Tom Brady suspended for 4 games; Patriots lose first-round draft pick; fined $1 mil

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Brady hiring a lawyer is funny.

You cheated, and you got caught. End of story.

Serve your 4 game suspension like a man.

Jesus Christ.
 
So we have text message from McNally to JJ calling himself the 'deflator' on the 9th of May, then we have on October 17, the day following the home game against the Jet, McNally and JJ texting back'n'forth discussing how the referees screwed them and inflated balls to 16 psi. If McNally was deflating footballs at the point, why would the ball have been over 16 psi? Those October 17 texts would indicate the deflation occurred after the Jets game, though we come back to the 'deflator' text message from earlier in the year.

Another oddity is the Colts initial reasoning for contacting the league with concerns about the Patriot footballs, it stems from the week 11 game against the Patriots at Indianapolis - but is what interesting about this is that McNally doesn't travel with the team and the home teams ball-boy is responsible for delivering the balls. The report even mentions chatter amongst teams that "visiting teams should be on guard when playing at Gillette Stadium".

I'm not discounting the science in the report, but i am trying to figure out the timeline of when potentially this started, and how the footballs at the Colts game in Indianapolis would be deflated. Maybe the report addresses this and i missed it?
 
Quotient said:
So we have text message from McNally to JJ calling himself the 'deflator' on the 9th of May, then we have on October 17, the day following the home game against the Jet, McNally and JJ texting back'n'forth discussing how the referees screwed them and inflated balls to 16 psi. If McNally was deflating footballs at the point, why would the ball have been over 16 psi? Those October 17 texts would indicate the deflation occurred after the Jets game, though we come back to the 'deflator' text message from earlier in the year.

Another oddity is the Colts initial reasoning for contacting the league with concerns about the Patriot footballs, it stems from the week 11 game against the Patriots at Indianapolis - but is what interesting about this is that McNally doesn't travel with the team and the home teams ball-boy is responsible for delivering the balls. The report even mentions chatter amongst teams that "visiting teams should be on guard when playing at Gillette Stadium".

I'm not discounting the science in the report, but i am trying to figure out the timeline of when potentially this started, and how the footballs at the Colts game in Indianapolis would be deflated. Maybe the report addresses this and i missed it?
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1) could be as simple as not having a chance to deflate the balls during the home game against the Jets. Or perhaps they inflated them so much it would be too noticeable to deflate or take too long.

2) the rumor was that the Colts were alerted by the Ravens, did the report say something else?
 
LyleLanley said:
I bought the DVDs
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Alligatorjandro said:
Players appeal suspensions all the tme
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Pats fans opened my eyes to the fact that Richard Sherman was definitely guilty of PED use because he appealed his positive test. Guess we now know Tom is guilty! Another incident of cheating forever added to his legacy.
 
riotous said:
1) could be as simple as not having a chance to deflate the balls during the home game against the Jets. Or perhaps they inflated them so much it would be too noticeable to deflate or take too long.

2) the rumor was that the Colts were alerted by the Ravens, did the report say something else?
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I don't think the report ever mentioned the Ravens.

But it's still my personal theory. Ravens got pissed after Brady went "lol read the rules" after the formation stuff and talked to the Colts about the balls.
 
riotous said:
1) could be as simple as not having a chance to deflate the balls during the home game against the Jets. Or perhaps they inflated them so much it would be too noticeable to deflate or take too long.

2) the rumor was that the Colts were alerted by the Ravens, did the report say something else?
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Though all of the text message communication regarding 'needles', 'kicks', 'signed balls' etc happened after the jets game. The report also mentions that McNally would, during regular season games, be alone with the footballs in the referee locker rooms for 20 minutes while the referees did their on-field inspections. That is more than enough time to inflate, deflate and do anything you want to the footballs.

The report mentions nothing of the Ravens game, only that that they noticed the balls weren't as inflated when Brady was intercepted during the game at Indianapolis.
 
riotous said:
1) could be as simple as not having a chance to deflate the balls during the home game against the Jets. Or perhaps they inflated them so much it would be too noticeable to deflate or take too long.
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Or it could be that they deflated the balls in the hopes of getting it past the officials, but it failed.

I wouldn't have thought that before reading the report, but the report shows that the testing process is greatly lacking. The officials have multiple different gauges, in this case with readings .38 apart, and nobody knows which gauge they will use. Even the officials don't know which gauge they used. A deflated ball could make it past one gauge, but not the other.

I would throw out the case entirely based on that alone. Not knowing which gauge is used, when they have such different measurements, shows that they don't (didn't) care about the issue, and that all the data are unreliable. For instance, if they used different gauges pre-game for the Patriots and Colts, then the issue evaporates. And we don't know.

We do, however, know that the halftime readings are absurd. The same tester got all the high measurements for the Patriots, but was then low on 3/4 of the Colts (with the one exception being ridiculously high). There is clearly gauge switching going on, and I would like anyone to try to seriously deny that. Given that the gauges are switched seemingly at random, and that nobody knows which gauge was used when, and that if they were switched pre-game there is no issue at all, throw it all out.
 
Wow, Brady lawyering up and suing the league? The WWE couldn't script this any better. Can we make Goodell and Kraft meet for a handshake in the middle of the field during the pregame of the season opener?
 
Crisco said:
Wow, Brady lawyering up and suing the league? The WWE couldn't script this any better. Can we make Goodell and Kraft meet for a handshake in the middle of the field during the pregame of the season opener?
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Every suspended player challenges the ruling. Every. One.
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...port-challenges-brady-agent-article-1.2219529

Tom Brady isn’t the only person involved with DeflateGate proving to be defiant these days.

Attorney Ted Wells fired back at critics of the 243-page report he filed to the NFL last week, insisting claims that his investigative efforts were a “hit” on Brady, whom Wells referred to as “the real face of the league,” were ridiculous.

Wells took exception with Brady’s agent, Don Yee, in particular. In response to the agent’s dismissal of the report, Wells challenged Yee to release notes he took when Brady was interviewed.

“He should publish the notes and stop acting like there is some secret in the notes,” Wells said. “He should publish them.”

Wells spoke on a conference call with reporters for 30 minutes. He acknowledged the rare circumstances that inspired him to take questions regarding the investigation. Previously, he declined to do so in other high-profile cases, such as the Richie Incognito bullying case with the Miami Dolphins. He called the personal attacks on his credibility “out of bounds, unfair and plain wrong.”

The NFL suspended Brady four games Monday, and fined the Patriots $1 million. The league also docked the Patriots a first-round pick in 2016 and a fourth-round pick in 2017.

Wells noted that he billed the league by the hour for the investigation and estimated that his firm made “millions” from the NFL on the report. He was adamant that the NFL did “not influence in any way, shape or form” the investigation.”

“We made a fair and reasonable review of the evidence and we reached conclusions based on the preponderance of the evidence standard, which I was required to apply based on the league’s rules.” Wells said.

The issue of accessibility irked Wells. He interviewed Jim McNally, the officials locker room attendant who referred to himself as “The Deflator,” once but was denied a second interview. Wells said that he offered to drive to McNally’s home in New Hampshire “morning, afternoon or night” but that the Patriots told Wells they would not so much as relay the request to see McNally.

Wells agreed with Yee’s previous statements that Brady answered every question he was asked during his interview with Wells, but the attorney maintained that Brady refused to allow Wells to see any electronic communications.
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not psycho said:
The thing it doesn't cover is that the pre-game readings were not recorded and only 4 Colts balls were tested at halftime. Or I should say, it does cover it, but only to admit they assumed 13 for all the Colts balls. The entire thing is based on extremely vague statements like the Colts were probably going for 13... not recording of individual measurements, not recording of which gauge was used. The assumptions it makes are not justified.

Let's say the Patriots were hovering around 12.5 pre-game, and the Colts 4 balls were around 13.1. If they switched gauges (with a .38 difference), the true difference between Patriots and Colts is about .98, or 1 pre-game.

At halftime, Prioleau's average for the Patriots is 11.49, while his average for the Colts is 12.27 (eliminating ball 3). A difference of .78... so the Colts balls actually deflated more than the Patriots did from pre-game to halftime! Or maybe the officials are doing weird things again?

Let's assume they switched gauges again at halftime, so the difference becomes about 1.15. So the Patriots balls would have deflated more... if our original assumptions were correct. If the Colts 4 balls (the only ones tested) were at 13.25 pre-game, then they deflated the exact same amount as the Patriots.

You should be able to see the issue here. It's not the statistics or the science, it's using vague statements as though they are exact.

If Priloleau did NOT switch his gauge between Patriots and Colts at halftime, he actually shows the Colts deflated their balls and the Patriots didn't. But even if he did switch gauges, that only gives a difference of .15. So maybe the Patriots deflated their balls by .15... or maybe the Colts 4 balls were .15 higher than the vague assumption. Or maybe the difference is because the Patriots balls were measured first, and the Colts 4 balls (all they had time for) were measured only after rising in the higher temperatures.

At this point you may be thinking "the officials didn't do that weird stuff", but the evidence strongly suggests they did. They themselves indicated they used the high gauge for the Patriots pre-game. The investigators themselves claim that the low gauge never measured higher than the high gauge in all their tests, which means Priloleau probably switched gauges between measuring the Patriots and Colts. The odd behavior of the officials, combined with no recordings and only vague memories, is not enough evidence to say anything substantial.
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Page 165. Read from there. They explain scientifically how a) the gauge switching wouldn't have mattered and b) show that it was incredibly unlikely it was done so. They even take your exact scenario and show how it wouldn't make a difference. Page 215 and 227 is the nail in the coffin on that front. Seriously? You aren't even trying to read the explanations. You're just looking for something to validate your own conspiracy theory.

Also, the texts and the interviews. Even, if, for the sake of argument, the officials completely mess up every single decision point to go against the Patriots in every way (which is...unlikely seeing as how many 50/50 decisions there are)...why does Brady lie about not knowing McNally? Why does McNally call himself the Deflator? Why does McNally lie about stealing the balls in between the officials measurements and the start of the game?.

DeaconKnowledge said:
Cybit, remember Mark Twain...
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I'm aware. But that's usually for folks who have a preconceived conclusion and are looking for data to match their conclusion. I think it's effed up what is happening. I'd rather Brady not be tarnished. But that's a pretty damning and thorough report.
 
Godslay said:
The fight of a tarnished legacy is already over and is the most important fight to be had in all of this. Brady lost.
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You can claim whatever the fuck you want. Pats won four super bowls. Brady is the greatest QB of his generation. He'll go into the hall on first ballot.

If that's "losing" then I'm sure every other organization and QB would be thrilled.
 
Duxxy3 said:
You can claim whatever the fuck you want. Pats won four super bowls. Brady is the greatest QB of his generation. He'll go into the hall on first ballot.

If that's "losing" then I'm sure every other organization and QB would be thrilled.
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Brady is the A-rod of the NFL.
 
Duxxy3 said:
You can claim whatever the fuck you want. Pats won four super bowls. Brady is the greatest QB of his generation. He'll go into the hall on first ballot.

If that's "losing" then I'm sure every other organization and QB would be thrilled.
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There will always be a 'but' to his legacy though.

Lance was really good, but...

Remember when Manny and Ortiz took over, but...

ARod just hit 661, but...

Tom was great, but...
 
20 years from now when Brady stands up and waves to a crowd the announcer will say, "and there's Hall of Famer and _x Champion Tom Brady folks" That's it. None of this shit matters.
 
Pretty much. Due to the NFL's nature; fans are pretty lenient. Hell, people have even mostly gotten over Favre at this point. PEDs / Steroids / Gamesmanship level Cheating are more or less ignored.
 
Godslay said:
There will always be a 'but' to his legacy though.

Lance was really good, but...

Remember when Manny and Ortiz took over, but...

ARod just hit 661, but...

Tom was great, but...
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The only people who will even remember that shit are the people who already hate those players, who hate those teams. To everybody else it won't matter.
 
Duxxy3 said:
The only people who will even remember that shit are the people who already hate those players, who hate those teams. To everybody else it won't matter.
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Baseball is also waaaay more sanctimonious about these things than other sports.
 
CassidyIzABeast said:
20 years from now when Brady stands up and waves to a crowd the announcer will say, "and there's Hall of Famer and _x Champion Tom Brady folks" That's it. None of this shit matters.
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Spygate and now Deflategate will always be synonymous with this era of Patriots history. By default that includes Bill and Tom. There's no way around it really, unless you live in denial I guess.

Duxxy3 said:
The only people who will even remember that shit are the people who already hate those players, who hate those teams. To everybody else it won't matter.
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So anyone outside of Mass, essentially.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Which is weird because every era had different asterisks. Babe Ruth didn't play against black players. Willie Mayes used greenies. Barry Bonds juiced. Whatever.
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A-freaking-men. Baseball was the sport I grew up watching; but the sanctimony of the media drove me insane.
 
Godslay said:
There will always be a 'but' to his legacy though.

Lance was really good, but...

Remember when Manny and Ortiz took over, but...

ARod just hit 661, but...

Tom was great, but...
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Just like jerry rice using illegal stickem in his gloves right? Except no one brings that up because everyone knows greatness when they see it. Brady is great like Jerry Rice is great.
 
MetalFearSolid said:
Hey lets not forget tuck rule and how it made his career.
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Brady is a winner. Brady was given an opportunity and seized it. A skinny fat fuck loser is now a 4-time Superbowl Winning, super model fucking, skinny fat God. Winners are winners because they take the opportunities given to them.
 
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