SolidSnakex
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Which was a remake of the original game, so it was sequel.
Point is that it's not a fair comparison to compare the 3D game to FF7 Remake or to compare DMC to the remake, because neither of those games are remakes.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake Announced (First on PS4)
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Which was a remake of the original game, so it was sequel.
Point is that it's not a fair comparison to compare the 3D game to FF7 Remake or to compare DMC to the remake, because neither of those games are remakes.My exact thoughts while reading this thread.
Did it overhaul the gameplay of the original to be more modern?
encephalon
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Maybe we'll see something in winter, but I'd imagine it's far to early to see what the battle system will look like. Especially when it will likely change and evolve over the course of its development.
You clearly need to go back and read my post. I'm pointing out the differences between a remaster and a remake.
What defines FF7's identity?
1) It's story
2) How it plays
If you fundamentally change either of these things it's essentially no longer FF7. You can make huge adjustments to either one in the attempt to modernize it or make it more exciting, but if it turns into a straight ARPG ala Kingdom Hearts or even FF15, you might as well include every other conceivable game genre as a viable candidate for the remake to take on.
Thank you, this is exactly what I was saying.
Stone Ocean
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It did but it was mostly concerning level and enemy design than mechanics per se
I would be legitimately surprised (in a bad way) if they went to a Kingdom Hearts style. Trying to put all of my cynicism about updated gameplay aside, I don't think we're going to see a gameplay change which is that dramatic. I imagine and hope that we'll get something that's akin to a much smoother and better animated FFX or X-2 system. Square would be straight up crazy if they actually turned the game into a semi-glorified beat-em-up and took control of the other party members out of the player's hands
encephalon
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This is not what Nomura means by "just improve the graphics" -
This is -
The former is implausible and he would never consider it. It's best to not entertain the complete insanity that is the notion that the game could in any way simply be "remastered," as has been repeated on NeoGAF. Even the most conservative remake will build upon the existing content, add new dungeons and materia, etc.
crooked spin
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there is a whole spectrum between "stand in a line ATB" and "KH-style action"... but honestly i'm going to assume right now the remake will be closer to the latter. just how it's gonna be nowadays.
i'm not sure why anyone would be concerned about censoring violence and language either when GTA5 and the like is in the mainstream.
i'm not sure why anyone would be concerned about censoring violence and language either when GTA5 and the like is in the mainstream.
beardedmoose
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Agreed. A smoother and better animated X-2 System would do wonders for the game and it would still maintain its identity intact, to a certain extent at least.
encephalon
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They need to aim for CERO B or C.
Im always in favor of more KH combat, but given its a remake I expect turn based. I will be VERY disappointed if traditional FF7 combat stand in a line though. I would at least like for people to move around the battlefield.
Via Purifico
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Red XIII mauling Hojo in HD revenge never looked so good.
Stone Ocean
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GTA doesn't aim for a T rating
crooked spin
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Is Square aiming for that? Maybe I'm missing something.
Stone Ocean
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IIRC from one of the interviews that's what they're going for
That should be fine. There isn't a ton of graphic violence in FFVII. I doubt a couple of scenes with some blood/dead soldiers and a giant dead snake are going to make it M.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
There will be more changes than people are expecting for this remake, don't set yourselves up for disappointment people!
Like, I don't see them having photorealistic Cloud inspecting Tifa's "orthopedic underwear", or photorealistic Red XIII standing upright stuffed into a Sailor Suit when you're
early in the game lol.
A lot of the original charm will be gone, but I'm hoping they replace it with other humorous moments. Just PLEASE no "meme" humor.
Like, I don't see them having photorealistic Cloud inspecting Tifa's "orthopedic underwear", or photorealistic Red XIII standing upright stuffed into a Sailor Suit when you're
on the boat tracking Jenova
A lot of the original charm will be gone, but I'm hoping they replace it with other humorous moments. Just PLEASE no "meme" humor.
Stone Ocean
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FF7 gore basically amounts to the Shinra massacre, the Midgar Zolom and Nibelheim.
Really, Barret's cussing is more likely to take a dive than the violence lol
I think no random battles, no battle transition and no partymembers standing in line is what most people agree on...
But should it be action combat or turn based or any possible combination of the two?
I guess they will surprise us with something new anyway.
Well, as a fan, it isn't enough.
Not at all.
After 20 years, I better be getting something more than just better graphics. I can get that on the PC version.
SolidSnakex
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It changed a decent amount. Right now we don't know how much is going to change with FF7. All Nomura is saying is that he doesn't feel that there's much of a point to remake it if all they're going to do is a scene for scene, battle for battle, dialog for dialog remake of the original. That doesn't mean that it's going to change drastically. He's made it clear that this will still be FF7. But wouldn't it be a good thing if you could go in and be surprised (in a good way) by some things instead of that being limited to those that have never played FF7 before?
You brought up REmake, and that's a good example of a game that did just that. They implemented elements from other games like the 180 turn. It included new areas, enemies, bosses and even some story elements. Crimson Heads are one of the most praised elements of the game, and those weren't in the original. It changed quite a bit, but no one looks down on it for those changes because it actually made the game even better.
This, this, this.
Makes the most sense in any regard:
- Nomura - rightfully so - doesn't want the party to stand around on the same spot, jumping back and forth, and the FFX-2 system would solve that problem
- it's not too technically ambitious (FFXIII basically built on FFX-2, too, with automatically moving party members), especially compared to something complex like FFXV's fully action-based system (huge amount of work going into collision-detection, animation-systems, AI/path-finding, etc.)
- also makes it easier for scripted, flashy stuff happening in-battle, like QTE-battles in FFXIII-2, than with an action-based battle system
- if it's menu-driven and you have control over the whole party, it still would feel oldschool enough for the conservatives who are afraid of change
- combined with seamless battles ala. FFXII it would remove the annoyance of random encounters (some here really want it back, seriously!?) and make it feel less outdated for the mainstream audience - of course, the level-design would have to accommodate with larger areas and some maps would be better off without monsters roaming (f.e. the Shinra Mansion should just be an atmospheric, creepy place straight out of a horror game, without battles (those swinging-scythe dudes would look hilariously out of place, haha))
- no gambits/automations like in FFXII/FFXIII, though, as that will make it feel more shallow and uninvolving, even if otherwise the game, like most FFs, could be mostly beaten with button-mashing, too, anyway (having to chose the commands yourself makes you think you're doing something strategic, even if it's the same simple rote memorization patterns all the time, e.g. "use fire against blue enemy" or "heal if HP low")
encephalon
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The Japanese equivalents may be harder to achieve, though.
Dark_castle
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Yeah, that would be unfortunate for me, even though I love KH combat. I just hope that if they're not going to keep it closer to the original system, at least ensure everybody is directly controllable with pausing the game and assign command, like XII or like Versus XIII, real-time character switching. Throw in Gambit system too.
Do all that, or just have it play like X or X-2 with Materia and limit break, which is what I've seen to be the most frequently suggested here and elsewhere so far.
Improving the graphics is sufficient.
Why would Square settle for sufficient, though? There's an opportunity, a budget, a desire from the company, and guaranteed sales to take a modern approach to this game from a storytelling, world-building, and lore standpoint. More depth everywhere. More to explore, more to see, more to acquire, more to learn. More.
They're not going to remake FF7 twice.
Square is going to shoot for the fucking moon with this opportunity to blow out FF7, and if they don't make it there, they land on a Cloud. And we'll all be supremely happy for it.
Why would Square settle for sufficient, though? There's an opportunity, a budget, a desire from the company, and guaranteed sales to take a modern approach to this game from a storytelling, world-building, and lore standpoint. More depth everywhere. More to explore, more to see, more to acquire, more to learn. More.
They're not going to remake FF7 twice.
Square is going to shoot for the fucking moon with this opportunity to blow out FF7, and if they don't make it there, they land on a Cloud. And we'll all be supremely happy for it.
Ghost Slayer
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They gotta do a redone cover art of the original for the game.
If they try to use lots of CGI videos to get 3 Blu-ray discs just for nostalgia, i will laugh so hard
I really hope they just go for the M rating. FF VII is a dark game with a lot of mature themes and implications, and neutering the impact of those with a T rating really doesn't do the game justice imo.
Reminds me of a scene from a recent T-rated RPG my friend showed me where a character gets shot and dies. It's clearly supposed to be dramatic, but since there was no blood and the bullet didn't look realistic, I swear to god the first thought that popped in my head was "SET PHASERS TO STUN" and the scene lost all impact.
Can you imagine Aerith's death not having any blood in it? Or not showing the sword impale her? Nah. This needs to be M.
DoktorEvil
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Who knows.
The ESRB then could be wholly different from the ESRB of today.
Either way, I'm expecting the game to aim for Rated Teen, which means concessions will be made to be rated T.
But, if you told me the Original shouldve been a M Rated game just for mentioning Don Corneo's whorehouse and the Honey Bee Inn, I'd believe it.
The whole Shinra Building Sequence and Nibelheim Villa gets me to shit my pants, and it does it with nearly 20 Years old Graphics. Don't know if i can cope with the same scenes done in todays Graphics.
Via Purifico
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I thought they had screenshots? I keep hearing this.
Stone Ocean
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Sure I can.
The original game had a T rating and it didn't impact the themes and implications, did it now? The key here is how they deliver the scenes
DoktorEvil
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It didn't.
Welp, someone get the OP and make it absolutely clear this thread is filled with spoilers.
crooked spin
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can a mod append the title with "SPOILER AERITH DIES" plz
Stone Ocean
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I'd imagine Aeris' fate is as much of a spoiler as "Jesus dies" at this point lol
But yeah, a warning for people that never played this would probably be nice. Either that or we start tagging this shit.
oh wow shut down
I legit could have swore there was blood in the original haha
Even so though, that particular shot with no blood would look a lot weirder with borderline CGI quality graphics and no blood haha.
Besides, a T rating back then was different from a T rating now, not unlike how film directors got away with a lot more under a PG rating back in the 80s than they do now.
oh come on lmao
is it really that weird to want his sword to be red and have a realistically sized puddle underneath her I'm not exactly asking for Kill Bill here
crooked spin
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Also he'd call her a "cunt" to make it really mature.
Haunted
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I maintain that people's confusion and disbelief about Aeris being dead dead came from the fact that there was no blood in the cutscene.
demosthenes
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I agree with this.
Whatever'sComfortable
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2-medAO7Es
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