You say Patriots, but Tom Brady and a couple low level personnel are the only people involved in this.
Tom Brady suspended for 4 games; Patriots lose first-round draft pick; fined $1 mil
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You say Patriots, but Tom Brady and a couple low level personnel are the only people involved in this.
Epsilon-delta
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No different than math whizzes cheating on their Calculus test; winning is everything. If you're not cheating, you're not trying as the saying goes.
I would take that stance if I was in your position too.
Fact is, league didn't like Broncos moving money around like they did. It was unconventional to do that and wasn't against any existing rules at the time, but the league saw it as an offense.
Wasn't cheating though, we weren't over the cap that year nor did it result in a competitive advantage or signing additional players. Teams do this on a regular basis now, converting roster bonuses into guarantees. I'm sure you knew that though.
Broncos won all those games and championships using regulation balls without cameras. Sorry.
It's pretty insane that Payton was suspended an entire year even though the league said he took no part and had no knowledge of the program. As BountyGate, DeflateGate, SpyGate, and every other punishment under Goodell prove, the league make shit up as it goes along.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Maybe it's because the league knows that it isn't a big deal, and the only reason why they care enough to take the current measures against this team is because somebody created a convincing enough forecast that suggests that this decision will probably be financially beneficial in the long term.
LyleLanley
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Fun fact, Brady's agent who's handling his appeal was(is?) also Sean Paytons agent during BountyGate.
Also we need to stop adding -gate to every scandal. It's lazy.
Elwood Blues
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Tom Brady is the face of the franchise. He also happens to be a lying cheat. Them's the breaks.
I'd say what the Broncos did was far worse. Being able to have additional players on payroll is a HUGE advantage. "Moving money around" like they did gave them an advantage. You're in denial.
It's amazing seeing them all lined up like that. Why did Nixon's opponents have to stay in the Watergate Hotel!?
DeaconKnowledge
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Because Goodell is a bitch who thinks problems go away if you ignore them long enough.
Of course not. Do you think coaches are directly shooting up their players?
X-Ghazi is what it should be now.
CassidyIzABeast
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Goodell should back down now before he gets barred from Kraft's luxury box and thanksgiving dinners for life.
TheLostBigBoss
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That doesn't make any sense.
If Goodell wanted it to go away he wouldn't have done a report... or set the sting operation.
Your logic is flawed.
That would be incredible, but, no. I don't believe that. I just believe that PED use is an organizational failing because the coaches either know what's going on or should know, and choose to look the other way.
They didn't have additional players on the roster, or higher priced players as a result.
They freed up Elway and Davis' salary by deferring the payment down the road with interest. In turn they used that money to fund the stadium which was getting ready to be built.
It didn't result in additional players, more salary cap room, or any advantage whatsoever.
I presented the facts to you. They got pegged for messing with players salaries to free up cash for a stadium. League didn't like it, and Broncos paid for it. There is no denial there. It's not cheating though.
Not even in the same league as the offenses the Pats have been nailed for. Those altered the play on the field.
TheLostBigBoss
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Let me tell you a secret.
The NFL is full of superhumans who kick the shit out of each other.
Everyone is on PED's
Yeah, I totally believe that's the case. There's like seven guys not on PEDs and they're all kickers. Doesn't excuse teams from being complicit in it, though.
TheLostBigBoss
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I've presented the facts about Spygate many times, nobody seems to care other than "Cheating is cheating."
The NFL found the Broncos guilty of cheating the salary cap on their Superbowl run. I'm afraid the standards of this thread dictate that you must either vacate the win or put an asterisk of shame next to it.
LyleLanley
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I would bet that a lot of kickers are on PEDs too.
25 by my count
TheDrizzlerJ11
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The league should be testing better. Not the coaches responsibility on a 53 man roster, that expectation is unrealistic.
mightynine
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As a Saints fan, I'm enjoying all these Patriots fans complaining of a witch hunt.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
This whole thing is absurd, they proved nothing... they will probably win on appeal.. and Goddell is an idiot who cares too much about whatever ESPN and the media is selling.
DeaconKnowledge
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Nailed it. Who should we do next?
I'll take your 4 Pats vacated titles for 2 Broncos vacated titles just fine.
bob_arctor
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Shit, this asshole was kicking and tripping even back then. Smh.
They have team doctors examining players all the time. They see their bodies grow in ways that are not natural. Jon Harbough was told, along with everyone else, that Ray Lewis was gone for the 2013 season after tearing his triceps. Do you think he had no idea how Ray Lewis got back on the field in time for the Super Bowl? Everyone knew something was fishy. How could the coach not realize that his star player cheated?
LyleLanley
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Wait, are you even a Broncos fan? I thought you were just a fan of the Mannings.
Epsilon-delta
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I don't think he was expecting this type of response lol.
I've read up on Spygate as well. They cheated, plain and simple. Everyone calls Marshall Faulk salty, but it's odd that the Pats knew what plays were coming in that SB. What makes it even more odd is that the Rams only ran those plays in their practices prior to the SB. How does that happen? Great coaching I suppose?
Altering the play on the field != deferring payments to players with interest
You guys can dumb down your arguments all you want to try and bring the Broncos into this, but it won't work.
JJDinomite
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What your team did was far worse.
Officerrob
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The appeal goes to Goodell...
TheLostBigBoss
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Stay out of this, your team tried to fucking kill people.
DeaconKnowledge
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While i think you have a point, is an organizational failure cheating? Brady and Belichick's action is different from the inaction you're referring to with PEDs.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Whereas some Patriots actually kill people.
Was it really? Every team in the league tries to hurt the other team's players. The Saints were dumb and loud about it, but I hardly think they're unique. Remember when Tony Siragusa purposely flattened Rich Gannon? I'm sure everyone on the Ravens were devastated by that. Devastated.
I brought up my theory that coaches know about PED abuse because someone said Belickick should have known about the deflated balls and that's why it's an organizational falling. It doesn't make sense to me that Brady deflating footballs should be treated as a team problem while PED offenders aren't.
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CassidyIzABeast
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Nobody knew Aaron was catching bodies like that.
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Alligatorjandro
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as someone who claimed which hunt I feel obligated to say I'm not a Pats fan. I'm a Panthers fan.
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