Crimson Kopite
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Bungie defends Destiny: The Taken King's £/$40 price tag (Eurogamer)
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burritosenior
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With Halo 3, ODST, and Reach, whenever the community got mad at Bungie for something, they never made claims that Bungie had 'changed.' They just said they were mad.
Really says something that now pretty much everybody says they've changed. Also interesting to remember that there was a time when Bungie gave out a free map against Microsoft's wishes (by finagling the rules a little).
You'd think at some point they would just cut their losses with the 'we know what we are doing' strategy and fix the things the community unanimously hates about them.
Great job by Eurogamer. They pushed the hard questions and made sure to get answers. A very welcome change from 'oh here is a PR answer so let us move on so we stay friends and I can get another interview later.' Well done, Eurogamer.
Really says something that now pretty much everybody says they've changed. Also interesting to remember that there was a time when Bungie gave out a free map against Microsoft's wishes (by finagling the rules a little).
You'd think at some point they would just cut their losses with the 'we know what we are doing' strategy and fix the things the community unanimously hates about them.
Great job by Eurogamer. They pushed the hard questions and made sure to get answers. A very welcome change from 'oh here is a PR answer so let us move on so we stay friends and I can get another interview later.' Well done, Eurogamer.
I could not really care less about the cosmetics. I am actually surprised on the rare occasions other people notice them, because I pay almost no attention to other people's gear unless it's incredibly distinctive (Warlock goat helmet, Titan hammerhead shark helmet, Egyptian Osiris gear). Last week somebody gushingly asked where I got my Hunter's cape from and I was astounded. I don't even bother looking at other Hunter's capes.
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HalfBakedProphet
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it'd be stupid as hell for him to reply in this thread. Even worse if he rolled in defiant with maximum dick swagger engaged.
They are going to renege everything on the next weekly update. It's been a theme with Destiny. They listen to the community they say.
MrGreencastle
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That was part of House of Wolves.
disastermouse
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This game and this interview really put a crimp in my scrotum. The interview really just reeks of arrogance and the sort of 'we know better' attitude that ended up crippling the Xbox One launch.
To me they sound more like hostages sticking to the script. Luke almost let his actual opinion come out when they mentioned trading on giant bomb but managed to correct himself.
I remember Deej saying on one of the pre-HoW twitch streams, with zero emotion, "there's always something new to do in Destiny". A laughable statement on its own the but way he said it was like it's on a banner over the door when you walk into Bungie HQ, like it's emblazoned on every computer's background, like they say it to start and end every meeting.
Listening to bungie employees talking about destiny is like watching this, minus the conviction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0
BreezyLimbo
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You'd be surprised. I lurk the Destiny thread more these days (Since there's nothing left for me to do in the game), right now someone is gushing over getting a Dead Orbit shader(Basically a black and white shader which makes it unique) from a package(These shaders have an incredibly low droprate as well. The packages require a hefty grind. It's the only reason some people level different factions, for their shaders.)
I mean, I'm not calling you out, but some people can pretend these things don't matter(Shaders, emotes, class items), but they really do. Game is vacant as is in terms of content to do(The PvP Trials has rotated through all the armor, the PvE stuff offers nothing to those who have done it and gotten the exotics already). So people go for either the social aspect of the game, or the cosmetic stuff which people will proudly wear.
burritosenior
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Deej said earlier today that the plan for the weekly update is to tell 'Year One Veterans' all the cool stuff they will get instead... meaning a sparrow, shader, and emblem, thus far. He was very clear in that we would not be getting the 'Collectors Edition' stuff. Everything that Bungie has ever changed has taken them months. With something like this... well, I have hope despite my better judgement, but I do not have expectations.
Gold_Loot
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So the only reason to play is for cosmetics? Maybe it's just me.. yeah it's gotta be me.
My bad, havent played that content yet.
Orochinagis
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You can enter via wall glitching anyway
shaunLEGEND
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You're right, probably nothing. He said more than enough in that interview.
It's tough being a destiny fan these days.
MrGreencastle
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It's true. Once you've collected most of the things in the game, the rest is cosmetic. The faction shaders and ships are some of the most sought after things in the game. I have to admit, I care more about getting a new shader than a new gun most of the time. I like most of the guns I have already - like Fatebringer, from the very first Raid. I couldn't wait to get the 5 shaders from PoE level 3, especially that lovely green one. So what if I wanna look pretty, wanna fight about it?
disastermouse
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Compare this to The Witcher 3! Practically over-packed with quests and stories and a shit ton of promised and substantial DLC to come in addition to paid expansions.
Can Crusher
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Bungie has turned into a shit company, too bad people buy this crap game.
Obliterator
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Honestly the $40 expansion price doesn't bother me at all. The fact that there isn't a CE without the other shit I already bought for $20 less is asinine.
BreezyLimbo
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That's the thing as well that I think they messed up with the expansion. Being able to reroll weapons is great in theory, but in practice it means once you have like, a Scout Rifle, you just reroll it for the perfect perks and done. You don't need another scout rifle(Unless you want to have a different set of perks for PvP than PvE). If you have Fatebringer or Vision of Confluence, than you probably didn't even take a look at other cannons or scout rifles because they're pretty much perfect already.
Orochinagis
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I was expecting Destiny would deliver story based mission between expansions to fill the lack of activities, I was so wrong.
Exactly, it kills weapons variety and just look for "that" weapon and start rerolling making the rest of the weapon useless until someone points of another weapon is better and you shard the other one.
sturgboski
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Is right after you go through the second half of the first TDB mission backwards. Can only get in with that mission, which is disappointing. Maybe they will open it up with a Queens Wrath enemy in there.
I'm also wondering what they are going to do with Queens Wrath when the expansion drops. They removed Blades of Crota when HoW dropped but you could still do the Eris bounty by running the first TDB mission. Named Wolves enemies don't exist in story missions, just patrol. Wonder what they will do.
That was my hope too what with the tease email for the Queens Wrath event a week or two after Destiny launched. All that ended up being was bounties which would launch random heroic story missions that had fallen bosses. Was meant to be recurring like IB but they yanked it to be the Eris Morn for HoW. Disappointing.
I bought the Destiny special edition PS4 when it was released. I opened it up on Christmas as my "surprise" present. At first I was excited because I thought the "Special Edition PS4" came with the Season Pass. To my surprise, it didn't. At first I was peeved and barely played Destiny at all. It felt too grindy to me and I really couldn't get into it. I started playing Shadow of Mordor and more recently Mortal Kombat X and Driveclub (FANTASTIC GAMES THAT EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY). This past two weeks I've been doing a lot of grinding and truthfully, the game is well made, though it is the community that makes it. The PVP is painful to me, though the PVE is phenomenal. After they rebalanced the PVP, the game has never been the same (especially because I cannot for the life of me get an exotic or legendary hand cannon). Where I stand now is that after I finish the two DLC I bought, I'm going to put and leave Destiny on the shelf. I will come back from time to time, though I feel I'm going to want to become better at Mortal Kombat X, Driveclub, CS:GO, and League of Legends... With those games I feel that I gain skill, with Destiny, I feel as if I am trying so hard to cheese the shit out of it. It is a cheese fest of a game in which the only way to win is to cheat the system and have a hand cannon and a shotgun. I've made a lot of great friends in Destiny, but if they do not lower the price for legacy users and members, then it really won't be worth it. I would have been content with a $30 price tag, though $25 is the most ideal for the "content" that they are asking. Thank you Destiny for the fun times, but I think I am done for now. See you sometime in the future (maybe Destiny 2). I really hope Bungie learns from their mistakes.
And Yaari you are right. You are one of those consumers that unfortunately got suckered into a promise and I'm right in there with you. One of the most solid games that I have played, but one of the most underwhelming solo experiences of this generation. That said if anyone is thinking of trying Destiny and has friends plus appreciates a welcoming community, give the $60 full game (possibly, unless they are in plans of making a new expansion or game etc.) a try.
There are people that have paid $100-$150 on eBay for a single shader.
I don't deny that there are some people who are obsessed with collecting all the rare cosmetics in MMOs. I just think they are a small portion of the userbase, and it's really not worth all the fury that some people are having over cosmetics.
Collector's Edition freebies are almost never "status" items. Literally everyone that buys the CE is going to be sporting that stuff, and everyone knows where it comes from. The highly desirable shaders, Sparrows, and spaceships will be the ones that are legitimately rare -- not the stuff that ships with Collector's Editions.
firehawk12
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Oh yes. It seemed they learned after that, but I guess not. lol
MrGreencastle
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And if Vault space stays the same... I don't even know what the reaction is gonna be like. I have maybe 10 spaces total across all categories combined, kinda ridiculous.
Yes, this is such a trainwreck.
I still haven't jumped in on Destiny. I'm waiting til september til the 'legendary edition' drops, but I'm more skeptical each expansion debacle.
The Taken King isn't even the last DLC for Destiny, right?
IlludiumQ36
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Amazing. 100% on point.
BreezyLimbo
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Supposed to be 2 more, one Cabal related(Because they've done fuck all with the Cabal) and another Vex one.
Orochinagis
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AusRoachman
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Was a huge destiny fan, brought the first expansion, was massively dissapointed, planned on getting second one but witcher 3 took all my attention.
Now its not worth buying the second expansion, so i am curious what package i buy if you only own 1 expansion.
Now its not worth buying the second expansion, so i am curious what package i buy if you only own 1 expansion.
MrGreencastle
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Destiny 2 might even end up being a $60 expansion for Destiny 1 with a lot of the language they're using of keeping your characters all the way through the 10 years of Destiny. It would be tragic to lose all that "old" content, hollow as some of it may be, when they decide to release the next "version". I'm not sure how I feel about it to be honest.
shaunLEGEND
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You know he has to be reading all of this. This thread isn't like all of the other threads that just turn to shit because of all the people that troll people for liking destiny. This thread is full of people that are legit fans that are expressing that this time Bungie went too far.
If he's as passionate about the game as he should be, I know it must be killing him to not reply.
My guess is they'll leave them and use the new Patrol area and Mars for the latest content's roaming enemies. They have surprisingly ignored Mars since the launch and it's about time they did something with it. I'd hope at least. The Wolves are fun and can be hectic when an event is occurring at the same time.
One of my biggest problem is that the base Vanguard and Crucible bounties have remained the same since launch. Could it really be that hard to mix them up each expansion? Replace 20 double kills with a fusion rifle with 20 triple kills with a Rocket Launcher? Replace 20 melee kills in a row without dying to 50 grenade kills. Just mix it up a little. I'd also like to see re-leveled raids to create incentive for going back to them. Make VoG hard again and allow it to drop the new exotics and higher level weapons.
Thanks (Orochinagis and MrGreencastle too for your replies).
It's a little weird because "being able to reroll every weapon" wasn't even a big community demand, and yet they still did it and completely compromised the whole weapon-collection aspect of the game. Being able to re-roll only the Iron Banner weapons really drove interest in that event......why even bother playing it now? By the time the next IB rolls around, people won't even need the Etheric Light.
I tend to think that HoW was an expansion where they gave in to the fanbase a bit too much. And at the same time did stupid shit that made no sense (the dumb perks on PoE weapons).
Orochinagis
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Just imagine if Bungie decides to start all over again for Destiny 2.
MrGreencastle
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It's true.
People who play know that's pretty indicative of how much I'm into Destiny. Don't even want to post how many hours I've sunk in, lol, but it's staggering. But Bungie fucked this up big time, and the regular group of people I play with all feel the same. They've got a hell of a lot of explaining and apologizing to do before Sept 15.
toastyToast
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Holy shit!
I don't know. The Bioware community managers during the Mass Effect 3 debacle were just as bad, if not worse. One of them was named Jessica and the other was a guy whose name escapes me now. They were equally horrendous.
Edit: This was not an attempt to hijack the thread. Please continue with your regularly scheduled programming.
I actually think they mean to push us away from all the old weapons and gear in The Taken King. I kind of agree too, force me to use something else than Fatebringer 95% of the time. It'll also solve their Gjallahorn problem. They shouldn't be releasing a major expansion that still has all the Vanilla Destiny weapons as the best weapons in the game. That's just not fun anymore. I think the "Upgrade to max level for Year 1" bubble may not change to "Upgrade to max level for Year 2" for the old weapons/armor. It'll also solve the Vault Space problem as the old weapons won't hold much weight in the new expansion.
Amibguous Cad
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Am I missing something? As someone who put 300 hours into the game I don't feel cheated by this release at all. 3 dance emotes aren't a huge deal, and I'm perfectly happy with dropping 40 bucks on an entire new world, several new strikes, and a new raid.
Honestly, it feels like most of the people on here are getting offended on behalf of the hardcore Destiny players who are perfectly happy with the value proposition of the new expansion
Honestly, it feels like most of the people on here are getting offended on behalf of the hardcore Destiny players who are perfectly happy with the value proposition of the new expansion
Aztechnology
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It's more about a bad track record, and how they are treating their currently invested fans (With indifference) by leaving them out in the cold unless they pony up again.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
Rings true, indeed.
The problem is, IMO, Bungie has already failed twice on delivering the amount of content that would justify the price. Whether or not it's Activision's fault is beside the point, it's still up to Bungie too deliver. If they want 40$ then there needs to be enough content to justify the cost.
It sounds like they are trying to remedy this but are doing a really poor job of letting their fans know. A new area is a step in the right direction and also having a story this time will really help.
I don't care about dance emotes and I'll be buying the expansion because I want to continue playing Destiny, but if this expansion doesn't deliver it will probably be my last.
It sounds like they are trying to remedy this but are doing a really poor job of letting their fans know. A new area is a step in the right direction and also having a story this time will really help.
I don't care about dance emotes and I'll be buying the expansion because I want to continue playing Destiny, but if this expansion doesn't deliver it will probably be my last.
I think they have a major problem, in that they definitely want to "retire" a lot of the Year One weapons, but people will go utterly apeshit if and when that happens. And the fact that they've already capitulated to their audience with House of Wolves means that there is a greater expectation that people will be able to have their old gear remain relevant.
Of course none of this would be an issue if they could simply invent newer, better weapon perks that made the old weapons undesirable. Thus far it seems like all the perks introduced in House of Wolves are unimpressive (at least in PVE), so I am skeptical that Taken King will really make me want to give up my Fatebringer or Final Round Sniper.