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[TheChundertaker]

Sounds like you will never understand because what you saw as an utter disappointment others enjoyed. Let me guess, you "got to level 15 and returned that shitty game"

Heard it countless times before, I don't expect you to reply or even enter this topic again. Shit posts are left, people forget to wipe, the cycle continues.

Back on topic, if I cared about collection editions and extra emotes I would be mad probably. I just want the game.


(did not realize £40 = $63, that's some bullshit)

Finished the story and did the raid. There wasn't enough to PVP for me to stick around. Don't get me wrong, I loved the art direction and look of the game but after doing the raid there was just nothing. I didn't want to buy the dlc either as I didn't particularly enjoy the game while playing it. Funnily enough I still have my copy sitting on my shelf for God knows what reason.

 

[fastballspecial]

After that interview... ESPECIALLY after that interview, I'm staying far as fuck away from this new expansion. I've been hoping for some piece of Destiny content to pull me back in and not let go since I stopped playing it regularly about a month after launch. Hasn't happened. Doesn't look like it will happen.

$40 is A FUCKING LOT to ask for what is essentially DLC, and DLC that is incomplete at that! Having to buy again what was bought before to get special shit is mind-blowing to me. Bungie is doing a disservice to their fans and/or customers by packaging their goods this way. Granted, the majority of the blame PROBABLY falls on Activision for this type of stuff while Bungie has to take it on the chin from everyone while shutting up, but it's no excuse. They signed the contracts all those years ago. They knew who they were getting into bed with.

Sorry about my little rant. Destiny has so much potential to me, but everyone involved with it just keeps falling flat on their face, in my eyes, while trying to make something of this god awful mess of a game. Plus NHL 16 comes out the same day. At least that's got all of its content back.

 

[patchday]

Yeah $40 is a lot I just don't think I'll go that route. I'm sure DestinyGAF will be fine with it. One of them just posted earlier he put in 800 hours. That's over 33 days of your life just sunk into a virtual game that gives nothing back. Compare that to something like DOTA 2 that has prize tournaments with millions of dollars. Those gamers can justify that time and be rewarded for it. The same with Gran Turismo. Some of the best racers went to GT academy and have become real racers.

I just think Destiny has a fairly weak pvp focus. Sure they added Trials of Osiris but all it does is dangle more carrots as usual.

Anyway Destiny is a fun game but I get tired of all the locked content behind a paywall. You cant just play the base Destiny game. Each DLC forces the community to upgrade since they lock Nightfalls, etc behind the dlc paywall. So of course the new expansion will be a roaring success. I just doubt if I'll pay for it though since I've barely played since taking all my characters to L34.

 

[Holundrian]

Meaning what exactly?

Meaning all that you deserve is what you pay for and this goes both ways positive and negative.
I don't think Destiny advertises special things for day 1 players so that whole attitude is nonsense. If you don't like that vote with your wallet.

Also maybe I'm just nagging about semantics when you didn't put too much thought into it when you used "deserve" but it has rather strong connotations.

 

[P44]

Damn them be shitty pricings no doubt, but the righteous indignation has peaked by now. Most of whingers were never going to play this anyway. Some people can't resist a good old fashioned Destiny pile on.

Though I will say this, Day 1 players still putting the hours in deserve better

I mean I'll grumble a little about FO4 or whatever, but after a day or so, I don't really have the energy to continue debating a game that honestly I don't think is all that.

Way I see it, in terms of what content there is in the game, there is enough stuff that I would have to play flat out fora few days every week to clear the weekly content available to me. More content will be great, it will increase the choice I have, but it does also push it to the point where I won't get everything I can do in a week done. I don't treat it as my job, I run a vault of glass because its fun, I run trials of osiris because its fun. I don't do daily story missions, because story is usually not fun. Other MMO's have much more content sure (I've played a ton of them over a 10 year span, and I still run an EVE account), but other MMO's don't have great gunplay. The expansion costs £40 and that's kind of okay to me, though I think £30 is a fairer valuation - I haven't paid a subscription, nor microtransactions in any way. Likely it comes out, and there's a spate of new activities to add to my weekly choices and I dump some more time into it.

On the developer being pretty obtuse in this interview, its less the person doing the PR and more...if they admit wrong, essentially they force the company to make a business move. A PR guy or a developer likely does not remotely have the authority to do anything like that, so, I dunno it's a pretty rough situation for him and he's dealt with it like this. The important thing is not, 'what the dev said', but can we stir up enough that the product leads greenlight some changes to what we're getting in September, if you're unhappy with it.

Yeah $40 is a lot I just don't think I'll go that route. I'm sure DestinyGAF will be fine with it. One of them just posted earlier he put in 800 hours. That's over 33 days of your life just sunk into a virtual game that gives nothing back. Compare that to something like DOTA 2 that has prize tournaments with millions of dollars. Those gamers can justify that time and be rewarded for it. The same with Gran Turismo. Some of the best racers went to GT academy and have become real racers.

I just think Destiny has a fairly weak pvp focus. Sure they added Trials of Osiris but all it does is dangle more carrots as usual.

Anyway Destiny is a fun game but I get tired of all the locked content behind a paywall. You cant just play the base Destiny game. Each DLC forces the community to upgrade since they lock Nightfalls, etc behind the dlc paywall. So of course the new expansion will be a roaring success. I just doubt if I'll pay for it though since I've barely played since taking all my characters to L34.

Dude, it's a game man.

Why are we expecting a game to give something back. You play a game for fun. This guys got 33 days of fun out of it. If he only got 1 day, you'd be celebrating that 'Destiny has no content'. People will dump hundreds of hours into Fallout and Skyrim and it's no problem, but the tone you've got here man...

 

[Interfectum]

I don't think Luke Smith's sarcasm and temperament works will in PR. He comes off as a total jack ass reading that.

 

[elcuervo75]

I used to think Bungie was so great, but Halo 4 was my favorite by far and I have no interest in Destiny so I don't even think about them anymore. Way more interest in what 343 is doing.

 

[justgames7604]

this isnt like bungie at all, i feel like activision just wasn't the right pub to go to.

 

[GRIMREEFZ]

even if i didnt already own this shit sandwich I wouldnt buy it due to ALL THE FUCKING HATE it receives from EVERYONE except for total d-bags.

 

[Bold One]

Meaning all that you deserve is what you pay for and this goes both ways positive and negative.
I don't think Destiny advertises special things for day 1 players so that whole attitude is nonsense. If you don't like that vote with your wallet.

Also maybe I'm just nagging about semantics when you didn't put too much thought into it when you used "deserve" but it has rather strong connotations.

You deserve what you pay for, ok cool.

I know nothing was advertised for day 1 players, a goodwil gesture would be nice, nowhere did I demand anything or feel we are entitled to it. but from the critical and player backlash the game feed, the day 1 locals carried this much maligned title, lack of content and all.

I know the game is hugely Divisive but The overly abrasive and condescending tone from a lot of the people here is really unnecessary.

 

[patchday]

Dude, it's a game man.

Why are we expecting a game to give something back. You play a game for fun. This guys got 33 days of fun out of it. If he only got 1 day, you'd be celebrating that 'Destiny has no content'. People will dump hundreds of hours into Fallout and Skyrim and it's no problem, but the tone you've got here man...

Well, not to derail the topic- but I started out on PC games like Unreal Tournament that regularly held "Make Something Unreal" contests that has resulted in gamers getting cash for their passion.

I look at the DGAF crowd and I get quite confused. I love'em and I play with them sometimes but when I read posts proclaiming they've dumped all those hours into the game I can't help but feel they're getting exploited. Especially when I see the base game lock them out of content unless the DLC is purchased

People keep bringing up CoD. I play CoD: AW and trust me- we don't get locked out of base content -at all-. Destiny locks gamers out of the base weekly activities.

Myself personally I wouldn't mind casually playing just the base content every now and then but I'm sure the new DLC will mess that up so I'll probably be parting ways. Plus not to mention all the new games coming out for Christmas.

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

Man, they need to put someone else out in front of these things. The guy getting interviewed there came off really, really poorly to me.

 

[Angelcurio]

I'm definitely done with Destiny. They got me the first time when i bought the season pass and the DLC mainly consisted in playing the same original areas in reverse mode, while not even adding a Raid in the last DLC. Now they want to charge almost the full price of the game just for an expansion that doesn't have the same amount of planets and strikes as the original base game? they are simply out of their minds.

 

[Rndm]

You can really tell that Activision forced their hand on this one.

This one? The entire game has been castrated and morphed into what it is today by Activision. The devs are just the ones getting the shit for it while trying to defend something that they did do, they are the devs in the end, but did not decide or intend to do.

I really do not want to know how some of the people over at Bungie must feel like. I hope we'll get someone from Bungie to speak up when the time has come in a few, 10+, years; when Destiny is history.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Meaning all that you deserve is what you pay for and this goes both ways positive and negative.
I don't think Destiny advertises special things for day 1 players so that whole attitude is nonsense. If you don't like that vote with your wallet.

Also maybe I'm just nagging about semantics when you didn't put too much thought into it when you used "deserve" but it has rather strong connotations.

Bungie also may not "deserve" any hard earned money for such content after a starved base game.

 

[sploatee]

You deserve what you pay for, ok cool.

I know nothing was advertised for day 1 players, a goodwil gesture would be nice, nowhere did I demand anything or feel we are entitled to it. but from the critical and player backlash the game feed, the day 1 locals carried this much maligned title, lack of content and all.

I know the game is hugely Divisive but The overly abrasive and condescending tone from a lot of the people here is really unnecessary.

I thought there was something - I saw that you get the 'founders' gear.

 

[waddams]

Not surprised given they have shown since the Destiny release that they don't care or have a clue about the players and what they want. Destiny's purpose seems to have been nothing but an experiment to see just how much you can annoy gamers before they just say screw it.

 

[pantsmith]

People keep bringing up CoD. I play CoD: AW and trust me- we don't get locked out of base content -at all-. Destiny locks gamers out of the base weekly activities.

What? You are in a really weird, nebulous grey area here.

If the weekly is base content, you aren't locked out, ever. If the weekly is DLC content, and you dont have it, you are locked out.

Technically at no point are you locked out of base content, unless you consider the weekly/nightfall itself "base" content, which is hard to pin down considering its a randomized modifier on top of a random strike. They've already addressed this by staggering the weekly and the nightfall, but if they only used the base strikes for either there would be even less reason to ever buy the DLC.

I thought there was something - I saw that you get the 'founders' gear.

This is correct. "Day-one" players are already getting rewarded with an exclusive emblem/shader/sparrow, for free.

Still, if your playerbase is upset because they want to buy unique emotes but don't want to rebuy the game, time to make some adjustments.

 

[Seanspeed]

This one? The entire game has been castrated and morphed into what it is today by Activision. The devs are just the ones getting the shit for it while trying to defend something that they did do, they are the devs in the end, but did not decide or intend to do.

I really do not want to know how some of the people over at Bungie must feel like. I hope we'll get someone from Bungie to speak up when the time has come in a few, 10+, years; when Destiny is history.

Is there any reason to think this is ALL just Activision and has nothing to do with Bungie?

 

[Holundrian]

Bungie also may not "deserve" any hard earned money for such content after a starved base game.

Absolutely. You are the decider of that the same way they are the decider of how much they think players deserve for their money.
Which brings me back to vote with your wallet. Support everyone that you feel is worth it, don't devalue your hard earned money for reasons like "I already invested too much", "All my friends play" etc, avoid regret purchases(if you put some effort in I believe there's generally enough material out there to really minimize the chance of it) buy stuff if you think it's worth it which is different for everyone.

 

[patchday]

What? You are in a really weird, nebulous grey area here.

If the weekly is base content, you aren't locked out, ever. If the weekly is DLC content, and you dont have it, you are locked out.

Technically at no point are you locked out of base content, unless you consider the weekly/nightfall itself "base" content, which is hard to pin down considering its a randomized modifier on top of a random strike. They've already addressed this by staggering the weekly and the nightfall, but if they only used the base strikes for either there would be even less reason to ever buy the DLC.

Yes, I am talking bout the Nightfalls. I never wanted to buy the TDB dlc but I wanted to continue doing the NFs with gaf. In order to do this every week you must purchase the dlc. If you do not- you will not get the weekly bonus xp and strange coins. Players need xp to level their items. So that's a big blow.

Every DGAF'er will always advise newcomers the dlcs are basically mandatory.

 

[GlamFM]

Is there any reason to think this is ALL just Activision and has nothing to do with Bungie?

The general idea here is that publishers love money while devs just can´t stand it.

Didn´t you know?

 

[Tawpgun]

Yes, I am talking bout the Nightfalls. I never wanted to buy the TDB dlc but I wanted to continue doing the NFs with gaf. In order to do this every week you must purchase the dlc. If you do not- you will not get the weekly bonus xp and strange coins. Players need xp to level their items. So that's a big blow.

Every DGAF'er will always advise newcomers the dlcs are basically mandatory.

TDB isn't really mandatory.

You'd be missing out on doing the nightfall for one week or something. And wouldn't be able to get black hammer. Thats about it.



and this is more Activision/bungie higher ups. Why would the creative/design director have any control over the pricing points.

This whole thing is hilariously overblown, I feel sorry for Luke that he has to deal with the internet being a bunch of babies.

I wish I could compile a master list of people who say they won't buy TTK or won't log in on Bungie Day in protest. And compare it to how many of them actually do.

 

[Helznicht]

I didn't buy in to Destiny mainly due to the fact I didn't think there was enough PvE content, I don't play a lot of pvp. But, from a outsider looking in, looking at how content and dlc is structured, this looks more like a Free to Play game that you have to buy up front.

 

[GlamFM]

Yes, I am talking bout the Nightfalls. I never wanted to buy the TDB dlc but I wanted to continue doing the NFs with gaf. In order to do this every week you must purchase the dlc. If you do not- you will not get the weekly bonus xp and strange coins. Players need xp to level their items. So that's a big blow.

Every DGAF'er will always advise newcomers the dlcs are basically mandatory.

That´s just every MP game ever though.

I didn't buy in to Destiny mainly due to the fact I didn't think there was enough PvE content, I don't play a lot of pvp. But, from a outsider looking in, looking at how content and dlc is structured, this looks more like a Free to Play game that you have to buy up front.

How so?

 

[Lalalandia]

This one? The entire game has been castrated and morphed into what it is today by Activision. The devs are just the ones getting the shit for it while trying to defend something that they did do, they are the devs in the end, but did not decide or intend to do.

I really do not want to know how some of the people over at Bungie must feel like. I hope we'll get someone from Bungie to speak up when the time has come in a few, 10+, years; when Destiny is history.

Not so fast the most credible rumours as to why we got this weird twisted disjointed 'thing' that is Destiny's SP experience is that the plans were too grand to ship before contract clauses kicked in that gave Acti a bigger share. So Bungie fundamentally gutted what they planned necessitating the scrapping of the plot which is why they seem to have spent an ungodly amount of money for people like Bill Nighy and Lance Reddick to read a dozen lines to act as glorified vendors. Bungie chose to sign that contract and chose to ship the mess that they did rather than eat the clause they signed up to.

I don't blame Luke Smith or even Deej for being so damn bad at communicating a bad plan, I blame a shitty PR plan and Bungie for failing to understand that we know they fucked it up we just need to hear that they know it too so it won't happen again. I'm kinda pissed here because I dropped for the Season Pass after they dropped the Exotic Shard & Mat Trading patch thinking 'They get it they're removing some of the BS so I can just play'. Then TDB drops I've spent tons of marks on mats and they added in fucking Commendations just so I couldn't spend my leftover marks on legendary gear straight away, oh and exotic resets mean regrinding so fuck you too. Would have only played the 2 1/2 hours of SP content in TDB if it weren't for helping tow a mate into the end game.

Destiny is basically a glorified chat client for me and my mates but Bungie seem to really want to pretend they've made something 'epic' when it's a nice PvP game (as someone with 0 experience of these things) with a very wonky PvE element. As Battlefront looks to be capable of delivering that too with recent updates DiCE/EA may actually get my money instead this winter and as someone who rage quit BF4 for Destiny that took some doing Bungie GG

 

[patchday]

That´s just every MP game ever though.

Not true at all. Activision also publishes CoD: AW. The DLCs are in no way mandatory. I am not locked out of any content because I did not purchase. I could keep going all day long with examples. MK X also does not have any sort of content lockouts. Same with BF 4.

For some reason 'Destiny' gamers think it's normal for multiplayer games to lockout base content. Nightfalls & Weekly Heroics are a *huge* deal. These are the only events I bothered to log on to play with gaf when I didn't bother buying TDB for many weeks.

 

[TheChundertaker]

TDB isn't really mandatory.

You'd be missing out on doing the nightfall for one week or something. And wouldn't be able to get black hammer. Thats about it.



and this is more Activision/bungie higher ups. Why would the creative/design director have any control over the pricing points.

This whole thing is hilariously overblown, I feel sorry for Luke that he has to deal with the internet being a bunch of babies.

I wish I could compile a master list of people who say they won't buy TTK or won't log in on Bungie Day in protest. And compare it to how many of them actually do.

Regarding Luke's job and the babies on the internet, I know some people can take their hate and complaints of the game too far but for the most part, I feel the complaints on the content of the game are completely justified.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Not only does Luke Smith not understand the concept of the British pound, it seems American money is also completely foreign to him as well. There is no way you can justify this crap especially after what they pulled with TDB and the base game. So far this one game will cost $140 for all content.

Does Destiny have $140 worth of content to justify that kind of price? Fuck no, it does not.

I used to be a hardcore Destiny stan, but this shit is beyond ridiculous. Bungie should be ashamed.

 

[codhand]

i put Destiny down a long time ago because it was completely bereft of content to an insulting degree, thing is Luke Smith was that dude at 1UP, sad to see him completely brainwashed.

the fact he pulls out these lame ass lines of mental gymnastics regarding price, shows he had to try hard to find a simulacrum of value in his own logic.

 

[Rndm]

Is there any reason to think this is ALL just Activision and has nothing to do with Bungie?

The game that was shown before the release and the sudden shift that came right when Activision announced their 10 year vision for the franchise. I can hardly believe that a dev like Bungie does such a medicore game (especially in terms of narrative) without any influence from the outside. It all really seemed like a last minute shift from standalone title to a 10 year investment that will be plagued by DLCs and Expansions. It all seems very streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetched out to make Activision's ActiVISION possible.

I mean yeah, that is all I got, but what do you have. I doubt Bungie can actually speak up and from all the drama surrounding the game what I'm saying doesn't seem that far-fetched.

 

[thenexus6]

It's funny looking back at how much I used to love Bungie; their podcast, community posts, vidocs, obviously the great games and now they've gone in such an odd direction.

Destiny was a HUGE let down for me, I kept the game for a while and actually sold it a few weeks ago - I didn't sell for much but I got sick of seeing it on my shelve.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I mean I'll grumble a little about FO4 or whatever, but after a day or so, I don't really have the energy to continue debating a game that honestly I don't think is all that.

Way I see it, in terms of what content there is in the game, there is enough stuff that I would have to play flat out fora few days every week to clear the weekly content available to me. More content will be great, it will increase the choice I have, but it does also push it to the point where I won't get everything I can do in a week done. I don't treat it as my job, I run a vault of glass because its fun, I run trials of osiris because its fun. I don't do daily story missions, because story is usually not fun. Other MMO's have much more content sure (I've played a ton of them over a 10 year span, and I still run an EVE account), but other MMO's don't have great gunplay. The expansion costs £40 and that's kind of okay to me, though I think £30 is a fairer valuation - I haven't paid a subscription, nor microtransactions in any way. Likely it comes out, and there's a spate of new activities to add to my weekly choices and I dump some more time into it.

On the developer being pretty obtuse in this interview, its less the person doing the PR and more...if they admit wrong, essentially they force the company to make a business move. A PR guy or a developer likely does not remotely have the authority to do anything like that, so, I dunno it's a pretty rough situation for him and he's dealt with it like this. The important thing is not, 'what the dev said', but can we stir up enough that the product leads greenlight some changes to what we're getting in September, if you're unhappy with it.



Dude, it's a game man.

Why are we expecting a game to give something back. You play a game for fun. This guys got 33 days of fun out of it. If he only got 1 day, you'd be celebrating that 'Destiny has no content'. People will dump hundreds of hours into Fallout and Skyrim and it's no problem, but the tone you've got here man...

Yeah this bit killed me. As if playing a game is worthless unless you get real world shit out of it?? That's what the rest of my life is for, brah! I play Destiny because it's fun as hell. Still. Every day.

 

[P44]

Well, not to derail the topic- but I started out on PC games like Unreal Tournament that regularly held "Make Something Unreal" contests that has resulted in gamers getting cash for their passion.

I look at the DGAF crowd and I get quite confused. I love'em and I play with them sometimes but when I read posts proclaiming they've dumped all those hours into the game I can't help but feel they're getting exploited. Especially when I see the base game lock them out of content unless the DLC is purchased

People keep bringing up CoD. I play CoD: AW and trust me- we don't get locked out of base content -at all-. Destiny locks gamers out of the base weekly activities.

Myself personally I wouldn't mind casually playing just the base content every now and then but I'm sure the new DLC will mess that up so I'll probably be parting ways. Plus not to mention all the new games coming out for Christmas.

I can definitely see your point, my first FPS being UT and all (though I was a kid so these contests were somewhat beyond me haha). They probably need to offer alternate weeklies for the base game people, which I don't think would be very hard.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

It's funny looking back at how much I used to love Bungie; their podcast, community posts, vidocs, obviously the great games and they've gone in such an odd direction.

They used to be so involved with their community and now they're just a oversized studio using past fame to justify their present follies.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Have to say as someone from the uk I find it quite insulting at how quickly they brushed over 40 dollars = 40 pounds

40 pounds is the equivalent to 62 dollars and I doubt AAA titles retail for that much out in the states?

 

[SonnyBoy]

Before all of this hoopla, my interest in the game started to wane again. I quite once before, but a close friend reeled me back in. While it's certainly a fun game and I have a blast playing with my friends. I feel somewhat empty after dumping hours into the game, day after day for the chance to win something. I grew tired of seeing friends be awarded Gallahorn after Gallhorn, and I haven't even come close lol. Being a dad and playing Destiny don't really work well together.

Putting that aside, I don't like the practices being displayed with this expansion.

 

[SlickShoes]

Absolutely. It has to be considered a failure of sorts, hence the pushback on DLC.

It's mad, if this was a PC only "MMO" it would have sunk as fast as APB.

The basic release is so devoid of content it's unreal.

The alpha and beta felt amazing, like Jeff says, the shooting was great the wee bit of the world seemed nice. Little did we know that was almost 1/4 of the game.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

So sad of what Destiny was initially set to become. Now we have a hollow teaspoon amount of content each 'expansion'. With PR justifiying the cost of almost a full retail game.

I would have liked this game if they didn't try and pound me in the arse.

Initial Release- Short, very bad story.. well i forget what it was even about now. The crows story rumor sounded WAY better. We didnt even see the Awoken dude on Earth like the reveal trailer showcasing the Story. There is no exploration to find Amazing Loot, just spawn points where enemies are at for us to kill. This is a case of Downgrading Content/Story.

Expansion I the dark below - Nothing needs to be said about this atrocity LOL
Expansion II House of Wolves - I mean i guess it's something a little better?

We could even had done without the expansions. All updates to improve destiny's matchmaking, weapons, upgrades, etc were all before/between the expasions...
The only thing i can think of the expansions providing are just new guns, gear, mp maps. Light level caps are available without expansions.

The game that was stipped of it's destiny ironically is called destiny. So much good stuff gone. What a shame.

On the plus side, it did offer hours of Grinding. For those who just want to shoot and loot. (not me) Although, it can be better just looking at other MMO games that require a lot of grinding for better loot. Content out the wazoo and almost cheaper in a sense for so many other games.

 

[DMTripper]

Have to say as someone from the uk I find it quite insulting at how quickly they brushed over 40 dollars = 40 pounds

40 pounds is the equivalent to 62 dollars and I doubt AAA titles retail for that much out in the states?

Yep, what a joke :-/

 

[Tawpgun]

Regarding Luke's job and the babies on the internet, I know some people can take their hate and complaints of the game too far but for the most part, I feel the complaints on the content of the game are completely justified.

The contents meaning the inability to get excluisive content without buying the CE? Or just the content in vanilla destiny, the expansions vs the price?

Couple things: People are making it seem like exclusive content is something Bungie came up with to grab peoples money. No one is crying foul at games having exclusive content for pre ordering at different retailer, or rather people don't like that practice but they're not crying on the same scale as here. Or buying another game to get an item (CoD:Aw and the blacksmith shader).

Bungie is giving veteran players their own exclusives. Those that want to buy the dumb kid edition for some fucking emotes can do so and they did. It's sold out. THink about this. You're not getting some new guns. New abilities. Nothing that gives you anything useful in the game. All you're getting is exclusive EMOTES and a cape. And people are calling for Luke to be fired? Even though he has no control over any of this?

Regarding the expansions and content vs the price I'll say this. I agree. I think $20 per expansion was too much given the NEW content they brought. I think $40 is a lot for something that is only adding one new area. Even if the expansion is bigger than just that.

However, you have to look at the precedant here. There was an article that compared the Diablo expansion to the destiny one. Same price. More or less same content. Doesn't mean its right, but thats the industry standard.




And finally, despite the lack of content Destiny remains one of the top played games on each console. Their stats for the average hours a destiny player plays are absurd. So when you look at the expansions and the entire game as a price per hour of entertainment.... its kind of ridiculous.

 

[codhand]

conclusion?

Buy ATVI.

 

[MrS]

This one? The entire game has been castrated and morphed into what it is today by Activision. The devs are just the ones getting the shit for it while trying to defend something that they did do, they are the devs in the end, but did not decide or intend to do.

I really do not want to know how some of the people over at Bungie must feel like. I hope we'll get someone from Bungie to speak up when the time has come in a few, 10+, years; when Destiny is history.

I don't buy this at all. Bungie are not powerless and they chose to get in to bed with Activision. Nobody forced this on them and Bungie are not blameless in the shit show that Destiny has become. People are free to buy in to the narrative that this is all Activisions fault, but when you have Bungie employees behaving like Luke Smith did in the interview it's pretty clear how Bungie view the Destiny playerbase.

 

[pantsmith]

Not only does Luke Smith not understand the concept of the British pound, it seems American money is also completely foreign to him as well. There is no way you can justify this crap especially after what they pulled with TDB and the base game. So far this one game will cost $140 for all content.

Or $60 this fall, lol.

 

[BuzzZaw75]

I used to love Destiny. I defended Destiny. At the time I stopped playing I had three level 32's, every exotic except the 4th Horseman, and two gjallarhorns. To say I put in enough time to experience the game is an understatement. The lack of content, time commitment, and constant grind made me stop playing well before HoW came out..

There are several friends I know of are in this same boat and actually even more deeper. Reading the "Destiny" topic in the forum all I see is "well....I got my 3rd, 4th, 5th this and that or got more garbage, more crap, etc...." yet they continue to ride that Merry-G-Round of endless rehashed stuff.

And some just cannot wait for the Taken King and while trying to explain the $40-60....so Luke Smith is correct when he basically puts it out there, they do have some by the balls. Sorry....but not me as that $40 will go somewhere else...be it Star Wars, Fallout, Uncharted Collection, COD Black ops 3.....sure not Bungie & Destiny's Cash Cow

 

[patchday]

At least TDB added the raid which was really good. The new dlc adds the new campaign which is pretty good but it's only like 1 hour or a little more. After that- well.... Yeah. It's nothing an experienced gamer hasn't seen done better in other games. For instance, I liked the horde mode in Halo much better (firefight) & mass Effect 3 multiplayer. [edit- ME3 MP had a crappy RNG not trying to justify that. Random loot distribution in ME3 MP would make Destiny blush]

The PVP (Trials of Osiris)- yeah I'd rather play a shooter, Mortal kombat, or a MOBA.

But all that being said they finally made it so all legendaries can be ascended. They've made great quality of life changes but any patch could have & should have done that

 

[Seanspeed]

The game that was shown before the release and the sudden shift that came right when Activision announced their 10 year vision for the franchise. I can hardly believe that a dev like Bungie does such a medicore game (especially in terms of narrative) without any influence from the outside. It all really seemed like a last minute shift from standalone title to a 10 year investment that will be plagued by DLCs and Expansions. It all seems very streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetched out to make Activision's ActiVISION possible.

I mean yeah, that is all I got, but what do you have. I doubt Bungie can actually speak up and from all the drama surrounding the game what I'm saying doesn't seem that far-fetched.

There's a difference between saying something isn't far-fetched and assuming it's definitely true.

 

[kiguel182]

It's mad, if this was a PC only "MMO" it would have sunk as fast as APB.

The basic release is so devoid of content it's unreal.

The alpha and beta felt amazing, like Jeff says, the shooting was great the wee bit of the world seemed nice. Little did we know that was almost 1/4 of the game.

Pretty much.

If this had more content or free content updates AND an expansion now I would probably still be playing and would buy the expansion day one. But the content and the money they ask for it it's insane since you need the DLCs to progress, it's not like COD where you can enjoy the game all the same without map packs like I do.

But they have a rabid fanbase that clearly enjoys the game enough to pour this amount of money into it so they clearly know what they are doing I guess.

 

[Yaari]

I see the original article as linked in page 1 has gotten an update. That has probably been mentioned already, but I figure I'd throw it out here.

This guy Luke Smith... unbelievable. Just because Destiny sold well, don't take the community for granted. You can't shove everything down our throats as you please.

 

[CircleOfFire]

For some reason 'Destiny' gamers think it's normal for multiplayer games to lockout base content.

Your definition of "base content" is quite literally different to everyone else's. Base content to me (and I'd bet most people) is all the missions the original game came which you can still play regardless. Nightfalls and heroics are weekly events, they can be missions from the expansions, which I totally agree can suck but it's not like they've stopped you playing all the strikes from the core game or the Vault Of Glass raid.