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[BreezyLimbo]

What kind of micro transactions did they put into CoD?

Cosmetic stuff, they started offering free weapons unique to map packs/season passes. I believe Advanced Warfare now also has care package DLC?(It's pretty much a Gacha for timed cosmetic stuff or weapon variants.) It definitely has a good amount of microtransactions though.

 

[Imbarkus]

I don't feel like Luke Smith deserves all the hate he's getting here and on reddit. Anyone who's familiar with from the 1up Show and 1up Yours days knows he's always very jokey and abrasive, but in a good natured way.

Just watch this casual interview he did with the Giantbomb guys at E3 to see what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHfq7KY1JU4&feature=youtu.be&t=2h35m38s

And I've seen people saying he's shitting on the consumer when, like, that was one of the big things Luke would call companies out back in his media days. I honestly don't think he meant for things to come across that way. It reads to me like he was joking around with someone he might know. And that he was hinting that you'd be able to buy the emotes seperately some time in the future that he can't talk about yet.

I think people are too quick to bust out the pitchforks. I already see top posts on the Destiny reddit calling for him to get fired, which is ridiculous.

It doesn't matter who you are, when the outrage falls upon you. Text interview fails to communicate the sarcasm and sense of humor that only face-to-face reciprocity would convey?

Just makes for a more imposing faceless demon with which to shadow box.

Luke was right.

My take on the Eurogamer interview was that Luke was amazed, LITERALLY AMAZED, that the interviewer would complain about $40 for the expansion, representing hundred and even thousands of man hours of labor and creativity, while simultaneously stating he would spend a few dollars on an emote because he was hung up on the idea that it was being withheld from him.

 

[Orochinagis]

What kind of micro transactions did they put into CoD?

Weapons skins, Emblem skins, players armor skin (recently added), Dog skin (Like the ghost shell), Animated weapon and emblem skins, reticles skins, exp buff packs (recently added)

 

[EL CUCO]

Weapons skins, Emblem skins, players armor skin (recently added), Dog skin (Like the ghost shell), Animated weapon and emblem skins, reticles skins, exp buff packs (recently added)

I hate that Cod added this stuff. I hope Destiny never does. I'd rather pay for a $20 expansion every 3-6 months. Atleast I know all of the content (apart from bonus meaningless crap) is obtainable in game. Once the microtransaction like this start, they lock away the cool stuff behind paywall

 

[Orochinagis]

I hate that Cod added this stuff. I hope Destiny never does. I'd rather pay for a $20 expansion every 3-6 months. Atleast I know all of the content (apart from bonus meaningless crap) is obtainable in game. Once the microtransaction like this start, they lock away the cool stuff behind paywall

The point is even with microtransactions the main DLCs prices would be the same.

I am still worried about why the ghost shells are still being locked from the main game

 

[Tawpgun]

I hate that Cod added this stuff. I hope Destiny never does. I'd rather pay for a $20 expansion every 3-6 months. Atleast I know all of the content (apart from bonus meaningless crap) is obtainable in game. Once the microtransaction like this start, they lock away the cool stuff behind paywall

Why? What if the expansions are free and you get to pay for only the cool looking stuff you want. You could come out with more money in your wallet.

 

[EL CUCO]

Why? What if the expansions are free and you get to pay for only the cool looking stuff you want. You could come out with more money in your wallet.

The expansions will never be free tho. Cod's map packs still cost $50 and they added the microtransactions back in Blops2.

 

[Imbarkus]

Forbes writeup:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/06/22/bungies-disastrous-taken-king-interview-could-have-ramifications-for-destiny/

Reads like a message board post.

 

[Tawpgun]

The expansions will never be free tho. Cod's map packs still cost $50 and they added the microtransactions back in Blops2.

Might be an activision money grab I guess idk.

Halo maps are becoming free and they are adding microtransactions. Many games do similar free updates and have microtransactions

 

[didevol]

Micro-transactions don't bother me unless it gives you an advantage in the game. CoD adding skins and what not is fine really, but Xp buff packs is fucking P2W bs.

Is there any updated news on this(the destiny part)?

Update the original post if there is news..

 

[Orochinagis]

Might be an activision money grab I guess idk.

Halo maps are becoming free and they are adding microtransactions. Many games do similar free updates and have microtransactions

Thats the problem, Activision.

 

[Sola Scriptura]

They outlined the contents of the vip package when they announced TTK at E3. Before this interview.

If that's so, then why wouldn't Deej just come right out and say what they are in his responses?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Players will still buy and support the game, so they can do this.

 

[Futurematic]

Oh, so Luke's interview would have come off better if the author inserted things like (said in sarcastic tone)

Well there are several ways to express sarcasm in written form, but the most common formal one (as subtitles on film/tv use it) is (!). The tilde ~ has been proposed as has ¡, some company charges 2 bucks for a mark, and so forth, and this being the intertoobs we know /s. Or, as you mention, noting the tone of his response in descriptive text also works.

Indeed I do feel it would have made Luke Smith come off in a much better light. This thread would still exist, and I'm fully on the side of the upset people, but perhaps the vitrolic over the top attacks on Smith would have been less.

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

Destiny content pricing is the 'horse armour' of the new generation.

You people buying the slivers of content for ridiculous prices have no one to blame but yourselves. You really can't blame Activision and Bungie for milking you for every last cent. It's business, not personal.

If the add on content reaches their internal projections, you do realise things are going to get worse, not better, don't you?

 

[Imbarkus]

Well there are several ways to express sarcasm in written form, but the most common formal one (as subtitles on film/tv use it) is (!). The tilde ~ has been proposed as has ¡, some company charges 2 bucks for a mark, and so forth, and this being the intertoobs we know /s. Or, as you mention, noting the tone of his response in descriptive text also works.

Indeed I do feel it would have made Luke Smith come off in a much better light. This thread would still exist, and I'm fully on the side of the upset people, but perhaps the vitrolic over the top attacks on Smith would have been less.

Maybe instead of using interviews and things we read online about people to reach conclusions about their basic worth and value and employability--and getting it wrong because the things we read and hear about people don't convey who they really are--we could just stop exercising such instant judgment of people when we encounter their mistakes on the internet.

It would be a lot easier than trying to come up with some text convention that avoids a writer failing to convey someone's tone of voice (or, even worse, intentionally misrepresenting someone's tone).

Those of us who "know" Luke Smith from all the presence we have witnessed in the past: Tough position, to be screaming to the lynch mob: "You're wrong about this dude!"

 

[NoHeDidn't]

Yeah $40 is a lot I just don't think I'll go that route. I'm sure DestinyGAF will be fine with it. One of them just posted earlier he put in 800 hours. That's over 33 days of your life just sunk into a virtual game that gives nothing back..

How can someone who calls himself a gamer say something this condescending.... what it gave him was 800 hours of gamingThis game is made 100 times better cause of the community and co op content the grind is real but so are the fun moments of raiding etc.

Im as disgusted by the pricing scheme as everyone else mostly because the gunplay is solid as is VoG and hope we see that greatness again.sadly the flip side is thats how they can command such high price tag.

 

[IISANDERII]

So many whales. Bungie ain't blind.

 

[Lothars]

So many whales. Bungie ain't blind.

You must be though.

Destiny content pricing is the 'horse armour' of the new generation.

You people buying the slivers of content for ridiculous prices have no one to blame but yourselves. You really can't blame Activision and Bungie for milking you for every last cent. It's business, not personal.

If the add on content reaches their internal projections, you do realise things are going to get worse, not better, don't you?

I really don't think you have any clue on what you are talking about. It's nothing like the horse armor. Things like horse armor was never worth the price, I still feel that the destiny dlc well not perfect has some of the coolest experiences I've had this generation.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

As it needs to be on every page, $40 does not = £40.. far fucking from it, fuck your emotes.. this is the bigger picture

Destiny content pricing is the 'horse armour' of the new generation.

You people buying the slivers of content for ridiculous prices have no one to blame but yourselves. You really can't blame Activision and Bungie for milking you for every last cent. It's business, not personal.

If the add on content reaches their internal projections, you do realise things are going to get worse, not better, don't you?

Multiplayer maps. New guns. New missions. New raid. New strikes..
cod would sell you the MP maps for $40 alone.
far from horse armour.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

Double post.

 

[Mr Croft]

You're right. I definitely need a shotgun with shank burn

How else will you stop those OP shanks

 

[Deku Tree]

I hate that Cod added this stuff. I hope Destiny never does. I'd rather pay for a $20 expansion every 3-6 months. Atleast I know all of the content (apart from bonus meaningless crap) is obtainable in game. Once the microtransaction like this start, they lock away the cool stuff behind paywall

Would be horrible if Destiny Year 2's best looking armor becomes an "armor skin" that they want to sell you for $5.

Your right that once they introduce MTs for cosmetics then they start locking the best looking stuff behind the MTs.

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

I really don't think you have any clue on what you are talking about. It's nothing like the horse armor. Things like horse armor was never worth the price, I still feel that the destiny dlc well not perfect has some of the coolest experiences I've had this generation.

I'm sure people really loved their horse armour too.

 

[Seventy_X_Seven]

Destiny content pricing is the 'horse armour' of the new generation.

You people buying the slivers of content for ridiculous prices have no one to blame but yourselves. You really can't blame Activision and Bungie for milking you for every last cent. It's business, not personal.

If the add on content reaches their internal projections, you do realise things are going to get worse, not better, don't you?

I'm sorry for buying and enjoying something you didn't feel was worth the price?

Would be horrible if Destiny Year 2's best looking armor becomes an "armor skin" that they want to sell you for $5.

Your right that once they introduce MTs for cosmetics then they start locking the best looking stuff behind the MTs.

Absolutely agree with this. MT cosmetics is fine in games like COD but in a game like Destiny where so much of the focus is building your character and acquiring the armor and what not, putting cosmetics behind MTs just kills the experience.

 

[Lothars]

I'm sure people really loved their horse armour too.

It's still not equivalent.

 

[Eirulan]

Still waiting for the PC GOTY before I re-join...

 

[see5harp]

It's still not equivalent.

You're right horse armor was like a couple bucks.

 

[Chittagong]

I got Destiny at launch for PS4, I believe it cost £50 or something crazy like that. Yesterday I was fridge cleaning and tapped it open, I could not believe what I had missed. Two DLCs which I think were £20 each, and a bigger expansion coming this fall at £40 or something. That's like, £130 in a year, $200 American monies. Must be some game.

 

[Grimsen]

You're right horse armor was like a couple bucks.

Yup. I guess when a scam is big enough, people stop realizing it's a scam.

 

[EviLore]

Can you see that some fans are confused that you're asking them to buy stuff they already own?

"Yeah, I can totally empathise with those people. But the Collector's Edition is a pretty cool package for people who want to pursue that stuff. Otherwise, surely what you're saying is that you would want to buy them separately, right?"

Well, yeah. I would rather do that - pay a few pounds or dollars or whatever - than spend money on things I already own.

"Well, we have nothing more to talk about regarding your opportunity to spend extra money in Destiny, other than The Taken King and the three versions we've announced."

I get that it is big but it is also the same price as the base game. That had four areas rather than one and more missions than the Taken King. Why is it the same price?

"All I can do is answer that with the same thing I just gave you... We're really comfortable with the value we're giving to players this autumn. I believe that once we begin to share more, players will be even more excited. And for existing players it also comes with the Founder's pack with a new Sparrow, shader and emblem."

I don't like, own, or particularly care about Destiny, so I have no emotional investment in it, and yet my visceral reaction to reading this interview is still, "suck my dick, Luke Smith."

That's some astonishingly bad PR.

 

[nOoblet16]

$40 is a price I can live by..it's expensive for what it's offering but I can live.

But £40 for the same exact thing ? Fuck off with that bullshit !!! Destiny is one of the very few disc based games I own,everything else I buy from Americans store but since I bought it in disc format I have to buy it off my local UK store.

Jesus £40 wtf really! That's more than the base price of a new game in US.

 

[Deku Tree]

I got Destiny at launch for PS4, I believe it cost £50 or something crazy like that. Yesterday I was fridge cleaning and tapped it open, I could not believe what I had missed. Two DLCs which I think were £20 each, and a bigger expansion coming this fall at £40 or something. That's like, £130 in a year, $200 American monies. Must be some game.

UK prices are over the top for Destiny. They are giving you a $1 =£1 price conversion which is really bad for UK folks. Americans paid $90-$100 for one year of Destiny content. The TTK expansion will be $40.

 

[Nipo]

How can someone who calls himself a gamer say something this condescending.... what it gave him was 800 hours of gamingThis game is made 100 times better cause of the community and co op content the grind is real but so are the fun moments of raiding etc.

Im as disgusted by the pricing scheme as everyone else mostly because the gunplay is solid as is VoG and hope we see that greatness again.sadly the flip side is thats how they can command such high price tag.

Grinding shouldn't be a thing in modern gaming. You shouldn't have to suffer or endure aspects of your leisure time just to get to fun parts.

 

[Kun Aguero]

I got Destiny at launch for PS4, I believe it cost £50 or something crazy like that. Yesterday I was fridge cleaning and tapped it open, I could not believe what I had missed. Two DLCs which I think were £20 each, and a bigger expansion coming this fall at £40 or something. That's like, £130 in a year, $200 American monies. Must be some game.

I got it for £40 from Amazon, why pay that much?

 

[Lalalandia]

Grinding shouldn't be a thing in modern gaming. You shouldn't have to suffer or endure aspects of your leisure time just to get to fun parts.

Yeah that's what broke my group, realising that the grind would start all over again in TDB with our 'upgraded' exotics. Worse was hearing the nonsense defence of 'they start out more powerful' given how many exotics are all but useless until the second perk is unlocked.

 

[HiredN00bs]

I don't like, own, or particularly care about Destiny, so I have no emotional investment in it, and yet my visceral reaction to reading this interview is still, "suck my dick, Luke Smith."

That's some astonishingly bad PR.

Yeah, if some Activision executive with whom I had no familiarity was saying the exact same thing, I think I would have a similar reaction. It reads like an acknowledgement that superfans are purposefully being exploited.

It's shitty. It can't be defended from a consumer perspective.

Also, the dollars to pounds 1:1 ratio makes no sense given the exchange rate. What the hell is going on there?

 

[gatti-man]

Grinding shouldn't be a thing in modern gaming. You shouldn't have to suffer or endure aspects of your leisure time just to get to fun parts.

If I grind I turn off the game. Yet I've still put in 100s of hours into destiny. You are only grinding when you aren't having fun and it's easy to have fun in Destiny.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Wow. I've never even considered playing Destiny and that interview still stings.

 

[Lalalandia]

If I grind I turn off the game. Yet I've still put in 100s of hours into destiny. You are only grinding when you aren't having fun and it's easy to have fun in Destiny.

That depends are you into PvP? Great. PvE though you're into vanguard playlists until the day is done. At least HoW has added additional ptrol stuff and one of the few things TDB did right was add mats trading. But yeah the grind was very, very real in vanilla (remember the mats lapping?)

 

[sturgboski]

How can someone who calls himself a gamer say something this condescending.... what it gave him was 800 hours of gamingThis game is made 100 times better cause of the community and co op content the grind is real but so are the fun moments of raiding etc.

Im as disgusted by the pricing scheme as everyone else mostly because the gunplay is solid as is VoG and hope we see that greatness again.sadly the flip side is thats how they can command such high price tag.

Its too bad the greatness of VoG has been replaced with artificial difficulty of making hard mode a lvl higher than the player's max (which incurs a stiff penalty of you doing less damage and taking more damage) and throwing lots of majors into the encounter. Which means that once you are equal in light lvl the content is probably trivialized. The complexities of VoG still prove a challenge even with a 3-4 level advantage on the content. Not to mention PoE being essentially a prolonged strike that falls into the same trap of CE. Maybe things will change.

 

[see5harp]

That depends are you into PvP? Great. PvE though you're into vanguard playlists until the day is done. At least HoW has added additional ptrol stuff and one of the few things TDB did right was add mats trading. But yeah the grind was very, very real in vanilla (remember the mats lapping?)

It's not grinding if he's having fun collecting helium and shards and killing enemies with melee attacks. Sure, he spent 80 hours doing that and the same strikes over and over again but it was fun. Hell, after all of that he was able to finally do the Raid!!

 

[gatti-man]

That depends are you into PvP? Great. PvE though you're into vanguard playlists until the day is done. At least HoW has added additional ptrol stuff and one of the few things TDB did right was add mats trading. But yeah the grind was very, very real in vanilla (remember the mats lapping?)

Sure I was day 1 and if I started grinding I'd just get off. A big part of why destiny is fun for me is the community. I'm always in party chat or doing group stuff.

It's not grinding if he's having fun collecting helium and shards and killing enemies with melee attacks. Sure, he spent 80 hours doing that and the same strikes over and over again but it was fun. Hell, after all of that he was able to finally do the Raid!!

Really dude.

 

[LiK]

I don't like, own, or particularly care about Destiny, so I have no emotional investment in it, and yet my visceral reaction to reading this interview is still, "suck my dick, Luke Smith."

That's some astonishingly bad PR.

all Destiny threads will soon be locked.

 

[see5harp]

Really dude.

So you didn't do all that shit after a couple days? If you were having fun with friends doing that stuff, good for you.

 

[Stinkles]

Forbes writeup:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/06/22/bungies-disastrous-taken-king-interview-could-have-ramifications-for-destiny/

Reads like a message board post.

Forbes accepts random blogs.

 

[x24hrs2livex]

I have to ask, how many people in this thread are from the UK and bought the initial season pass? Wasn't that too priced at $35/£35? Why is it all of a sudden an issue when it was already like that before?

 

[Imbarkus]

Forbes accepts random blogs.

TIL

Thanks.

 

[speiky]

I don't like, own, or particularly care about Destiny, so I have no emotional investment in it, and yet my visceral reaction to reading this interview is still, "suck my dick, Luke Smith."

That's some astonishingly bad PR.

I don't like it anymore, still own it, and invested a lot of time into the game, but after this fiasco I'll line up right behind you for a sucking...

 

[Yaari]

I have to ask, how many people in this thread are from the UK and bought the initial season pass? Wasn't that too priced at $35/£35? Why is it all of a sudden an issue when it was already like that before?

It most likely was. The price conversion has been like that for a while now. But with that said, it's always been an issue. We've been getting screwed like that for years, and then some guy diminishing the issue with "It's just foreign to me", well, that's not going to be received very well.