Some people might think that being deceived means they don't deserve the money.
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Some people might think that being deceived means they don't deserve the money.
Bonfires Down
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Obviously downgraded but it's still one of the best looking games ever so I find it hard to care.
Emperor_Uriel
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This is really the biggest issue I have with the entire topic across every forum. People hinting that piracy is worthwhile protest (thankfully, GAF is mostly above this).
Yes CDPR was caught with their pants down.
Yes they should be made to eat crow as penance for lying.
Yes they should try to address the disparity in any plausible way they can.
However, they are still delivering us a 200+ hour open world game with a 92 metacritic score that blends Bioware-style storytelling and characters with Bethesda-style open world exploration, something that has been a pipe dream since Morrowind and KoTOR. For less than $60 with multiple discount options. With free DLC and huge expansions incoming.
In five years, this game's pre-release issues will be long forgotten, and it's enduring legacy will be as GOAT in the minds of many of its diehard players.
Those original screens look soooo much better than the new shots. Damn, I feel a little sad now.
One spot I noticed in a 2013 gameplay trailer was that you can see the low quality grass assets in a spot too (it's the same when he gets close to it).
Grass is fine here:
But then immediately infront and on the right:
Huge difference vs:
It's the lighting too.
If it had that grass (which Dragon Age Inquisition had if not better and that lighting...which wasn't too bad in DA:I either...then that would be something.
Yoda
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Last gen it took a few years in for the hardware to start overtly holing back visual fidelity. First time I flat out noticed a game not looking like its E3 footage without being keenly aware of such practices was MGS4. This time around the consoles were weaker than a "just ok" gaming PC @ launch.
Random tidbit, I tossed GTA V on my MBPr and was able to get close to the same graphical fidelity/frame-rate as a PS4. It is the model w/the discrete GPU but its still the low energy GPU and a mobile one at that. AAA scene will be stuck with this sort of thing for the remainder of the gen.
Of course there will be a hidden super ultra setting that fixes everything. They just want it to be a surprise!
Game already looks good to me, lacking in some areas and it's a shame it doesn't look as good as the reveal trailer. But it will still be a great game and I will enjoy it. *shrug*
Some games are revealed way too soon, showing what is probably the entire game at that point. They set the bar too high with what they want to achieve and will have to make compromises to actually finish the game.
As much as people love to see gameplay when a game is announced, I would rather wait until they could show the actual game and not just a vertical slice.
I cant speak for anyone else, i dont think its going to be a magic fix. Im just saying we could get some actual comparisons going with exact or very close time of day and everything. Hell there are gifs in here of people comparing PS4 vs PC with no context.
I edited it in late, but the comparison shots were the ultra 1440pc PC shots from flickr, in my post anyway.
If you can get to 5K it starts to look a bit better in spots it seems:
Although that might just be cause it's washed out.
If you can get to 5K it starts to look a bit better in spots it seems:
Although that might just be cause it's washed out.
I realized I was at that spot and made this clip. Too bad you can't really see the fog in the crappy quality video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbsw_kFbGw8
i have no idea if this has already been posted, but it had to come in some way 
YOUTUBE - SHOCKING Interview with CDPR developer
YOUTUBE - SHOCKING Interview with CDPR developer
I don't really care that much about the arguable texture differences or the lack of tesselation in places, but what really grinds my gears is the complete removal of the volumetric atmospherics that were prevalent in the older footage.
For me, that's the standout thing that's missing. It looks completely different without it.
It's what made that very first panning shot over the woods, that I see some references to in this thread, look as good as it did.
For me, that's the standout thing that's missing. It looks completely different without it.
It's what made that very first panning shot over the woods, that I see some references to in this thread, look as good as it did.
i have no idea if this has already been posted, but it had to come in some way
YOUTUBE - SHOCKING Interview with CDPR developer
This meme is starting to get old. I saw the very same thing with the 970 meltdown
Depends on how many of those hours are fun. I'm not convinced the combat will be all that amazing, from videos we've been shown.
Emperor_Uriel
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56 pages in, I'm still not seeing how it makes sense to direct all of this rage towards CDPR.
They showed off footage of a version of the game that was developed back before they knew that the PS4 and XBone would be drastically underpowered. Before they knew that the latest line of Nvidia cards would be a weak, incremental improvement over what was available at the time.
This isn't CDProjeckt failing us, it's hardware companies failing them, and everyone else as a result. They show us their vision, a vision that will surely be attainable on high-powered next gen tech, only for the makers of that tech to crap out weak products and leave CDPR high and dry. Now they look like the idiots because, like From Software before them, they expected things like DX11 to be standard on all consoles. Things like fur physics and detailed tessellation to be no problem for low-mid end 2015 video cards.
If you told them in 2013 that, two whole years later, a video card with 3.5gb of VRAM was the standard and that it would be outperforming next gen consoles, they'd probably have thought you were crazy.
They showed off footage of a version of the game that was developed back before they knew that the PS4 and XBone would be drastically underpowered. Before they knew that the latest line of Nvidia cards would be a weak, incremental improvement over what was available at the time.
This isn't CDProjeckt failing us, it's hardware companies failing them, and everyone else as a result. They show us their vision, a vision that will surely be attainable on high-powered next gen tech, only for the makers of that tech to crap out weak products and leave CDPR high and dry. Now they look like the idiots because, like From Software before them, they expected things like DX11 to be standard on all consoles. Things like fur physics and detailed tessellation to be no problem for low-mid end 2015 video cards.
If you told them in 2013 that, two whole years later, a video card with 3.5gb of VRAM was the standard and that it would be outperforming next gen consoles, they'd probably have thought you were crazy.
Then do explain.
So it's Nvidia and AMD's fault they made the game multiplatform? If it was PC exclusive, they could just say the game demands high end hardware and not downgrade anything.
m_shortpants
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Yeah the "in game footage" text was the only real damning piece here.
Enjoying the hell out of Witcher 2 and will enjoy the W3 regardless. Just a shame about the parity.
Enjoying the hell out of Witcher 2 and will enjoy the W3 regardless. Just a shame about the parity.
Tell us how you really feel.
They could have still increased the fidelity for pc's I mean if mid-range cards 280x's and 770's are able to hit ultra at 1080p there's obviously leeway there for increased fidelity. I would have liked if they had pushed it so that you would need at least a 970 to hit ultra at 1080p.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Even Ubi has done their PC versions of multiplats better than this so far this gen. Has nothing to do with hardware manufacturers and everything to do with cdpr deciding to go for parity likely for cost/time issues.
plasmawave
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Oh really now.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Lol it better, but it should also look better at 1440 and so on and so forth.
So we got no way of knowing if the .ini settings are locked down till release?
Yeah, and they'd get one third of the sales at most. They crafted a 100+ hour game, without shitty fetchquests ala DA:I. That takes a lot of manpower. They need to get paid.
Releasing on just one platform, when your game is that huge, is not feasible.
Emperor_Uriel
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It's Nvidia and AMD's fault that the PC and consoles are drastically underpowered. Again, a 3.5gb card is the standard in 2015 and far weaker AMD cards are in the consoles. Both companies can and should be putting out 8gb Vram cards as standard by now.
We'll all be having this exact same conversation in a month in the "Batman: Arkham Knight Downgrade Thread." At some point, the hardware manufacturers are the common link in all of this garbage.
Primethius
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blaming Nvidia and AMD because CDPR made a downgrade and most likely is going for parity?
we all know what these GPU can do (just go see the real time demo running on them) they are not underpowered cards, this is on CDPR not the GPUs.
Hopefully the lesson learned here for CDPR is to never show a bullshit vertical slice ever again.
we all know what these GPU can do (just go see the real time demo running on them) they are not underpowered cards, this is on CDPR not the GPUs.
Hopefully the lesson learned here for CDPR is to never show a bullshit vertical slice ever again.
ss_lemonade
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What exactly is wrong with this 3.5gb videocard? Is <4gb vram really what's holding back developers? I don't own a 970, only have a lowly 3gb 780 but even that to me seems to have a lot of horsepower to it
ColonialRaptor
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Totally agree.
wanderingprostheyltite
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It's overblown imo, for most games this gen it'll probably be fine. I mean hell Oculus said a 970 is the standard for this gen of VR for a good experience.
KCroxtonJr
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Literally my face every other post in this thread lol. Idk why I even came back in here hahaha
Isn't it though. The big differences I'm seeing are the intense sharpening, color temperature, and grass. The other assets are pretty much all the same.
This shot in particular looks the most similar to the final game.
We've already seen gameplay footage of Batman. Unlike Witcher 2013 which had pristine image quality everywhere, the Batman footage has a fair amount of aliasing.
There probably won't be a downgrade from this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kEvsjQk_x0
Fine. Then don't buy the game.
The poster stated his intent to play the game.Twice.
All the while cursing the developer for getting paid for their work.
The reason it's an issue is a lot of games this year and some of the previous have hit close to the 4gb. And when a 970 goes past 3.5 it stutters and frame drops.
It's not something most people will have to worry about (most games might hit around there, but not too far) right this moment but it is very likely that more and more games are going to be using the full 4 gb of ram (and this making 970 users stutter a lot). 1080p users will probably be able to stretch out the card's lifetime a bit more.
It's not something most people will have to worry about (most games might hit around there, but not too far) right this moment but it is very likely that more and more games are going to be using the full 4 gb of ram (and this making 970 users stutter a lot). 1080p users will probably be able to stretch out the card's lifetime a bit more.
From what I gather, the issue is that they've been maintaining that there hasn't been a downgrade and aside from telling us to wait till release, they've been keeping mum.
There wouldn't have been this whole fiasco about it if they'd actually come out and had said we had to change our scope, consoles are too underpowered etc. but they didn't because risk in sales and such.
Actually there probably would have been given it's CDPR and the gaming community seem to love to jump on things like this but it wouldn't have been anywhere near as drawn out.
wanderingprostheyltite
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I think it depends on the game, Unity stopped stuttering for me on a single 970 after a particular patch and nvidia driver, and that used more than 3.5. Ditto for GTA V, I can rock 4k at a locked 30 with no stuttering.
That is literal false advertising.
scoobs
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Damn, forgot about this video. Did any of these features make it into the final release? Fur maybe?
The 970 meltdown was overblown a bit. I do feel Nvidia tricked me with their false advertising but the card is doing well so far on games over 3.5. DAI and Unity can be both made over 3.5 without any stuttering for me.
ss_lemonade
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This I could never understand. Are you saying a game is more likely to stutter on a 970 than on a gpu with less than 4/3.5gb? Is it because engines would treat it as a 4gb card? I have yet to run into a game that makes my 780 stutter. Lower framerates yes, but never stuttering that would be caused by something like disk trashing, and that's with a 3gb gpu only
icecold1983
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the horse made it
In theory the driver should handle everything fine. But there are corner cases that must be dealt with, possibly on a per game basis.
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Wha? Everyone already knew the consoles' specs before they launched. Straight off the bat, EA/Dice, Crytek and Ubisoft were already lobbying pretty hard for what they wanted out of the consoles and got it.
CDPR released a target they knew they weren't going to hit. Only difference now is instead of the usual misleading console footage, CDPR went with misleading pc footage.
BigTnaples
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It was never shown to the public. Notice how its a shaky cam video? So no. Not false advertising in any way, literal or non literal.
Hairworks is in
Water Tessellation is in
Volume Based Translucency is in
DX11 Tessellated landscapes are in
Screen Space Reflections are in
Semi Volumetric Clouds are in
Lightshafts are in
Screen Space Decals are in
Forward lit particles are questionable(I don't see why it would be taken out)
Fluid Simulation is probably out
Ariel Perspective fog I am unsure of (Fog itself definitely)
So yeah, some of it made it in.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Well that video is depressing.
That and it's one of the leanest install sizes for a AAA game this gen. Translation=those assets ain't all that.
That and it's one of the leanest install sizes for a AAA game this gen. Translation=those assets ain't all that.
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