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[Biker19]

Publishers are hopefully smarter than to bar people from playing the games they already own for no other reason than because they are scared people won't buy their new game. Anyone who doesn't let BC work for old 360 games will garner a lot of bad press when the feature launches considering everyone knows all it takes on their part is giving Microsoft the OK. They aren't new versions of the titles, it's simply letting you play the discs or digital versions on the Xbox One. If you don't already own it, you can buy them from the publisher, and they still make money without having to do anything. There's no loss to the publisher here at all, if they think so, they are stupid and anti-consumer.

Which is why some people are skeptical that many people will receive 100% of the Xbox 360's library.

 

[Bsigg12]

Does anybody have Small Arms or Banjo N+B in their recently played list? Neither of these are showing up on my XB1 despite owning both digitally. I'd like to add you and see what happens if I try to download via the preview workaround.

Nuts and Bolts got pulled off the list of available games.

 

[Korean Jesus]

There's literally no bending over backwards involved? What Microsoft has done has basically given every Xbox One owner a free 360. That's it. They aren't "Xbox One versions" of these games - they're exactly the same games as before - games that people have already paid for. In fact, publishers will likely end up making more money from their old, dead games that no one buys anymore in the end from this considering Microsoft did all the work for them and will probably have a 360 storefront on the One just because of this. It's a win-win for them, through and through. Free 360 game with their Xbox One game incentives that EA, Ubisoft, and Bethesda are doing I think is going to become pretty regular as it costs them almost nothing and provides incentive and extra value for the customer. Anyone who hadn't bought a 360 before would be able to now buy an old game that the publisher wouldn't have been able to make money off of anyway. That's pure profit. I don't even understand how people can think otherwise.

There's more profit to be gained from releasing an HD remake than if they were to release the HD remake + allow BC of their old game on the same system. Publishers aren't stupid enough to allow a BC game to eat away at their profit margins. End of story.

They're not going to bend over backwards just because that's what customers whine and moan about. It's just business.

Have they said when the next round of BC titles will be announced? That list needs to grow and FAST. The momentum will die off if they don't start bringing more games in a regular basis.

What momentum? It's invite only for a good reason.

They don't have to worry about "hype" because it is in preview now, which is for testing in the public and gather feedbacks.

Yep. More people need to realize that this is strictly for beta testing and backward compatibility isn't here just yet.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

I hope they add more games for us people in preview.

Especially games that are more demanding than the early launch games and arcade games.

 

[Karak]

There's literally no bending over backwards involved? What Microsoft has done has basically given every Xbox One owner a free 360. That's it. They aren't "Xbox One versions" of these games - they're exactly the same games as before - games that people have already paid for. In fact, publishers will likely end up making more money from their old, dead games that no one buys anymore in the end from this considering Microsoft did all the work for them and will probably have a 360 storefront on the One just because of this. It's a win-win for them, through and through. Free 360 game with their Xbox One game incentives that EA, Ubisoft, and Bethesda are doing I think is going to become pretty regular as it costs them almost nothing and provides incentive and extra value for the customer. Anyone who hadn't bought a 360 before would be able to now buy an old game that the publisher wouldn't have been able to make money off of anyway. That's pure profit. I don't even understand how people can think otherwise.

Talked to a publisher rep this morning and the intention was to go fully forward with allowing as much BC as possible. There was no negative to it in their eyes and they were already working with MS.

 

[MrGreencastle]

There's more profit to be gained from releasing an HD remake than if they were to release the HD remake + allow BC of their old game on the same system. Publishers aren't stupid enough to allow a BC game to eat away at their profit margins. End of story. They're not going to bend over backwards just because that's what customers whine and moan about. It's just business.

End of story? Whine and moan? It's just business?

Haha, glad you're not running any companies in this industry, that's for sure. That it will cut into any profit margin here is a matter of opinion and I completely disagree that it will. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out. I expect plenty of publishers will love this and be on board for this. It's not like there are even that many more HD remakes coming out anyway, nor does this detract from the value of a remaster, in my opinion - a remaster is still a remaster.

 

[firehawk12]

Talked to a publisher rep this morning and the intention was to go fully forward with allowing as much BC as possible. There was no negative to it in their eyes and they were already working with MS.

That's really strange. Maybe it's a US/JP publisher thing because there are still PSP games that don't work on Vita, which is the most idiotic thing ever.

End of story? Whine and moan? It's just business?

Haha, glad you're not running any companies in this industry, that's for sure. That it will cut into any profit margin here is a matter of opinion and I completely disagree that it will. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out. I expect plenty of publishers will love this and be on board for this. It's not like there are even that many more HD remakes coming out anyway, nor does this detract from the value of a remaster, in my opinion - a remaster is still a remaster.

Let's be honest though... what incentive is there to release Halo or Gears on BC when they want to sell the remakes first? Perhaps it will come, but it seems like something to save for way down the line.

 

[DopeyFish]

Which is why some people are skeptical that many people will receive 100% of the Xbox 360's library.

EA has already given support
Bethesda has already given support
Ubisoft has already given support
Take2 games has already given support
Namco has already given support
Sega has already given support
Tecmo has already given support

Now need

Activision
Capcom
Konami
Square
WB

And a bunch of smaller ones

Question still remains on how selective the publishers will be, too.

 

[Zeyphersan]

That's really strange. Maybe it's a US/JP publisher thing because there are still PSP games that don't work on Vita, which is the most idiotic thing ever.

Sony needs to get really aggressive with getting pubs to allow their PS1/PSP games on Vita. The feeling I get from them right now is "yeah whatever"

 

[FyreWulff]

There's a couple of definitive editions that only exist because that was the only option the publisher had to sell it. Otherwise it would have been a repackaged 360 / PS3 bundle.

You have to remember it's a lot of money and technically a lot of risk to redo a game and re-release it. Or, you could just ask Microsoft to do all the work and put it up on the store for you. Shareholders love that.

 

[thatJohann]

There's more profit to be gained from releasing an HD remake than if they were to release the HD remake + allow BC of their old game on the same system. Publishers aren't stupid enough to allow a BC game to eat away at their profit margins. End of story.

They're not going to bend over backwards just because that's what customers whine and moan about. It's just business.



What momentum? It's invite only for a good reason.



Yep. More people need to realize that this is strictly for beta testing and backward compatibility isn't here just yet.

Regardless if it's for beta testing, they announced it at E3 to the public which got major press coverage, which means people are aware and excited even if they are not part of preview program. So, it would be beneficial for them to continue providing updates and keep that excitement going by hinting at the next round of titles. Otherwise, by the time it's live to everyone, it won't be as impactful.

 

[Korean Jesus]

End of story? Whine and moan? It's just business?

Haha, glad you're not running any companies in this industry, that's for sure. That it will cut into any profit margin here is a matter of opinion and I completely disagree that it will. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out. I expect plenty of publishers will love this and be on board for this. It's not like there are even that many more HD remakes coming out anyway, nor does this detract from the value of a remaster, in my opinion - a remaster is still a remaster.

Those companies are glad that you're not working for them. Nothing personal. Just business. Dishonored won't be BC on Xbox One considering HD remake is on its way this upcoming fall. We would be lucky to have at least 50% of the 360 games become backward compatible. I seriously doubt we would reach this level but we'll see what happens in the coming year.

Regardless if it's for beta testing, they announced it at E3 to the public which got major press coverage, which means people are aware and excited even if they are not part of preview program. So, it would be beneficial for them to continue providing updates and keep that excitement going by hinting at the next round of titles. Otherwise, by the time it's live to everyone, it won't be as impactful.

They're finalizing the list of games that are approved by the publishers and I reckon this can consistently change up until the day of the release. They don't need to hurry since they have until the release date to show us that list and we are very much aware of that.

However, I'm eager to test out the next set of games.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

That's really strange. Maybe it's a US/JP publisher thing because there are still PSP games that don't work on Vita, which is the most idiotic thing ever.


Let's be honest though... what incentive is there to release Halo or Gears on BC when they want to sell the remakes first? Perhaps it will come, but it seems like something to save for way down the line.

They're giving away Halo with every xbox and BC is about getting 360 owners to upgrade. So I don't see why they wouldn't

 

[SmokedMeat]

Which is why some people are skeptical that many people will receive 100% of the Xbox 360's library.

Allowing your game to be a part of the bc program will give a game several more years of possible digital sales on a new platform.

Some of the past 360 sales have been awesome (Soul Calibur V $3.74, Crysis $3, Kingdoms of Amalur $3), you can't help but think publishers can rake in more sales by also being on X1.

I don't think having older editions of games would harm the sales of new ones.

 

[Bsigg12]

Allowing your game to be a part of the bc program will give a game several more years of possible digital sales on a new platform.

Some of the past 360 sales have been awesome (Soul Calibur V $3.74, Crysis $3, Kingdoms of Amalur $3), you can't help but think publishers can rake in more sales by also being on X1.

I don't think having older editions of games would harm the sales of new ones.

I think they'll see more sales overall if BC ready games were put into a storefront on the Xbox One. Between those sales and people just wanting to play a game they were never able to or just never got around to playing, it could do really well.

 

[Norse360]

Are all games that show up in 'Ready to install' backwards compatibility? I saw Zuma there, but didn't see it on the list over supported titles.

 

[muzzymate]

Are all games that show up in 'Ready to install' backwards compatibility? I saw Zuma there, but didn't see it on the list over supported titles.

It's on the list at http://compass.xbox.com/assets/8e/2...=back-compat-available-games-june-18-2015.pdf and http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility

 

[MrGreencastle]

Let's be honest though... what incentive is there to release Halo or Gears on BC when they want to sell the remakes first? Perhaps it will come, but it seems like something to save for way down the line.

Right now people have the option of buying 360 games only if they have a 360. With what amounts to effectively a "flick of the wrist" on the publishers' part - they now widen their potential install base of games they've already paid to create and release to: Xbox 360 owners + Xbox One owners and future Xbox One owners as well. Games that would have not sold at all or very few on 360 going forward. It costs them zero to do this, it makes them look good, it increases sales of old games that have slowed or stopped selling, it provides value for new customers with pack-in deals, etc. There's almost no scenario where this is a bad deal for publishers.

Xbox One remakes are a very small percentage of the total 360 library - and these BC aren't re-releases as has been said a million times already. They cut into remake profits no more than 360 titles already have or would. Remake buyer-base is already interested in the "remake/remaster" aspect of the games moreso than the ability to play the old version, in my opinion.

Highly doubt this will affect Gears 1 remaster in the slightest - especially considering it's shipping before the public launch this Fall. Or any remaster for that matter. It's a 360 game, it's hardly competing at all. I just don't see it.

There's a couple of definitive editions that only exist because that was the only option the publisher had to sell it. Otherwise it would have been a repackaged 360 / PS3 bundle.

You have to remember it's a lot of money and technically a lot of risk to redo a game and re-release it. Or, you could just ask Microsoft to do all the work and put it up on the store for you. Shareholders love that.

Exactly. People are thinking about this completely backwards.

 

[Norse360]

It's on the list at http://compass.xbox.com/assets/8e/2...=back-compat-available-games-june-18-2015.pdf and http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility

Sorry Didn't see that

 

[RavenH2]

Talked to a publisher rep this morning and the intention was to go fully forward with allowing as much BC as possible. There was no negative to it in their eyes and they were already working with MS.

That right there is great news! I hope a move from a big publisher moves others to do the same (as a matter of competition no less)

 

[SmokedMeat]

I think they'll see more sales overall if BC ready games were put into a storefront on the Xbox One. Between those sales and people just wanting to play a game they were never able to or just never got around to playing, it could do really well.

Absolutely. The entire store needs to be revamped, and a section for Xbox 360 added.

There's plenty of slow months in gaming, where I could easily see people saying what the hell, and picking up Guardian Heroes or Ikaruga.

 

[speedomodel]

Talked to a publisher rep this morning and the intention was to go fully forward with allowing as much BC as possible. There was no negative to it in their eyes and they were already working with MS.

Which publisher if you don't mind my asking?

 

[SmokedMeat]

I often hear how PC games have long tails, while console game sales are front loaded. Because of the way console generations work digital sales go south when a console is at the end of it's life.

Now here's a chance for console titles to have longer tails.

 

[Mashing]

Hard to say. EA is on board, but Microsoft said that multidisc titles take extra work and they're still working on that.

Hope they get those done. I've been unable to play my ME3 disk because my 360 is all but kaput.

 

[Warablo]

Talked to a publisher rep this morning and the intention was to go fully forward with allowing as much BC as possible. There was no negative to it in their eyes and they were already working with MS.

Oh, yes please.. I hope this becomes the standard and carries on into the new gen.

 

[MrGreencastle]

Absolutely. The entire store needs to be revamped, and a section for Xbox 360 added.

There's plenty of slow months in gaming, where I could easily see people saying what the hell, and picking up Guardian Heroes or Ikaruga.

They could even do crazy sales for those 360 games on demand or XBLA games like how Steam does.

They already do, but these games are getting older and any sale at this point is a good sale for publishers. This brings all that to a completely new audience for an entire additional generation (and potentially future ones as well).

Peter Moore talked about it on Gametrailers with how they're very excited and thinking about how to work this BC stuff into EA Access - which is a service that is already doing well for them and they're fast running out of games to add to the Vault. This increases that potential library 10, 20, even 30 fold at no cost to them. Pure profit.

 

[Bsigg12]

They could even do crazy sales for those 360 games on demand or XBLA games like how Steam does.

They already do, but these games are getting older and any sale at this point is a good sale for publishers. This brings all that to a completely new audience for an entire additional generation (and potentially future ones as well).

Peter Moore talked about it on Gametrailers with how they're very excited about how they're thinking about how to work this BC stuff into EA Access - which is a service that is already doing well for them and they're fast running out of games to add to the Vault. This increases that potential library 10, 20, even 30 fold at no cost to them. Pure profit.

It would be really cool to see EA add a ton of 360 games to the Vault. That becomes an even better value than it already is.

 

[vermadas]

Probably no way we're going to get delisted XBLA games like Marble Blast Ultra are we?

 

[Korean Jesus]

I often hear how PC games have long tails, while console game sales are front loaded. Because of the way console generations work digital sales go south when a console is at the end of it's life.

Now here's a chance for console titles to have longer tails.

Phil Spencer mentioned how PC had extensive line-up of games due to it being able to play old games as well. His intention was to sort of mimic this in a way to increase the short shelf-life of videogames in between generations.

Not shocking picked up PDZ and even the workers at Gamestop were telling other Xbox One owners about it. Now all the stores near me are low on PDZ.

It's pretty much sold out near me. Next gamestop that carries this old game is 40 miles away. I can wait for the Rare collection.

 

[Emperor Bohe]

Probably no way we're going to get delisted XBLA games like Marble Blast Ultra are we?

Vote here and help us somehow make this happen for those of us that have already purchased them
https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/2...-delisted-games-to-be-backwards-compatible-on

 

[Beer Monkey]

Phil Spencer mentioned how PC had extensive line-up of games due to it being able to play old games as well. His intention was to sort of mimic this in a way to increase the short shelf-life of videogames in between generations.

I know a lot of members are saying this move is pretty much meaningless (at least a few of whom oddly support PS Now...wink wink), but I know a lot of people in real life who are more interested in buying a platform if they feel their purchases will be playable on future platforms.

This move makes me consider that maybe someday the Xbox Mk IV will be capable of playing most 360 and X1 games and maybe even Xbox games, and that actually makes me consider buying more in the Xbox ecosystem as a whole.

 

[Discusguy]

BC being fully realized on the Xbone with 360 games being added to the store would be awesome. There are still lots of 360 games I haven't gotten around to buying;

 

[Toa TAK]

I'm really excited to be playing Halo Reach and Red Dead Redemption again here soon.

And with Mass Effect just finished download, I'm going to enjoy re-living the trilogy again on the One (minus 3's ending).

 

[danwarb]

Found and downloaded Mass Effect through someone's recently played list. It seems impossible to find the available games otherwise.

BC will be Brilliant.

 

[Nephtes]

Need some Ultra Street Fighter 4 on my Xbox One...
Ball is your hands now Capcom...

 

[LordOfChaos]

I'd really like a VidDoc or something on how this works, running SIMD heavy tri core high clocked PowerPC cores on low power Jaguar cores can't be easy even with full control of both systems.

 

[FyreWulff]

re Rock Band 3 BC:

http://www.rockbandaide.com/21107/e3-interviewish-with-aaron-trites-harmonix-community-manager/

Now that Xbox One has backwards compatibility, are you gonna put anything on it?

“I dunno, depends on how much work it takes.”

“Microsoft apparently just comes up to you and asks yes/no.”

“Oh, well then maybe!”

“Does that include Rock Band 3?”

“We may not even be able to do that one since it was at the tail end of our Viacom ties.”

“They might be able to prevent it?”

“Entirely possible.”

 

[firehawk12]

re Rock Band 3 BC:

http://www.rockbandaide.com/21107/e3...unity-manager/

Someone on the voting site said that external peripherals are not supported in BC (for some Marvel game), so I assume it's moot anyway.

 

[krumble]

So good to play super meat boy on Xbox one... Had forgotten how good it was

 

[flashmouth]

Yeah, just played through first two zones. I almost recently bought it a second time on Steam just to play it again and two days later they announced BC. cheers

 

[Diablohead]

So good to play super meat boy on Xbox one... Had forgotten how good it was

it also doesn't feel emulated at all, the backwards comparability is amazing, if you removed the 360 start up animation and the 360 tag in the profile image you could never tell.

 

[Caffeine]

EA has already given support
Bethesda has already given support
Ubisoft has already given support
Take2 games has already given support
Namco has already given support
Sega has already given support
Tecmo has already given support

Now need

Activision
Capcom
Konami
Square
WB

And a bunch of smaller ones

Question still remains on how selective the publishers will be, too.

come on activision! i need a good cod

 

[The Albatross]

Have they said when the next round of BC titles will be announced? That list needs to grow and FAST. The momentum will die off if they don't start bringing more games in a regular basis.

It's technically still only available in the preview, as a beta. I'd imagine it'll get ramped up as it gets closer to open release in October.

 

[John Caboose]

Someone on the voting site said that external peripherals are not supported in BC (for some Marvel game), so I assume it's moot anyway.

Yeah I heard that too. Probably no Rock Bands or anything like that will be available. OR maybe it will but you won't be able to use any instruments...

 

[Z_Y]

Nuts and Bolts got pulled off the list of available games.

Well ain't that some shit. Thanks for the heads up.

Small Arms, anyone? Surely one of the other 4 people who bought this game posts on GAF.

 

[Conor_Fool]

If I got an invite a few days ago and still have gotten no response from Xbox, does that mean I'm SOL?

EDIT: Meh, someone answered this the last time I asked. I guess I'm SOL

 

[Captain_Wreckus]

If I got an invite a few days ago and still have gotten no response from Xbox, does that mean I'm SOL?

EDIT: Meh, someone answered this the last time I asked. I guess I'm SOL

Think you got to wait for the next preview update. May be wrong though.

 

[Macho Madness]

Well ain't that some shit. Thanks for the heads up.

Small Arms, anyone? Surely one of the other 4 people who bought this game posts on GAF.

Small arms does not show for me.

 

[Kadin]

Do you have motion blur and/or film grain turned on?

Sorry I'm way late answering this as I had to leave last night right after I asked. And yes to at least the film grain and I believe yes to blur as well. I'll try disabling them to see if there's a difference.

 

[MrGreencastle]

Small arms does not show for me.

Small Arms is not in the list of supported preview titles.