MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd
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Zok310
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Marg was a hardcore cheater, likely cheated his entire pro career. After he was caught cheating his performance in the ring have never been the same.
Turns out that if he can't cheat he can't win. Where is he now?
ChubbleDucks
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When my kids go to bed around 7pm I might get a quick kip before midnight. When it finishes around 4am I may get a couple of hours before their up again at 6.
Mayweather is worse than unlikable. He's a thug. He's been beating women and acting like a gangsta for years, without getting into trouble. And beating women whenever the hell he feels like it. Racist tirades. Raging egos.
Holding women imprisoned in his house, locking the doors, threatening to have them gang-raped by his posse. Holding guns to their heads.
Mayweather is also ADDICTED to cash and strippers. This is what he lives for. He literally goes to the bank everyday to get a sack of $100,000 everyday to spend. May has a compulsive spending habit, where all he does in life is be a consumer. Control people with money. Its well known Floyd only returned to fight from his 'retirement' due to IRS debt that would've landed him in jail.
Pac on the otherhand, despite going religious has always been humble, nice, down to earth, non trash talking, and an all around nice guy, who spends much of his time being a politician for the common man. Not an elitist at all. Pac is so likable.
While I'm in Pac's corner, lets not forget he's a tax dodger (common man? Yeah, right) and adulterer. He's hardly an angel.
joeygreco1985
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There's going to be an angry mob of Philippino people at your door any minute
Zok310
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It's a boxing fight Bluefoot, not a character investigation. No one is betting on how many women Floyd is going to beat and abduct and spend money on come May 2nd.
See you all Sunday, enjoy the fight not the drama.
Yea, he was never quite the same after getting caught.
Heres the thing. The Marg Cotto fight was VERY important, for many reasons. If Marg was ever going to cheat, it was that fight.
And yea, after he got caught, that same night he got koed by Mosley, and then he cashed out with big fights with Pac, who broke his orbital bone, and then retired with a rematch with Cotto, where Cotto kicked his ass. So Cotto redeemed and kinda proved Marg was loaded the first time around.
The 24/7 face offs for Marg Cotto II, are legendary and fucking awesome. Marg plays the pantomime villain so well.
Hey, rather them than you. Last thing I wanna do is appear on an episode of Cheaters.
It's funny how people are trying to convince themselves that this is some good vs evil fight. I mean come on, first of all it's not that serious and 2nd Pac is not an angel himself. Pick who you want to win but let's try not to make up more frivolous reasons why one person is better than the other.
Floyd's fans like to always bring up Pacs flaws to justify Floyd. Yea, Pac was hardly an angel, not a saint. But still a genuine international Icon, and one of the most likable icons of them, one of the most humble.
Him not being perfect hardly justifies Floyd's actions. Floyd has been dispicable for a long time. Doing all sorts of stupid things. Floyd actually went around Atl making it rain at strip clubs with fake money once.
Also, Floyd gave a man 15 million dollars, with the promise of 4 billion in return. That man ran off, and Floyd is still trying to find him.
When you have so much money why wouldn't you spend it ?
Anyways, it doesn't have much to do with his performance inside the ring for which you can't really give him much shit.
What exactly is wrong with going to strip clubs? Do you think that manny never went to any? He's an adulterer, he's not clean regarding indulging in the opposite sex.
BronsonLee
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I must say, finding a bar to watch this fight has been a fucking disaster in Philly. Nobody knows if they're showing the fight, the ones that are were trying to charge 60 bucks + just to get in, etc. A real mess.
I always liked watching big fights at the Miccossukkee, they have this big covered area where they sometimes have real fights, and huge theater screen for PPV fights.
dude...even bob Arum said it himself that Floyd was willing to fight Margarito for 10 million and then with the promise that he would try to make the fight with DLH. Arum said he's not going more than 8 million then Floyd would have to fight Cotto and then some other TR dude. FLoyd bought his contract out, fought Baldomir for his belt (Marg didn't have one) and got paid more for doing so. Then he fought DLH.
I wish people would do some reading instead of slinging this "ducking" nonsense.
lol what? He adjusted for the second fight. Was he also "playing around" with Judah for the first half of their fight? Was he also "playing around" the whole first fight with Castillo, where he lost but was gifted a decision?
have you scored that fight yourself? Lederman's card is TERRIBLE. It's a really close fight. No way was it a robbery. That term gets thrown around so loosely nowadays.
CopperPuppy
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Mayweather stans never not engaging in the most pitiful of mental gymnastics.
People rightfully pointing out Floyd's staggeringly reprehensible track record of abusing multiple women? "B-b-but Pacquiao cheated on his wife!" "He didn't pay all of his taxes!"
As pointed out above, Money has beat women, imprisoned them, and threatened them with rape and murder. He is an absolute disgrace.
Pacquiao is, of course, not a perfect human being, and has done plenty I cannot agree with. But his actions don't even begin to rise to the despicable level of Floyd's.
I'm all for making the fight just about the fight. I'm watching these two individuals as boxers and boxers only. But, for Christ's sake, think before you speak. If you suckas were acting like this in a Ray Rice thread last fall, everyone would have gone ballistic.
People rightfully pointing out Floyd's staggeringly reprehensible track record of abusing multiple women? "B-b-but Pacquiao cheated on his wife!" "He didn't pay all of his taxes!"
As pointed out above, Money has beat women, imprisoned them, and threatened them with rape and murder. He is an absolute disgrace.
Pacquiao is, of course, not a perfect human being, and has done plenty I cannot agree with. But his actions don't even begin to rise to the despicable level of Floyd's.
I'm all for making the fight just about the fight. I'm watching these two individuals as boxers and boxers only. But, for Christ's sake, think before you speak. If you suckas were acting like this in a Ray Rice thread last fall, everyone would have gone ballistic.
Ninja Scooter
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It's a rabbit hole if you start taking moral stands. Hell Jim Lampley, who might be calling the fight, has his own DV issues. I always take the stance with athletes that my relationship with them extends as far as what they are doing on the field/court/ring. That's it. Floyd very likely is a scumbag. That's okay, I'm not inviting him over for dinner, I'm not introducing him to my sister. I'm paying money to watch him punch another man in the head. That's it.
I'm not a Mayweather fan - I'm just saying I don't buy this whole Good vs Evil thing. Both have done prickish things, but at the end of the day, you give me Floyd's money & ability and I'm likely to act in a similar fashion (minus the abusive behavior towards my baby mamas, of course).
I also wish Pac would shut the fuck up about Christ and whatnot. I want to see him fight, not give a sermon.
In my opinion, they're both just a pair of flawed human beings. Both do a lot for charity, both have done wrong, and both will do wrong again. It's not good vs evil, it's just two ordinary blokes who've gone from rags to riches, and conduct themselves in different ways. That's it.
I also wish Pac would shut the fuck up about Christ and whatnot. I want to see him fight, not give a sermon.
In my opinion, they're both just a pair of flawed human beings. Both do a lot for charity, both have done wrong, and both will do wrong again. It's not good vs evil, it's just two ordinary blokes who've gone from rags to riches, and conduct themselves in different ways. That's it.
He's from the Philippines, man. Most hardcore Catholic country in the world. His messages are aimed at his nation as they resonate there very well.
Margarito would have just been pot shotted to death by Mayweather in any case. Manny reconstructed that dudes head though. The whole side of Margarito's head looked like it had something growing out of it. I honestly dont care about their out of ring activities. I respect Mayweather for his in ring abilities and that's where it ends. I think a lot of people are going to be rooting for Pacquiao though because Manny's personality has always resonated with Mexican fight fans. He's won my heart just because most of those early fights were legit wars where there was a back and forth. He's always entertaining. The humility, public workouts and all that stuff is just icing on the cake.
CopperPuppy
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I'm not trying to defend domestic abuse. I'm just saying that both fighters have their flaws, and yeah, I'd rank abuse ahead of adultery & tax evasion, but that doesn't mean Manny should be seen as the good guy fighting against evil. He's basically a nice tosser fighting a bigger tosser.
Honestly, this is so wrong. They are completely different people. Floyd is a violent, racist, egotistical person who believes he does nothing wrong.
Pac is a newly religous person, whose flaws include womanizing, drinking and gambling, things he put to past long ago.
Floyd on the other hand is OBSESSED with money, looks, and also loves to beat and abuse women, likes to beef with anyone he thinks doesn't uphold his ego. Floyd is also a COMPULSIVE liar. He will lie about everything and anything, all the time.
In one fight, after the win, he admitted he had both his fists injected with a painkiller on live TV, 15 mins later at the post presser, he claimed he never said this. My point is, FLoyd does this shit all the time. He wanted to fight Amir Khan, but after Khan schooled Alexander, Floyd said and I quote, " Only 4000 people viewed that fight." Hell, don't fight Khan if you don't want, but please, stop with all the lies all the time.
Pac on the otherhand is a gentle soft spoken dude. It is good versus evil as much as it can get.
The whole good vs bad is for laymans and the millions of non-boxing fans who will be watching this fight. That spin makes it more interesting for regular people to become interested rather than just hearing of the two best fighters of our generation fight.
As much as I love Pacquiao and how he comes off, he's probably done or will have to as a politician in one of the most corrupt countries just as bad things as Floyd has. At least both have attempted to clean themselves up now.
I was too young to appreciate the social impact of any of the other super fights so I am savoring every moment of this one, because who knows when the next one will be.
As much as I love Pacquiao and how he comes off, he's probably done or will have to as a politician in one of the most corrupt countries just as bad things as Floyd has. At least both have attempted to clean themselves up now.
I was too young to appreciate the social impact of any of the other super fights so I am savoring every moment of this one, because who knows when the next one will be.
Epsilon-delta
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If Floyd fans only have Pac is an adulterer, then I find it hilarious.
So you're saying Pac is like most people? You have to be a fool to think cheating is not commonplace.
So you're saying Pac is like most people? You have to be a fool to think cheating is not commonplace.
I don't know anything about either guy but, if all this is true, that dude should be behind bars and not preparing to make bank tonight. He shouldn't be allowed to walk the damn streets.
Take away the inexcusable abusive behavior towards women, and what's Floyd's biggest character flaws? Obsession with money? Looks? Lying? This isn't unique to Floyd... Hell, this is commonplace for athletes. He's the #1 p4p boxer in the world, why is it so wrong to be a tad arrogant? Don't get me wrong, it annoys me sometimes, but I don't think less of him for it...
And come on, Khan is a bum. Even as a British boxing fan, the last thing I want to do is see Khan get a payday vs Mayweather... What happened to Khan promising he'd fight Brook once he got a world title? Oh yeah, Khan makes up more excuses - That's just how boxing is. Few people practice what they preach.
If you feel that way, don't watch the fight. People are trying to act sanctimonious about Mayweather's past but will still watch him make 200 million on fight night.
I don't understand why discussions about athletes invariably become about their moral failures, as if that will somehow affect the outcome of their matches. No, seriously, who the fuck cares? I mean, who really cares, and what difference does it make? Yeah, Mayweather is a piece of shit for beating women, but it bears no relevance to his fights. This isn't fucking DBZ where the righteous fighter wins.
And I've heard enough bullshit from the legions of butthurt Pacquiao fanboys that can't cope with the fact Mayweather is successful. I don't even like the guy but I'm not blind to the fact he is a gifted fighter and didn't get to where he is by resting on his laurels.
If some of y'all knew and loved boxing as much as you think you did then you'd know how to separate your misgivings from the fighters. Just look back at history. Tyson, Ali, and so many before them all had their shortcomings as individuals, but that didn't stop them from being magnificent fighters. It didn't stop people from admitting that or appreciating that, so what changed?
Is it because we've all somehow bought into this narrative that Mayweather is evil because he flaunts his wealth and has a few domestics to his name whilst Pacquiao is propped up as a man of the people who arose from humble beginnings? That's nothing new. Look at any great boxing rivalries and there'll be a similar good versus evil narrative to read up on.
Whoever wins or lose, this shit probably won't be resolved until there's at least one rematch anyway, so I guess we have about 6 months to a year of this bullshit to look forward to before it's finally put to bed.
And I've heard enough bullshit from the legions of butthurt Pacquiao fanboys that can't cope with the fact Mayweather is successful. I don't even like the guy but I'm not blind to the fact he is a gifted fighter and didn't get to where he is by resting on his laurels.
If some of y'all knew and loved boxing as much as you think you did then you'd know how to separate your misgivings from the fighters. Just look back at history. Tyson, Ali, and so many before them all had their shortcomings as individuals, but that didn't stop them from being magnificent fighters. It didn't stop people from admitting that or appreciating that, so what changed?
Is it because we've all somehow bought into this narrative that Mayweather is evil because he flaunts his wealth and has a few domestics to his name whilst Pacquiao is propped up as a man of the people who arose from humble beginnings? That's nothing new. Look at any great boxing rivalries and there'll be a similar good versus evil narrative to read up on.
Whoever wins or lose, this shit probably won't be resolved until there's at least one rematch anyway, so I guess we have about 6 months to a year of this bullshit to look forward to before it's finally put to bed.
Alright, bum is harsh. Khan is irrelevant in the UK right now, and is not really a big name worldwide. He's had some decent wins, but not enough to call Mayweather out constantly for dodging him.
The MOMENT he had his name linked to a potential Pacquiao or Mayweather fight (which was after barely beating Maidana) he lost his focus and got beat down twice. Thank the boxing gods that we're not watching Floyd fight him tomorrow night.
Agreed. Bradley beats him, though.
Can't really agree with you there. There's no way the fight now would play out like it would have 5 years ago. Both guys have slowed down and Manny is not the same mentally.
The knockout has made him a lot more tentative to jump in and when he does he gets out of there a lot sooner than he would have in the past. If you can crack, Pac will think a lot more now and will try to box a little. I guarantee you that he won't be as reckless as he was against Algeri when he faces Floyd.
I also wasn't that impressed with his last few wins. The Manny from 5 years ago would have stopped Rios and Pac looked better pre knockout in his first fight with Bradley than he did in their second fight. Bradley was also fighting the majority of the fight with a torn calf muscle and still made it a competitive fight.
Hmmm..maybe. Honestly he probably whould have won again Lamont Peterson had he not been docked 2 points and Danny Garcia was getting his ass whooped when he landed the one punch that doomed Khan. I just think you're selling him a bit short.
EDIT: That last Timothy Bradley Pacquiao fight was not that competitive. The first fight he was actually landing shots towards the end. He barely threw any punches in the second fight after he tasted a few combinations. He was just praying for a homer.
Nice, pre-weighin show on ESPN2
Pac won both fights pretty easily, but Bradley has the power to put Khan on his backside. I'll be all for Khan vs May/Pac when he finally fights Kell Brook, but still don't see it as anything other than a formality, despite their ages.
Sweet.
CopperPuppy
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I wholeheartedly agree that viewing the fighters simply as fighters is the only way to go. As you say, I've been doing it my whole life - there are plenty of other boxers (and other athletes) who have engaged in similar or worse behavior.
Shit, I've been a boxing fan my whole life and view this fight as a near-once-in-a-lifetime event. I am as or more excited than anyone, and was first in line to shell out my $100. My post was only pointing out the absurdity of some prior posts trying to downplay Mayweather's serial abuse by using dismissive language or bringing up Pacquiao's lesser misdeeds. There really isn't an excuse. You just have to viewer them fighter to fighter, not person to person.
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