So Hufflepuff is CLEARLY the best house...

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Sou Da said:
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I always viewed Hufflepuff as the middle class of the wizarding world. The strong-backed many who made it possible for the entire thing to exist. The other houses had a few who climbed to greatness or villainy, but seemed like such a small percentage of overall wizards.
 
Apt101 said:
I always viewed Hufflepuff as the middle class of the wizarding world. The strong-backed many who made it possible for the entire thing to exist. The other houses had a few who climbed to greatness or villainy, but seemed like such a small percentage of overall wizards.
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Like I said, Hufflepuff (and to a lesser extent? Ravenclaw) are the people with actual careers. In Gryffindor you're either a stand out or a wash out, and in Slytherin you'd better come from old money or have been grovelling at the feet of someone who did, or else you're nothing.
 
Vibranium said:
Slytherin needed to be portrayed as being divided by the "Death Eater kids" and actually decent, ambitious people, rather than cartoonishly evil. Rowling really messed up there, should have had them at the final battle. She also should have had some Slytherin kids tell Malfoy to fuck off and back up Harry during previous books.
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thats also a question I had, they were supposed to be backstabbing bastards and glory seeking assholes iirc but most of the time they were just a bunch of lackies scared to do shit. I was specting at least some of them being "oh 7 years and voldermort hasn't been able to kill Potter, now, he brought himself back to school and is telling everybody that he has some kind of plan maybe if I side with him I can backstab that bully I have for a boss and make a name for myself"

or something like that
 
backslashbunny said:
Meh, Snape was always kinda fucked up, even as a kid, even though it was a result of his circumstances and upbringing and not him, himself, being evil. He was kinda a jerk, even as a kid, though. He was mean to Petunia initially, and seemed taken aback when, despite Petunia being a right ass to Lily, Lily got mad at Snape for not being nice to her sister.

But you have a point, when it gets personal, that's often when someone gets involved.

Also, JKR really wanted to beat the whole "LOVE CONQUERS ALLLLLL" message into the readers' minds.
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Snape was all good in the story or by the end. He was, at best, the dude you wanted on your side but didn't always invite over to your house on movie night.
 
I dunno, I felt like Snape would have ended up fine if he wasn't bullied, if Lily stuck with him enough not to get swayed with the wrong folk, and if he wasn't a bit of a grudge holder. He has qualities of Ravenclaw and Griffindor.
 
Dumbledore did say that he wondered whether students were sorted into separate houses far too early, as evidenced by Snape's growth and newfound bravery.
 
working hard and busting your ass is actually the best measure of success. It is a far better predictor than intelligence (courage or ambition? plz).

So yea, Hufflepuff definitely is the best.
 
Boss Doggie said:
I dunno, I felt like Snape would have ended up fine if he wasn't bullied, if Lily stuck with him enough not to get swayed with the wrong folk, and if he wasn't a bit of a grudge holder. He has qualities of Ravenclaw and Griffindor.
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Can't blame Lily (or a lack thereof) for Snape joining the wrong crowd. Snape is to blame for that alone, Lily or no Lily.
 
BKatastrophe said:
Can't blame Lily (or a lack thereof) for Snape joining the wrong crowd. Snape is to blame for that alone, Lily or no Lily.
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well, the Sorting Hat too

I mean, with Snape being in Slytherin implies that there are muggleborns in Slytherin, so the sorting hat was being stupid as usual
 
Boss Doggie said:
I dunno, I felt like Snape would have ended up fine if he wasn't bullied, if Lily stuck with him enough not to get swayed with the wrong folk, and if he wasn't a bit of a grudge holder. He has qualities of Ravenclaw and Griffindor.
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Would have been inconsequential if Lily would have stuck. Remember the reason she stopped being friends with him, because he decided to throw some blood supremacy crap in her face. He was already in too deep.
 
Pffft. Y'all can have your snobby British school for jerks and wimps.

Durmstrang all day baby. Gimme all that dark magic.
 
No no no, the best house is clearly
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Where all the most beautiful, smartest and best students who are too good for any other house go.

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Cheerilee said:
The Wizarding World has deep shittyness. Their whole world used to be controlled by a small number of inbred "great families" who had all the money (and eventually started to decay and crumble), and Dark Wizards like Voldemort and Grindelwald popped up with regularity and formed armies around them.
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Let's not forget about the acceptance of child abuse, racism (centaurs, goblins), blood discrimination, slavery, date rape drugs and animal cruelty.
 
ibyea said:
Would have been inconsequential if Lily would have stuck. Remember the reason she stopped being friends with him, because he decided to throw some blood supremacy crap in her face. He was already in too deep.
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I thought that was because she was already far away from him that his other friends managed to influence him.

Also it's really ironic especially when he himself is not pureblood (and hilariously, so is Tom Riddle).
 
I kind of want to try Pottermore again but last time I did I got Slytherin. God forbid they resort me into Gryffindor or... Hufflepuff 😱
 
Boss Doggie said:
I thought that was because she was already far away from him that his other friends managed to influence him.

Also it's really ironic especially when he himself is not pureblood (and hilariously, so is Tom Riddle).
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Snape was born a Slytherin. He and Lily were both raised around Muggles, and when he met Lily, his attitude towards them was "They're not like us, we're superior." She tried to talk him out of that kind of thinking, but he didn't listen.

When they went to Hogwarts, Snape sorted after Lily, and he went to Slytherin instead of following her to Gryffindor.

The Hat gave Snape everything he wanted and everything he believed in, and he chose that over Lily. The Slytherins taught him that (more than just Muggle/Wizard) he was second-class compared to a pureblood Wizard, and Lily was second-class compared to him. And he believed it, because it lined up with his existing belief that some people are better than others.

He didn't need to be a pure blood to get along with Slytherins, he just needed to agree that purebloods are better. He just needed to know his place. And he made a bold statement of rejecting his impure blood, claiming that he wasn't half-Muggle, he was half-Wizard.

Snape became a Death Eater while still in Hogwarts, and Lily was still his friend.

The Hat sent Snape to the house that lined up with his innermost beliefs, and developed him into one of the greatest Potion Masters in recent history. If Snape truly wanted to be with Lily, the Hat would've let him follow her, but "Slytherin" meant more to him than Lily did. The only "mistake" in Snape's sorting was Hogwarts allowing a House like Slytherin to exist at all, but considering that ~1/4 of the Wizarding population has a hardcore belief in Slytherin, abolishing it would be a serious battle.

People tend to blame the Hat for flaws in the individual, flaws in the system, and flaws in society, but the Hat appears to do a great job of reading and directing people, under rules that say that Slytherin is a perfectly valid choice, and that the Hat can't judge you or look down on you, no matter what's in your heart.

Dumbledore thinks that maybe they sort too soon, because maybe then he could've deprogrammed Snape before giving him a chance to settle in with the wrong crowd, but then... what happens when you get a Slytherin headmaster instead of a Gryffindor? Should a Slytherin also be given that kind of power to shape the future?
 
Cheerilee said:
Snape was born a Slytherin. He and Lily were both raised around Muggles, and when he met Lily, his attitude towards them was "They're not like us, we're superior." She tried to talk him out of that kind of thinking, but he didn't listen.

When they went to Hogwarts, Snape sorted after Lily, and he went to Slytherin instead of following her to Gryffindor.

The Hat gave Snape everything he wanted and everything he believed in, and he chose that over Lily. The Slytherins taught him that (more than just Muggle/Wizard) he was second-class compared to a pureblood Wizard, and Lily was second-class compared to him. And he believed it, because it lined up with his existing belief that some people are better than others.

He didn't need to be a pure blood to get along with Slytherins, he just needed to agree that purebloods are better. He just needed to know his place. And he made a bold statement of rejecting his impure blood, claiming that he wasn't half-Muggle, he was half-Wizard.

Snape became a Death Eater while still in Hogwarts, and Lily was still his friend.

The Hat sent Snape to the house that lined up with his innermost beliefs, and developed him into one of the greatest Potion Masters in recent history. If Snape truly wanted to be with Lily, the Hat would've let him follow her, but "Slytherin" meant more to him than Lily did. The only "mistake" in Snape's sorting was Hogwarts allowing a House like Slytherin to exist at all, but considering that ~1/4 of the Wizarding population has a hardcore belief in Slytherin, abolishing it would be a serious battle.

People tend to blame the Hat for flaws in the individual, flaws in the system, and flaws in society, but the Hat appears to do a great job of reading and directing people, under rules that say that Slytherin is a perfectly valid choice, and that the Hat can't judge you or look down on you, no matter what's in your heart.

Dumbledore thinks that maybe they sort too soon, because maybe then he could've deprogrammed Snape before giving him a chance to settle in with the wrong crowd, but then... what happens when you get a Slytherin headmaster instead of a Gryffindor? Should a Slytherin also be given that kind of power to shape the future?
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I always figured he lost his touch with Lily after the whole incident when they were at school. I forgot which, but I think something happened that made Lily think of him less.

I always thought the hat could be wrong though, since sometimes he pressures students, sometimes he doesn't. And I always figured Snape kept his heritage to himself since he made sure the HBP's identity wasn't connected to him (until Harry tried to force it out by using his spell).
 
Caleb187 said:
TIL Luna Lovegood was actually Ravenclaw and not Hufflepuff. Nothing makes sense anymore.
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To be honest, I didn't know which one she was for certain either, but I'm pretty sure they make a big deal out of it in one of the last two books when they're searching for one of the Horcruxes and have to go into the tower.
 
Boss Doggie said:
I always figured he lost his touch with Lily after the whole incident when they were at school. I forgot which, but I think something happened that made Lily think of him less.

I always thought the hat could be wrong though, since sometimes he pressures students, sometimes he doesn't. And I always figured Snape kept his heritage to himself since he made sure the HBP's identity wasn't connected to him (until Harry tried to force it out by using his spell).
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He called her a mudblood, that's why they were no longer friends and that happened after a few years. It wasn't right away, he fell in with the wrong crowd while they were still friendly. Snape's motives have always been entirely selfish but that doesn't mean he doesn't do the right thing after Lily's dead. He just does it for the wrong reasons and that's ok.
 
BkzUzi said:
The school's houses were stupid anyway. They should have burned the sorting hat in the end of the book.
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Agreed; I even thought the books hinted at things going that way but it was never confirmed (unless there is info on Pottermore about this). To be honest I thought a lot more could have been done at the end with Harry and co. improving the Wizarding world for everyone and leaving a significant legacy, like more respect towards magical creatures, integrating with muggles and losing the Sorting process.

I mean, all these issues are brought up in the books and Hermione especially seems to care about equality in the magical world (her focus on justice and demonstrations like SPEW are what make her a Gryffindor rather than a Ravenclaw). Maybe I should delve into Pottermore a little deeper, because flavour pieces on how the modern Wizarding world has changed post-Voldemort would be much more satisfying than the epilogue to Deathly Hallows.

As for Hufflepuff, someone wrote up an interesting study of the House qualities based on the Pottermore sorting quiz. They concluded that the 'puffs are very practical and value loyalty; they are drawn towards subjects like Herbology and Care of Magical Creatures because they're interested in nature and practical skills. It was pretty cool actually, and the books seem to sell them short in this regard.
 
Rowling should write a Rosencrantz and Gildenstern style novella where 2 Hufflepuffs and their unusually intelligent, talking pet doxy sarcastically observe the events unfolding around them, and sometimes wittingly and unwittingly influence the plot of the main HP storyline unbeknownst to the main cast.
 
Outside of Slytherin, the sorting wasn't really a negative thing. All the other houses were friendly with each other. Also classes were held with other houses, so they would get to know their peers in the other houses.
 
Rentahamster said:
Rowling should write a Rosencrantz and Gildenstern style novella where 2 Hufflepuffs and their unusually intelligent, talking pet doxy sarcastically observe the events unfolding around them, and sometimes wittingly and unwittingly influence the plot of the main HP storyline unbeknownst to the main cast.
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We need our The Problem of Susan for Harry Potter.
 
This thread makes me want to re-read the series, I'll probably end up picking up the illustrated editions as they come out.

Also, I love Ravenclaw but lets be real the high point of their relevance outside of the last 100 pages of Book 7 was when Cho and Harry got together.

Also I miss the sorting quiz that Personality Lab had, that was by far the best one and super legit (way better than Pottermore). I was a Ravenclaw
 
I saw everyone talking about the Pottermore thing so I signed up. Didn't seem too clever.

I got Ravenclaw.
 
DrForester said:
Outside of Slytherin, the sorting wasn't really a negative thing. All the other houses were friendly with each other. Also classes were held with other houses, so they would get to know their peers in the other houses.
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Yeah I blame Rowling for that. I mean sure she tried alleviating the problem by having Slughorn, but even still, Syltherin feels so stilted.
 
Boss Doggie said:
Yeah I blame Rowling for that. I mean sure she tried alleviating the problem by having Slughorn, but even still, Syltherin feels so stilted.
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Even Sughorn was a bigoted prick with creepy pedo undertones ("collecting" students and all that). If he really was Rowling's attempt to make a "nice" Slytherin, then damn...
 
Slytherins are just cartoonishly bad. When I was reading Deathly Hallows and I saw the Slytherins bail out, I was so angry at Rowling. They should have fought for the school, I have no idea why she decided to write it like that.
 
I like to think Hogwarts goes through really long periods.

The Harry Potter period has brave Gryffindors and dastardly Slytherins, but at one time it could've been different. Say, hundreds and hundreds of years ago?

Devilishly brilliant Slytherins stealthily saving the world with world class potions and genie-level deals with goblins, whilst boneheaded elitist show-offy Gryffindors try to stop them.

It could happen.

Maybe even Hufflepuff once had its day.

Maybe Ravenclaw will one day be the only bastion of sanity and reason, and will have to save Hogwarts, and the world, from its own stupidity!

So you can't get rid of even one house, because when its time comes, you'll be thanking the stars for it.
 
A-V-B said:
I like to think Hogwarts goes through really long periods.

The Harry Potter period has brave Gryffindors and dastardly Slytherins, but at one time it could've been different. Say, hundreds and hundreds of years ago?

Devilishly brilliant Slytherins stealthily saving the world with world class potions and genie-level deals with goblins, whilst boneheaded elitist show-offy Gryffindors try to stop them.

It could happen.

Maybe even Hufflepuff once had its day.

Maybe Ravenclaw will one day be the only bastion of sanity and reason, and will have to save Hogwarts, and the world, from its own stupidity!

So you can't get rid of even one house, because when its time comes, you'll be thanking the stars for it.
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Basically, Slytherin at their best would be the Scorpion clan from L5R:

We do a LOOOOOOT of seemingly bad shit, but we do it for the benefit of the whole and really don't give a shit what you think. In fact, we encourage you to think poorly of us.

Hufflepuff at their best would be the group actually accomplishing shit while the Slytherins plan, the Ravenclaws debate, and the Gryffindor go out and get senselessly killed.
 
foxtrot3d said:
So did people not read the books where it is specifically stated that Neville fits the prophecy and could have been the Chosen One?
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Apparently not. Because I did and I already knew everything he was going to say. Though he did end up saying that both of them are the chosen ones and that without both of them working in tandem Voldemort couldn't be defeated. I dunno.

I just finished Half-Blood Prince and am now watching the movie. Why did they have to put that whole restaurant opening with Harry asking a cute shop girl out only to have him stand her up inadvertently. Was she even in the book? I don't remember her. Unless they just changed her to be Harry's date instead of the twins who talk about her later on at Christmas. It makes me sad that she got stood up. I don't know why. They could have easily left her out and not played with my feels like that.

Note: I haven't seen this film since the theater. Just like Order of the Phoenix and both Deathly Hallows. Somehow I ended up seeing the first four so many times on DVD and ABC Family way back in the day.

Tomorrow I'll start on Hallows. I'm so glad I decided to read these books.
 
Sagely said:
As for Hufflepuff, someone wrote up an interesting study of the House qualities based on the Pottermore sorting quiz. They concluded that the 'puffs are very practical and value loyalty; they are drawn towards subjects like Herbology and Care of Magical Creatures because they're interested in nature and practical skills. It was pretty cool actually, and the books seem to sell them short in this regard.
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Any chance you could dig up that analysis again? Seems like a cool read.
 
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