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As far as I can tell, there truly is no normal, however many illusions of normalcy we may construct. At least when it comes to matters of personality, emotions and mental health. Perhaps in the societal context there is a "normal" if we are to understand "normal" as the status quo.

It sounds as though he offered you at least some genuine help ... yet you categorize it as a failure? Surely you see the leap you've taken there?

Regardless, I can assure you that the issues you had likely wouldn't be a problem with a different therapist. That attitude does sound very frustrating. I had a therapist once who spent a lot of time telling me things were getting better and I was doing fine and the such. I switched to another therapist after a couple of months and she ended up being wonderful.

Would your insurance cover your going to see a different therapist / psychologist currently? I would strongly encourage you to look into it.

I hadn't actually realized I was taking a leap, but I do now. I'm kind of a defeatist too, with a hugely negative outlook overall. Perhaps I will look into a new therapist in the near future. I don't currently know if I can get anyone else on my insurance nearby, though. I live in nowhere.
 
I hadn't actually realized I was taking a leap, but I do now. I'm kind of a defeatist too, with a hugely negative outlook overall. Perhaps I will look into a new therapist in the near future. I don't currently know if I can get anyone else on my insurance nearby, though. I live in nowhere.

Is there a gradient within your negative outlook, or do you usually jump to extremes?

Many insurance companies have a system where you can go to their website, plug in the service you're looking for within x miles of zipcode y and they'll give you a list of available providers. The database of care providers exists, it's just a matter of figuring out where to get it.
 
With energy already a precious commodity, I'd try your best not to spend it assigning blame. I don't think what you're going through is your fault; it's much more complicated than that. We've all done things that have led to other things, but suffering is suffering and it's a large beast with many many roots.

You say that you're not able to make changes on your own, and that when you try, they don't work out. I must ask - is this because the things you try don't work as you expect? Or you don't have the energy to try many things? Or perhaps your expectations of yourself are unreasonably critical so it's simply not possible to succeed?

Or maybe, just maybe, it's some combination of all three?
What do you think?


I would say the first and third. I have the physical energy to do whatever I please, what I lack is the motivation to do it due to numerous failed attempts, also now that you mention it, my expectations are unreasonable, sadly. I go into everything thinking that it's going to be just perfect (although I'm a big pessimist) and get disappointed when things don't work out. I am also very impatient, I hate how progress takes time, I become angry and anxious.
 
Wow. Each day has been better than the last this week. Today is the happiest I've been in... probably years. It's just a normal day, too, but my outlook has been completely different. I'm having a genuinely good day at work for the first time ever.
Being in an increasingly good mood this past week has made me realize that happiness has a snowball effect, just like depression does. For example, my boss is generally a pretty unpleasant, stressed out person to work with, but she's been in a great mood today, I think at least in part because I've been in a great mood (we work very closely together when she's in the office).
I feel much more confident in myself as well, and I feel like others are responding to that positively, which also leads to that snowball effect.

I'm starting to think it might be the meds at least accounting for some of this rather than that girl I started liking recently which I was talking about earlier because I haven't even really had her on my mind much at all today. And if it was just because of the girl, my happiness should have faded a bit as the initial excitement of meeting someone wore off (that feeling is still apparent, but has moved past that absolutely overwhelming initial phase), but the opposite is true.

Like I said, only time will tell whether this is a long-term improvement or just a short burst of happiness, but either way, it feels absolutely incredible. Real happiness is definitely way better than any drug I've dried.

Hmm, this may become a summer project in a month or so, given that the piano at my parents' house is getting less and less harmonious by the day. Thanks for the info!

Also, from reading your other posts, I'm so glad you've had a string of good days. I hope it continues :)

Cool! Let me know if you decide to! Playing a piano that you've tuned which was previously out of tune is one of the most satisfying feelings I've experienced. It's great.

And thanks! :D

Also, just wanted to say again that your posts are absolutely incredible. Your level of insight blows me away. I get so much out of your replies, including the replies to other people's posts which often answer questions I didn't even realize I had or provide me with some advice I didn't realize I needed. I really, really appreciate the effort you put into your posts here. So a huge thank you to you, Piano.
 
I recently graduated from college and now I'm job hunting full time and it's killing me. I'm not qualified for any of the jobs I would be somewhat interested in - I have an English degree so I'd like some writing or editing work, but all the positions I've found require multiple years of professional experience - and due to my social anxiety disorder I'm terrified by the thought of doing any sort of customer service, or really of being burdened with any sort of responsibility that puts me in danger of letting other people down.

Back in school during my summer breaks I would actively sabotage some applications for places I really really didn't want to work at, or just not apply at all and tell my parents I did. It was probably a combination of that and the shitty job market that resulted in my not getting the jobs I did apply for either, so the last two summers I did some volunteer work, which is relatively low pressure because you're offering your own time and getting nothing in return.

But now that I've graduated I have to make a genuine effort to find a real job, and it's terrible. I get extremely anxious just reading about certain job openings, and all the while my parents are pressuring me nonstop to keep looking eight hours a day and it's just exhausting. And given my mental state, I think a high-pressure job with a lot of social interaction would do terrible things to me.
 
I got my ADHD medicine today. Going to start taking it tomorrow morning since I want to be taking it morningly and not late afternoon, when I was actually able to pick it up today. It's called Vyvanase? Anyone familiar with this?
 
Having one of those days where I feel like blowing my brains out. Don't have access to a gun, nor ever have when these feelings occurred before, thankfully.
 
It can be effective but it won't work miracles. Obviously it's not going to fix your life, only help lift and stabilize your mood and anxiety. I've been on Zoloft for over five months and it has helped. The 'placebo' lawsuit sounds like horseshit. I started on 25mg/day but moved up to 50 after a couple weeks. I'd say a few-to-several weeks into taking 50mg I noticed that my mood was in general better and I had far fewer dips into bad depression. The most noticeable chance was my anxiety. I first noticed when I realized I was in a particular situation at work that normally makes me nervous and extremely anxious, and I noticed that I didn't have the racing heart and tightness in my chest that I'd always had. Only side effects I've experienced are stomach/bloating/gas problems when I started taking it or increase the dosage, but that pretty much goes away. Maybe a little erection/libido problems at first but that's entirely gone away, and I'm at my lowest weight (not in a sickly way) in years so weight gain hasn't been an issue.

So I'd say it helps. My problems stem largely from issues that go way back in my life and missing out on a lot of crucial growing up experiences during my adolescence, and the medication is only going to help me work through those problems I suppose, not fix them. I always heard a lot of stories about these medications changing you are as a person, making you "lose your edge", etc etc, I haven't had that experience at all. It just softens the depression and anxiety and makes them more manageable.

In my experience, getting on psych meds takes a lot of patience. What works for one patient may do little to nothing for another. Reviews for a lot of drugs are all over the place for that reason. Typically what happens is doctors try something (based on patient feedback), see if it works, then either stick with it or try something else. It sucks, but it can take a while to find something that works well.

In your case, yeah, drinking doesn't mix well with many psychoactive drugs, or it simply negates them. I guess zoloft isn't one of those. The main thing is hang in there & be straight with the doctor. Maybe you'll get the right one on the first try.

Bingo. It's always going to be trial and error to some extent, especially when you're just starting out with a doctor. After a few tries you have a better idea of how you react to things.

For what it's worth, Zoloft worked very well for me for a long time and has worked very well for two others I know.

Also, I stopped drinking partly because of the interactions it had with psych meds. I decided I'd rather give up an escape and have a life worth living than continue living a life I needed to escape from.

Never came back to check these responses because well.... I have anxiety issues. I often have a hard time (while sober) coming back to read responses to any posts I make. I just wanted to say thanks for the responses and the advice though. A month or so later and I haven't really noticed any difference w/ the zoloft (up to 100mg now) other than difficulty reaching orgasm but eh, I can live with that. That said, I haven't noticed any positive differences either. Still going to therapy but I don't think that is helping much either. He points out all the wrong thinking in my head that leads to my anxiety, depression and other issues, but does nothing to help me avoid them. Want to switch doctors, but I don't want to get flagged as doctor shopping or something (particularly because I am convinced I have an attention disorder -- while my therapist/psychiatrist does not think that is the case which seems like classic drug seeking)

Anyways, it will probably be a while again before I read any responses but I didn't want you guys to think I was a dick for never getting back to you
 
I got my ADHD medicine today. Going to start taking it tomorrow morning since I want to be taking it morningly and not late afternoon, when I was actually able to pick it up today. It's called Vyvanase? Anyone familiar with this?

It's a stimulant comparable to regular amphetamine. Less potential for abuse because of gentle onset of the effects. Long duration though fyi.
 
What sort of bottom? Do you have any sense of what put you back there?
As long as you're here you may as well try to learn a thing or two, right?

Bottom in a sense of how much will I have. It was disastrous day yesterday. And it looks like today will be the same. Flashbacks are returning with full force.
 
Does anyone else get tingling/numbness in their limbs? It gets worse the more I worry about what's causing it, especially since my mind jumps to conclusions like Diabetes or MS.

The past couple of days have been pretty bad for me in that respect.
 
I would say the first and third. I have the physical energy to do whatever I please, what I lack is the motivation to do it due to numerous failed attempts, also now that you mention it, my expectations are unreasonable, sadly. I go into everything thinking that it's going to be just perfect (although I'm a big pessimist) and get disappointed when things don't work out. I am also very impatient, I hate how progress takes time, I become angry and anxious.

Perhaps it would be fruitful to work on these factors rather than trying at other things while they're still tying you down? Not that the two are mutually exclusive, they're not - it's just a matter of what's a priority.

And, unfortunately, there is no substitute for time when it comes to progress in any pursuit. Luckily, patience can be practiced and improved as well! I've found mindfulness to be very helpful with feelings of impatience - I try to feel the feelings of impatience directly and let them run their course rather than let them set in the background and motivate my actions. I don't act on the feeling, I just feel it, rather than avoid it, and it eventually passes, as all feelings do, like so many clouds in the sky.

So a huge thank you to you, Piano.

Thanks, man, I really appreciate it :). Posting here makes me feel like I'm doing something meaningful with my time at a period in my life where I'm increasingly aware that life will not provide me with any meaning on its own accord.

And I'm so, so, so glad that things are looking up for you! Made me feel great to read that.

I recently graduated from college and now I'm job hunting full time and it's killing me. I'm not qualified for any of the jobs I would be somewhat interested in - I have an English degree so I'd like some writing or editing work, but all the positions I've found require multiple years of professional experience - and due to my social anxiety disorder I'm terrified by the thought of doing any sort of customer service, or really of being burdened with any sort of responsibility that puts me in danger of letting other people down.

Back in school during my summer breaks I would actively sabotage some applications for places I really really didn't want to work at, or just not apply at all and tell my parents I did. It was probably a combination of that and the shitty job market that resulted in my not getting the jobs I did apply for either, so the last two summers I did some volunteer work, which is relatively low pressure because you're offering your own time and getting nothing in return.

But now that I've graduated I have to make a genuine effort to find a real job, and it's terrible. I get extremely anxious just reading about certain job openings, and all the while my parents are pressuring me nonstop to keep looking eight hours a day and it's just exhausting. And given my mental state, I think a high-pressure job with a lot of social interaction would do terrible things to me.

It sounds like there are two distinct components here: the job hunt and the job itself.

Job hunts can be a real pain. I've never liked having to sell myself, especially through a resume or cover letter - I've found that I actually prefer an interview because at least then I get to talk to people and humanize my application. It sounds as if this is doubly difficult for you because you're so scared of what the job itself may entail. Put the two halves together and it makes sense that you'd be apprehensive about it.

As for jobs themselves, though, I have two thoughts. First of all, there is going to be anxiety associated with starting any new job and, I've found, the best option is to just gently allow yourself to be anxious and try to lean into the anxiety rather than avoid it or try to deny it. One way to put it would be: you're anxious! So what? (not so what in the dismissive sense, but, rather, so what does that mean?). Second of all, once you're in a job, especially a consumer facing retail job, you may find that you can skate along over the anxiety somewhat by getting into a "zone" or even a "character" in your interactions with customers. Asking people how they're doing while you're at a fast moving cash register doesn't really require any actual personality - in such a position I found myself loving busy days when my eyes would sort of glaze over and I'd just zone out, and instead of having to actually worry about the dynamics of an interaction with a customer I could use the same string of "Hi how are you?" "Did you find everything alright?" and "Have a nice day" over and over and over and over again. You become comfortable in this mode of interaction that isn't really you. In fact, the most anxious I became was when people I knew would come into the store, because I felt like I couldn't just BS them with the same glossy veneer.

Sorry to ramble. I hope that made any sense at all. I'm very hungry.

Basically, for both halves, there's going to be some degree of having to just let the anxiety beset you, be aware of it, and function around and through it. Job hunts are anxiety inducing! However, if you feel that the level of anxiety you're feeling is unreasonable, or is interfering with your functioning, that's a different story.

Have you discussed your anxiety with your parents? There may be ways they can help you break things down and manage them.

Have you ever sought mental health treatment for your anxiety?

I got my ADHD medicine today. Going to start taking it tomorrow morning since I want to be taking it morningly and not late afternoon, when I was actually able to pick it up today. It's called Vyvanase? Anyone familiar with this?

In my experience it was like longer acting Adderall with a gentler come up and come down. It'll probably take a few days to figure out the right timing for taking it, as you're right, you don't want to take it too late. Also be aware that it can suppress your appetite, so you might need to make sure you're eating and drinking enough water while on it.

I am thinking about calling it quits.
Existing is, I dont know. Not fun, I guess.

What's going on?
Can you expand your discontentment with existing into a paragraph?

Having one of those days where I feel like blowing my brains out. Don't have access to a gun, nor ever have when these feelings occurred before, thankfully.

I'm sorry you're suffering.
Are you able to identify what's different about today that's making it so unpalatable?

Never came back to check these responses because well.... I have anxiety issues. I often have a hard time (while sober) coming back to read responses to any posts I make. I just wanted to say thanks for the responses and the advice though. A month or so later and I haven't really noticed any difference w/ the zoloft (up to 100mg now) other than difficulty reaching orgasm but eh, I can live with that. That said, I haven't noticed any positive differences either. Still going to therapy but I don't think that is helping much either. He points out all the wrong thinking in my head that leads to my anxiety, depression and other issues, but does nothing to help me avoid them. Want to switch doctors, but I don't want to get flagged as doctor shopping or something (particularly because I am convinced I have an attention disorder -- while my therapist/psychiatrist does not think that is the case which seems like classic drug seeking)

Anyways, it will probably be a while again before I read any responses but I didn't want you guys to think I was a dick for never getting back to you

I'm glad you came back to update us! No worries - there are no demerits given out in Mental Health GAF for responding late (or never!) :)

Have you brought up your dissatisfaction with your treatment directly with your therapist? When he isolates your chains of thought have you tried asking him, directly, what you're supposed to do about it? Don't have to be harsh or confrontational, just direct about what it is you need and what you feel is lacking. It could help!

It seems inaccurate that the correct verb use is "receiving" therapy when (in my experience) it's a much, much better experience when you're an active participant and an advocate for your own treatment.

Have you discussed your dissatisfaction with Zoloft with your doctor?

Bottom in a sense of how much will I have. It was disastrous day yesterday. And it looks like today will be the same. Flashbacks are returning with full force.

Will is an awful thing to lose. I'm sorry you're suffering, DrM. Is there anything we can do to help?

<3
 
It sounds like there are two distinct components here: the job hunt and the job itself.

Job hunts can be a real pain. I've never liked having to sell myself, especially through a resume or cover letter - I've found that I actually prefer an interview because at least then I get to talk to people and humanize my application. It sounds as if this is doubly difficult for you because you're so scared of what the job itself may entail. Put the two halves together and it makes sense that you'd be apprehensive about it.

As for jobs themselves, though, I have two thoughts. First of all, there is going to be anxiety associated with starting any new job and, I've found, the best option is to just gently allow yourself to be anxious and try to lean into the anxiety rather than avoid it or try to deny it. One way to put it would be: you're anxious! So what? (not so what in the dismissive sense, but, rather, so what does that mean?). Second of all, once you're in a job, especially a consumer facing retail job, you may find that you can skate along over the anxiety somewhat by getting into a "zone" or even a "character" in your interactions with customers. Asking people how they're doing while you're at a fast moving cash register doesn't really require any actual personality - in such a position I found myself loving busy days when my eyes would sort of glaze over and I'd just zone out, and instead of having to actually worry about the dynamics of an interaction with a customer I could use the same string of "Hi how are you?" "Did you find everything alright?" and "Have a nice day" over and over and over and over again. You become comfortable in this mode of interaction that isn't really you. In fact, the most anxious I became was when people I knew would come into the store, because I felt like I couldn't just BS them with the same glossy veneer.

Sorry to ramble. I hope that made any sense at all. I'm very hungry.

Basically, for both halves, there's going to be some degree of having to just let the anxiety beset you, be aware of it, and function around and through it. Job hunts are anxiety inducing! However, if you feel that the level of anxiety you're feeling is unreasonable, or is interfering with your functioning, that's a different story.

Have you discussed your anxiety with your parents? There may be ways they can help you break things down and manage them.

Have you ever sought mental health treatment for your anxiety?

Thanks for the response. I've done the autopilot thing in generic polite conversation before, but it still causes me quite a bit of anxiety and it tends to feel like I'm saying the things I think will make the person go away the fastest without being rude. I suppose a retail job would force me to grow accustomed to it but it still terrifies me.

My parents do know about my anxiety, but it can be difficult to make them really understand what it entails, even though they try. I've been diagnosed and I'm currently taking Xanax and Zoloft. I've bounced around between therapists over the years, but I'm not currently seeing one because I became kind of disillusioned with the whole thing. I'll probably look into setting something up again though.
 
I took the Vyvanase this morning. I don't feel any different yet. I didn't expect to, but I'm curious if anyone knows how long I should expect for this to take effect?
 
Hmm, it was my impression that they're able to find you local mental health resources and recommend them to you. Was that not the case? I have a friend who volunteers at the local crisis line and from what I remember of what she's said about her time there they try to give people a "next step" to pursue.

Sorry it took me a bit to respond to this.

I'm sure this isn't always the case, and in part they probably weren't as concerned because I said I wasn't going to commit suicide or anything, and that I was seeing a therapist (although - while I didn't say this - but not as often as I should, and moreso for marital issues than anything). But, the call basically ended by a discussion finishing up, her saying she had another call to tend to, and going... And, that was about it...

I haven't called back since then both because of the disappointing feeling that nothing was really accomplished, and also the feeling that if I did call back, it would basically just be repeating everything from before, and not really getting much further.


I do have an appointment in a couple of weeks with a lawyer to set up a living will, which I think will at least be a big weight off my mind, since I'm constantly bothered by thinking about the "what if" of being paralyzed or in a coma or something (which is a realistic possibility if I have another stroke), and often I feel like I would rather just take the relative guarantee of being dead, over the possibility of that happening. So, at least that will be one thing taken care of.


But, I'm just so disappointed with my life. I mean, I started college in 2001. I spent 12 years in college. Got a Bachelor's, Master's, and most of the coursework on a PhD. And for what? None of it has ever done me a bit of good. Why in the world did I ever go down the Education path? Why didn't I go down the Computer Science path? I had so many opportunities to change things and turn things around. I could have actually done something with my life. I could have actually had a job that I enjoyed. Not to say it would have guaranteed not having cancer and not having a stroke, but it certainly couldn't have hurt.

And, yes, I know I'm "only" 32 and there's "still plenty of time to turn things around." And, I'm trying. But still, I've messed up the past 14 years just about as badly as I possibly could have. I know I can't live them over and do them a different way. But darn do I ever wish that I could. It would be pretty much impossible to have made things any worse than I did.

I can't kill myself. I know that. My cats need me, if nothing else. But darn do I ever wish I were dead.
 
Here's my hangup with "getting help" - every time I reach out, I get told "I'm fine" and get put on my way and continue to suffer. How do I actually convince the doctors to help me? I want to know what helps so I can circumvent whoever I'm supposed to go to because everyone refuses to help me.

I went to another doctor and got some tests done and I can view the results online along with the doctor's notes. Not everything's come back but what has is "fine, normal, etc." I'm prepping for the phone call next week where he tells me nothing's wrong. Then I just continue to suffer for years and years.

What do I actually say when he calls to make him help me? Is there something I'm missing? You all come home from the doctors' with diagnosis and prescriptions - what do you say to your doctors to make them do that?
 
Here's my hangup with "getting help" - every time I reach out, I get told "I'm fine" and get put on my way and continue to suffer. How do I actually convince the doctors to help me? I want to know what helps so I can circumvent whoever I'm supposed to go to because everyone refuses to help me.

I went to another doctor and got some tests done and I can view the results online along with the doctor's notes. Not everything's come back but what has is "fine, normal, etc." I'm prepping for the phone call next week where he tells me nothing's wrong. Then I just continue to suffer for years and years.

What do I actually say when he calls to make him help me? Is there something I'm missing? You all come home from the doctors' with diagnosis and prescriptions - what do you say to your doctors to make them do that?

Psychiatrist or general practitioner? I haven't really discussed my mental issues with a GP so I can't comment on how that works, but it was a pretty straightforward process with my psychiatrist.
 
Here's my hangup with "getting help" - every time I reach out, I get told "I'm fine" and get put on my way and continue to suffer. How do I actually convince the doctors to help me? I want to know what helps so I can circumvent whoever I'm supposed to go to because everyone refuses to help me.

I went to another doctor and got some tests done and I can view the results online along with the doctor's notes. Not everything's come back but what has is "fine, normal, etc." I'm prepping for the phone call next week where he tells me nothing's wrong. Then I just continue to suffer for years and years.

What do I actually say when he calls to make him help me? Is there something I'm missing? You all come home from the doctors' with diagnosis and prescriptions - what do you say to your doctors to make them do that?

What all did you tell your doctor about what kind of problems you were having?
I just simply told the doctor I thought I was suffering from depression and he asked me some questions, decided that I did have depression, and gave me a prescription. It was very simple and straightforward for me with that approach.
If you've been vague about your symptoms and just hoping the doctor would catch on, I'd suggest being very straightforward with him and just tell him you believe you are suffering from depression or anxiety or whatever it is. It's not the easiest thing to do. I was incredibly nervous about it. However, saying those words is over in an instant and it's very much worth the nervousness.
 
Here's my hangup with "getting help" - every time I reach out, I get told "I'm fine" and get put on my way and continue to suffer. How do I actually convince the doctors to help me? I want to know what helps so I can circumvent whoever I'm supposed to go to because everyone refuses to help me.

I went to another doctor and got some tests done and I can view the results online along with the doctor's notes. Not everything's come back but what has is "fine, normal, etc." I'm prepping for the phone call next week where he tells me nothing's wrong. Then I just continue to suffer for years and years.

What do I actually say when he calls to make him help me? Is there something I'm missing? You all come home from the doctors' with diagnosis and prescriptions - what do you say to your doctors to make them do that?

It might help to talk about how your problem is negatively affecting your life, or endangering your current way of life.

Everyone does get depressed/anxious/distracted/obsessive/whatever from time to time. What turns those into medical problems is when they're so severe they are affecting your lifestyle.
 
If you've been vague about your symptoms and just hoping the doctor would catch on, I'd suggest being very straightforward with him and just tell him you believe you are suffering from depression or anxiety or whatever it is. It's not the easiest thing to do. I was incredibly nervous about it. However, saying those words is over in an instant and it's very much worth the nervousness.
I told him that I had depression, anxiety and panic disorder - that they're likely symptoms of something much more significant and that I had recently discovered my father was a diagnosed schizophrenic.

It might help to talk about how your problem is negatively affecting your life, or endangering your current way of life.
I don't know what I would say.
 
Things feel weird right now. My body is pushing me towards productivity but my brain doesn't know what to do with that. I'm trying to manipulate myself into using the extra time to go to the gym and fix myself up.

The thing is, from an economic standpoint everything seems fine. I have a part time job (for now) and I'm in college. Even health wise I'm not that bad. Certainly nothing unfixable. And these are the things that people bring up to me when I'm at a low point. But they're also not the main issue. The main issue is from a social standpoint: I feel like garbage for not being able to form lasting bonds with people as easily as I used to, and my desire to do better us tangled up in my doubts of whether or not that's even possible. Everything that makes socializing easy (common interests, most importantly) seems lost to me.
 
I was happy a couple of nights ago, when I was up all night playing video games. But my fatigue kicked in.

Yesterday was okay, but today was pretty bad. I was thinking about suicide for most of the day.
 
I'm currently in NYC for the weekend visiting my best friend, whom I don't get to see too often. I'm usually in a good mood when I'm in NYC, but this time is different.

Today we did a lot, we went to the metropolitan museum of art, went to Times Square, and walked around a lot in the city, usually that would make me happy because I love NYC and everything it has to offer, but that's why I wasn't enjoying myself, I was doing nothing of the many things NYC has to offer.
 
I told him that I had depression, anxiety and panic disorder - that they're likely symptoms of something much more significant and that I had recently discovered my father was a diagnosed schizophrenic.

Huh. In that case, I would definitely try to see a different doctor. I can't imagine why a doctor would simply shrug that off and boot you out the door saying you're all good. I'm sorry about your very poor luck. I hope you're able to find treatment soon.
 
My friend invited me over last night, but I have a hard time enjoying myself when I'm there. I used to when he had his own place, but after a while even that got boring. We'd just sit and drink, while watching movies/TV or playing video games.

But, when he became a PC gamer and got addicted to LoL and Minecraft, he'd spend hours on there with friends and a mic while I'd watch TV. Still does it.

I just don't find drinking fun anymore, though. I used to only do it two to three times a month, and now only do once every one or two months with him. But I'm too into my head that I can't get drunk anymore, and it makes my depression/loneliness worse.
 
I'm always a little bit suicidal but man, this month has been rough. I just keep thinking that everyone would be better off without me.
 
I told him that I had depression, anxiety and panic disorder - that they're likely symptoms of something much more significant and that I had recently discovered my father was a diagnosed schizophrenic.

I don't know what I would say.

I was probably too limiting focusing on the lifestyle aspect.

Basically, ask yourself what is it specifically that lead you to feeling you need help, and focus on that. Doctors usually like to hear about your symptoms more than your diagnosis, and with mental health the symptoms are usually the problem, so you need to explain why those symptoms are bad enough that they need to be addressed. Let the doctors worry about classifying that problem with a diagnosis.

I understand it can be hard to put your mental health problems into words. I don't know how I could help with that, but some examples might help. Like if you're having a hard time enjoying stuff you normally would, sleeping too much/too little, regularly avoiding common situations thanks to feeling down or stressed, and getting a racing heart, shortness of breath and lightheadedness in situations most people wouldn't find stressful, those might be good things to focus on when talking to your doctor.

I'm not a doctor or anything, and can only speak from my experience. You can disregard if it's not making sense.

Edit: It could just be the doctor too. Some doctors just have weird beliefs that are counter to the majority of doctor's opinions.
 
I'm always a little bit suicidal but man, this month has been rough. I just keep thinking that everyone would be better off without me.

At the very least, I know I really enjoy seeing you around in this thread, so not everyone would be better off without you.

With that said, hang in there, jb. I hope you can pull through this extra rough patch.

I just don't find drinking fun anymore, though. I used to only do it two to three times a month, and now only do once every one or two months with him. But I'm too into my head that I can't get drunk anymore, and it makes my depression/loneliness worse.

Yeah, same here. I finally decided for myself (I mean, I always knew it was true, but didn't really believe it deep down or something) that drinking while I was depressed would just make me even more depressed. And drinking while I wasn't depressed or wasn't too depressed would just make me more vulnerable to depression. Now that I've figured that out, I pretty much have no desire to drink. I've had maybe 2 drinks in the past month, when it used to be... many more than that. And this is in a family where I get offered a glass of wine or some other drink probably 5 nights out of 7. I'm curious to notice if anyone in my family has caught on to the sudden change from gladly accepting a drink (and usually asking for one or two more) to saying no pretty much every time.

I was probably too limiting focusing on the lifestyle aspect.

Basically, ask yourself what is it specifically that lead you to feeling you need help, and focus on that. Doctors usually like to hear about your symptoms more than your diagnosis, and with mental health the symptoms are usually the problem, so you need to explain why those symptoms are bad enough that they need to be addressed. Let the doctors worry about classifying that problem with a diagnosis.

I understand it can be hard to put your mental health problems into words. I don't know how I could help with that, but some examples might help. Like if you're having a hard time enjoying stuff you normally would, sleeping too much/too little, regularly avoiding common situations thanks to feeling down or stressed, and getting a racing heart, shortness of breath and lightheadedness in situations most people wouldn't find stressful, those might be good things to focus on when talking to your doctor.

I'm not a doctor or anything, and can only speak from my experience. You can disregard if it's not making sense.

Edit: It could just be the doctor too. Some doctors just have weird beliefs that are counter to the majority of doctor's opinions.

I completely agree that just saying what your self-diagnosis is isn't enough and that you also need to tell your doctor your symptoms so that they can come to the same conclusion for themselves.
However, any doctor worth their salt should ask about the symptoms themself if you go to them saying you have whatever diagnosis.
If grapefruitman went to the doctor and said, "Hey, I've got these issues," any decent doctor should start asking him "So, have you been having this and this problem? What has this and this been like for you?" etc. rather than just saying "Nah, you're fine."
Basically, grapefruitman, I still think you ought to see another doctor if that's a possibility for you. Unless there's something I'm missing, I think you just got very unlucky with a doctor who is ignorant to mental health issues or something.

Also, potatoman, I just want to clarify that any annoyance in my reply to your post is directed towards the doctor/the situation, not you. I'm not sure if it came across that way or not, but I just want to be clear that I'm in no way arguing with your post. I completely agree with what you said and your advice. :P
 
So yesterday was a less happy day for me than the previous days this week, but paradoxically, it was probably even more encouraging than as far as mental health is concerned than the happier days.
I had a few negative circumstances occur within a 24 hour period which I think would've usually sent me to a depressed state. But instead, I was able to take these circumstances for what they were and not blow them out of proportion. I allowed the appropriate negative feelings to go through me but didn't dwell on them and I accepted that it's completely normal to not be 100% happy all the time and that negative things will happen and it's okay for me to become less happy because of them.
I'm not sure if I'm explaining that quite right, but all in all, I felt like I was able to deal with these negative circumstances in a very healthy way, and then I was able to move on and have a very nice rest of the day.
Oh, and on top of that, I went for a bike ride and had the most energy I can recall having in a very, very long time, which felt awesome.

So yeah, while it wasn't the happiest day I've had this past week, it was incredibly encouraging for me.
 
Just wanted to share. I've always had big issues with energy and mental fatigue which seemed to be impossible to improve but I've been making some changes that are really making a difference:

- Get some exercise: got a pull-up bar and resistance bands so no need to get heavy weights which can be a barrier to get started. I'm doing P90X but I'm skipping a day now and then to take things slowly.
- Improve my diet: I've started eating 2 eggs, a handful of nuts and a big bowl of green soup every day. More fish and beans as well. I also cut down on sugary foods. These all provide nutrients (like vitamins and good fats) for good brain health.
- Slowly create new habits that are mentally active. Picking up new habits is really tough so it's important to take it slow. I've started playing piano for an hour 5x a week.

I had tried to do each of these separately before but that didn't make much of a difference and I quickly gave up. Combined though I have noticed significant gains.
 
I really hate Facebook sometimes..I think it may be time to delete it but a part of me feels like I would feel even more alone. The problem is you can't post one negative thing or it seems like everyone rips into me and calls me a complainer or something to that degree. When your so alone who are you even suppose to vent to or talk to? I guess I always have to hold everything in and post nothing but positive things! Kinda hard to do when your life is shit though and you don't leave your room...sighhhhhh.
 
Does anyone have experience with taking time off work due to depression?

I'm wondering if it's an option I should consider. Have had anxiety and depression problems for nearly 2 years now. I've been prescribed Fluoxetine since then. However I'm still getting very low at times and I find that due to my current routine with life, I am not having any time for myself; to get things right. I'm wondering if taking some time off work would be a viable idea or not.

Thanks.
 
I really hate Facebook sometimes..I think it may be time to delete it but a part of me feels like I would feel even more alone. The problem is you can't post one negative thing or it seems like everyone rips into me and calls me a complainer or something to that degree. When your so alone who are you even suppose to vent to or talk to? I guess I always have to hold everything in and post nothing but positive things! Kinda hard to do when your life is shit though and you don't leave your room...sighhhhhh.

Being on social media when you're depressed is a terrible thing to do. I know, I've been there many a time. I whine on Twitter and whatnot. My followers get a bunch of sadness they never asked for, some get irritated, and I get frustrated with myself for putting that stuff out there, as if I'm asking for attention that in reality I don't need or deserve for having problems.

I would be more about deleting your facebook if you felt that the stuff you read was causing you to feel fatigued or disenchanted with your friends/other people and making your condition(s) worse. That stuff is outside of your control and the best way to avoid it and to keep yourself mentally healthy from that stuff is to delete it and not look at it. However if the things you post are what hurts you, then that's a self control thing. Ask yourself what the benefit of posting something on Facebook is, and what the negatives could be. Does the latter outweigh the former?

Ultimately the real solution is to have friends you can rely on and talk to in a crisis but as many people in this thread will attest to, we as a mentally ill group don't tend to have that many of those kinds of people. I don't know your situation but obviously getting out would help, too. Anything that gets you away from Facebook/social media is probably a good thing when you're feeling that way.

If you need someone to talk to, there is always the list of folk who are AFAIK still available to talk, in the thread OP, or you can just stick a post ITT asking if there's anyone around to talk to.
 
I don't know if anyone here watches Anime, but I just finished watching "Welcome to the NHK".

The story revolves around a main character who is anti-social (among other problems), and is helped by another stranger (who you later learn has their own set of problems) to overcome his issues. While the show touches a lot of subjects some unique to Japanese society, it also tackles subjects like anxiety, depression, bullying, abuse, loneliness, and suicide. I really think anyone will find something to relate to while watching.

I kept this show in my neverending mental backlog of TV/Anime for like years meaning to watch it, until just 2 days ago it popped up in a recommend thumbnail while surfing YouTube, and I decided for whatever reason to finally give it a look.

To help paint a picture I don't really keep up with whats going on TV let alone Anime. I marathoned the whole series this weekend. I never do that! It was just so refreshing to finally watch something that paints a decent backdrop on how people deal with life and many of its emotional roller coasters.

While I can't say its a show without it flaws, I can say its probably the only one to really hit me at my core, even questioning some scenes that straight up looked like they were speaking directly about me.

Even it you don't like Anime, I still recommend it as a worthwhile watch, or at least go in with an open mind. :)
 

The only thing we do when we hang out is drink, though. He doesn't do much else. So, it's tough. I don't want to spend money on booze since I don't have much of an income right now and have yet to get on disability, but I feel bad when he's buying and I'm not so I do to be fair.

I hate wasting money on it.
 
Hey guys,

First of all, this is my first post ever on Neogaf (although I've been lurking for forever).

I've viewed this thread and the previous editions of it time and again throughout the past couple years as I've dealt with my own struggles with depression and anxiety. It's definitely been helpful to read other people's experiences and advice, even if I wasn't able to actively participate until now.

There's plenty of experiences I can share in regard to my mental health struggles, and I'll share some of them in time, but for this post, I wanted to highlight one particular aspect that has been bothering me for quite some time now, which is OCD. Particularly, obsessions and intrusive thoughts.

I've always had OCD for as long as I could remember, but it really grew in the past couple of years. I do a whole manner of things; "rituals", if you want to call them that. You know, like checking locked doors a certain number of times. They're little things, and they're not particularly debilitating to me on a day to day basis. A slight annoyance.

But what has really pestered me a lot in the past and still today are intrusive thoughts, which can easily absorb a good chunk of my time if I let myself be caught up and dwell on them. They usually fall in the ballpark of imagining myself doing or saying something rude, nasty, or just plain despicable, and then going through a series of "checks" to make sure that I have not actually done such a terrible act.

I'm assuming most people are at least aware of what intrusive thoughts are, and they're actually fairly common in people, just imagining these "what if?" scenarios that you understand and recognize as something that should not and will not ever actually be committed. But the issue for people such as myself is when you start obsessing over them.

Specifically, what I do is typically imagine myself saying something really hurtful and offensive to somebody, usually someone I'm currently talking to, and then I begin to build anxiety over whether or not I actually DID say or do that thing, even though logically I understand that I didn't and would never do it.

And it really becomes a complete disaster with Facebook. I hate going on to that site only because I'm in such a high state of anxiety over whether I'm going to type out something really offensive and piss people off. And so I end up checking and re-checking people's pages and my own pages to make sure I haven't said anything bad, and if I end up thinking something bad during these checks, I need to "start over" and make sure that THAT thought didn't make its way onto a page. So you can imagine how these situations go: if you try to make yourself not think about something, you're going to think about it, aren't you?

And so, here I am sometimes spending literally hours going through FB pages doing this stupid thing, only because if I don't, it'll be in the back of my mind bothering me the whole day. And all despite the fact that I know how insane and illogical it is too.

It's not debilitating enough that it's hampering my life significantly. I just graduated from college and heading off to grad school soon, so it hasn't affected my focus on school or anything. But it's still such an unnecessary pain in the ass to deal with, and I fear if this type of thing is only going to get worse over time till the point that it WILL start affecting my life in major ways.


Yeah, so I just wanted to get this out and see if anybody here has dealt with similar OCD issues like this? I think this stuff and my battles with depression all stem from a deeply rooted anxiety issue I've always had, so I'm sure it's all related in some way. I am currently taking Prozac right now, mainly for depression, which is on and off, but the OCD has never shown any sign of slowing down for me no matter what medications I'm on.
 
Something that's always been really frustrating for me is not being able to appreciate the good things that happen to me. Like, consciously I know when something good happens that should give my mood a boost and raise my confidence and self-esteem, but I just can't make it click. Mostly when it comes to compliments. They seem to just go right over my head. Like, I'll listen to something nice someone says about me, but it just doesn't connect. It's almost as if I don't believe they're actually talking about me or something. It's the same feeling I'd get as if someone was saying nice things to me about someone else. I just think to myself "Oh, that's nice of them to say" and then it doesn't really have any effect on me.

The only thing we do when we hang out is drink, though. He doesn't do much else. So, it's tough. I don't want to spend money on booze since I don't have much of an income right now and have yet to get on disability, but I feel bad when he's buying and I'm not so I do to be fair.

I hate wasting money on it.

Ah yeah, I definitely get what you mean. That's a difficult situation. It's really tough when you've got a relationship with someone already and it ends up changing in a way that you don't really like, but that friendship is one of the only ones you have so you stick with it cause it's what you've got. I've definitely had quite a few friendships like that.

Hey guys,

First of all, this is my first post ever on Neogaf (although I've been lurking for forever).

Hey Common Knowledge! Welcome to the thread! It's always great to see new people in here.
I don't have any specific advice regarding OCD since I haven't suffered from it, but you said you've tried meds for your OCD and they didn't work? Have you given a therapist a shot?
I hope you're able to find some relief from your symptoms. Take care.
 
Hey guys,
Hi!
This is me exactly. God the hours I spend checking and double checking and then checking again for tweets I know I did not send but hey maybe I did let's check again.

I don't have any advice for you, I wish I did. But if you find a fix, let MikeDip know.

EDIT: I meant all of it too btw. The checking the everything. It's like you took my brain.
 
Thanks for caring, i won't end my misery tonight... i haven't entertained enough just yet.

Well, alright. :/

If you ever feel like it, you can PM me or post in here and I'll try to answer as soon as I can. Same offer goes for everyone in here. I'm no stranger to these feelings myself.

By the way, pixelation, what do you mean by "entertain"? Is that referring to a hobby or something else you do?
 
Follow up. He was merely joking about "maiming" them. They ended up getting the stitches stretched too much from cuddling them too tight. Which makes a lot of sense. He does tend to joke a lot... that one scared me though!

Still nervous, but I'm certain I'm going. Hopefully it goes well and I don't end up feeling homesick or just anxious the entire time. And my OCD is already getting worse when it comes to this trip so :(
 
No matter what I do, I can't seem to expand my social circle outside from work related contracts. I have tried many ways to make new friends on multiple group meet ups and trying new things. But every person that I had come across is so busy texting or holding onto what they have, they can't even bother to care how others are doing. This is making me frustrated, especially when these group meet ups are designed to be social meet ups.

I can't move on from my failures, as I had a bit of a mental breakdown at work, and people are starting to feel uncomfortable working with me.
 
I don't know what to do now. I've been recently diagnosed with ADHD and I've basically just now realized I've been struggling with this all my life until now. I've lost two programming jobs, both for pretty much the same reason: Making stupid mistakes because of missing details/not testing enough, and the former causing me to miss deadlines or have to go back and fix things that should have been correct in the first place.

The thing is, I really LOVED the company at my last job. The people there were great, and despite my personal stresses with the work, I loved the job. Everyone there liked me, even my boss liked my personality, but just had issues with my work which is why I was terminated from the job. Then my girlfriend suggested something: I should tell them about the ADHD and ask for my job back, as the worst they can do is say no.

The thing is, I'm feeling a little embarrased and stupid about this plan. I mean, it does make sense in theory, but I just don't know about actually doing it. I feel like they might think I'm just lying and trying to get my job back, I have no idea. I kind of think I should do one of a few options:

A. Talk to one of my former coworkers/friends from the company I was close to about it, and see what they think.
B. Talk to the HR guy, offer to take him to lunch and discuss this with him in person if possible, but if not, over phone or email.
C. Just ask my former boss.
D. Not do it at all.

I just don't know what to do here. I'm scared and hate having yet another thing wrong with me like this.

I read this and this is pretty much how I feel in general, and it applies even moreso to me as I'm a programmer.

http://devpressed.com/t/looking-for-help-advice-on-dealing-with-adhd-as-a-web-developer/421
 
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