging aspect of it? Or Itsuno just wanted Vergil to do a Shoryureppa, which is probably the actual answer.
DMC3 is where Vergil popularity exploded, so it looks like you never experienced it. DmC Vergil is a goober by comparison. You owe it to yourself to play DMC3. It's one of the greatest action games ever made and it still holds up today.
DmC Vergil came after DMC 3 Vergil. In fact alot of story beats in DmC are cribed from DMC3 Vergil.
I am of the opinion that DmC Vergil isn't nearly as good as DMC 3 Vergil, but I honestly find them to be the weakest characters in the franchise regardless of the universe.
I see where you're coming from but fundamental differences like that tend to have a big effect so I appreciate them.
DMC3 Vergil and the way his story is handled there is amazing.
Huge fan favorite.
His theme (music) from there alone is a big deal.
Vergil became popular after DMC3 and then again after UMVC3. People got thirsty for more classic Vergil and thus he returns in DMC4SE.
Point, but I veer more towards Dahbomb's viewpoint on this: visually similar but functionally different moves are A-OK in my book. Or at least, so long as they aren't TOO numerous, heh.
And I'm still thinking that what we see Vergil with now may even be more fully-fleshed out and different if we are due to see him again in the next game.
Yup, DMC3 is basically three badasses being made look like idiots by Arkham - but for all her stubborness and prejudice, Lady is the one being made look the dumbest. I mean, she basically goes from "I'm pissed I wasn't the one who got to kill him!" to "I'm super sad he died and will avenge him!" in five minutes. For seemingly the most determined character in the story, that's a huge shift, even given her emotional bond to Arkham as her father.
Lol no. The bolded is kind of a big jump from what I said
My issue with her putting a bullet through Dante's face is that 1. he never showed any hostility towards her (being annoying is not hostility), heck he rescued her at that exact point (she didn't really need that but still) and 2. she doesn't yet know he's going to survive it. So for all she knows, she basically kills a dude for being an annoying, but harmless douchebag. That's kind of wrong and not exactly easily justified by "difficult childhood and a messed up family," however true those may be.And to just give a more generalized reply to both you and Guardian - I'm not denying that Lady has her reasons to act the way she acts in DMC3, just like Dante has his reasons to be an annoying douchebag during the first half of the game and Vergil has reasons to be a total asshole to everyone. But understanding why a character is written the way she is and LIKING the character are two separate things IMO. And I just happen to dislike her.
I have a feeling that you won't be disappointed with that choice.
badcrumble
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I'd also be much more okay with it if Vergil has a DIFFERENT thing that happens when you push X while already in midair (rather than Air Hike). If he doesn't have anything, that's a wasted possible input.
I'm totally cool with Lady's rocket jump, for example. But whatever Vergil's x-in-the-air thing is wouldn't even necessarily have to be about gaining height.
He should be able to use his Phantom Swords as stilts to stand and run around on.
BumblebeeCody
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It's so terrible. Cryjng with laughter
A skirt made of pouches. - DMC3
DmC Vergil poops all over DMC3 Vergil.
DMC4:SE Vergil is looking to change that.
Itsuno has been really active on Twitter today, he even replied to some tweets but they were in japanese so i guess you should tweet him in japanese in order to make your message noticed by him.
Also, during the today DMC4SE vs Basara4 Itsuno,Kobayashi and Yamamoto did a Q&A, Famitsu reported it. *@Sesha @Trell translation signal*
I'll post the google translate for now:
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Edit: Oh shit, I thought it said a year and a half, not a half a year!
thelastcrusader
Banned
This entire exchange. Epic.
1) Vergil got all the money yo
2)Makes sense,remember the first rumors about Capcom and Itsuno on last October? So i think the development started on late summer 2014(august-september)
And usual Itsuno's begging for Rival Schools.
Same as DMC3 Vergil age.
Though with more advance capture tech, the Dan Southworth mug is showing off more.
And obviously all the budget is going towards DMCV.
Don't really have the time to provide a better/fuller translation, but...
Basically it sounds like because DMC4:SE was meant to be a smaller project with a limited budget, they still weren't able to plug in everything they wanted. But they're at least happy that they were able to put in Lady and Trish, as well.
Smiles were all that they could offer when asked about the likes of DMC5 and SB5. Likely because they're inevitable, but of course, they're not going to talk about definitive sequels when they're focused on marketing these expansions, at the moment.
They're currently "undecided" on the notion of a "DMC vs. BASARA" fighting game (which was asked), but will certainly take it into consideration. My guess: if the stage play and other such collabs go over well, we may indeed see more and better game collaborations in this same vein. (And I'd be all for it, if such happened.)
And of course, Itsuno reiterated (again) how much he wants to do Rival Schools 3 and states we should be posting our demands to Capcom to make it happen. Hopefully, he won't force us to hold up our dollar bills to do so...
Basically it sounds like because DMC4:SE was meant to be a smaller project with a limited budget, they still weren't able to plug in everything they wanted. But they're at least happy that they were able to put in Lady and Trish, as well.
Smiles were all that they could offer when asked about the likes of DMC5 and SB5. Likely because they're inevitable, but of course, they're not going to talk about definitive sequels when they're focused on marketing these expansions, at the moment.
They're currently "undecided" on the notion of a "DMC vs. BASARA" fighting game (which was asked), but will certainly take it into consideration. My guess: if the stage play and other such collabs go over well, we may indeed see more and better game collaborations in this same vein. (And I'd be all for it, if such happened.)
And of course, Itsuno reiterated (again) how much he wants to do Rival Schools 3 and states we should be posting our demands to Capcom to make it happen. Hopefully, he won't force us to hold up our dollar bills to do so...
They're not super balanced like Street Fighter, and they're a bit floaty, but they're super over the top and alot of fun to play. It's got such an incredible setting too. I totally would love another RS/PJ title.
I liked Project Justice. Wasn't the most balanced at the time, but still pretty decent.
I wouldn't mind another sequel.
The Silver
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After Dragon's Dogma Capcom probably said "we gave you your dream project now shut the hell up".
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Yes, she looks a lot better in 3 than in 4.
Don't really have the time to provide a better/fuller translation, but...
Basically it sounds like because DMC4:SE was meant to be a smaller project with a limited budget, they still weren't able to plug in everything they wanted. But they're at least happy that they were able to put in Lady and Trish, as well.
Smiles were all that they could offer when asked about the likes of DMC5 and SB5. Likely because they're inevitable, but of course, they're not going to talk about definitive sequels when they're focused on marketing these expansions, at the moment.
They're currently "undecided" on the notion of a "DMC vs. BASARA" fighting game (which was asked), but will certainly take it into consideration. My guess: if the stage play and other such collabs go over well, we may indeed see more and better game collaborations in this same vein. (And I'd be all for it, if such happened.)
And of course, Itsuno reiterated (again) how much he wants to do Rival Schools 3 and states we should be posting our demands to Capcom to make it happen. Hopefully, he won't force us to hold up our dollar bills to do so...
Great info. Itsuno's gotta be working on DMC5.
Adding three characters while only working on the game for half a year to a full year is pretty impressive.
threelights
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I always thought Darkstalkers was on a higher tier than Rival Schools tbh.
Either way, after DMC5 I hope Itsuno gets permission to do whatever he wants.
Darkstalkers was pushed really hard by Ono, but it failed the Capcom Test when Darkstalkers Resurrection released. It's really unfortunate.
He seems to have some pretty high ambitions for a fighting game, mentioned wanting to redefine the genre like SF2 did.
So it would either be a new IP or RS and RS is the safer bet. Though considering the above even if it is RS it will probably play way different than before.
Personally I'm pretty damn interested in seeing what the team that did DMC3, DMC4 and Dragons Dogma will do with the genre.
threelights
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And if DMC5 is a huge success he may get tied to the franchise =O
Anyway, I guess it depends on how much DmC ruined the series for people. DMC4 had amazing legs and sold well way past its release, so hopefully that means people are still interested in a DMC5.
Yeah, it was Resurrection that made me think that.
I guess I was wrong then.
What the hell is Niitsuma even doing now? Mobile games? Shit's a travesty.
This dream team needs to come together.