Fighting Games Weekly | June 29 - Jul 5 | Frauds Among U.S.

CO_Andy said:
You guys remember when Rico Suave was the best Abel player in North America? What happened?
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Rico doesn't play the game much. He relies on just having good reads. That can only get you so far.

And I don't think he was ever the best Abel. Strider just doesn't live in a place with a weekly stream.
 
joe2187 said:
I'll never forgive Ono for getting my hopes up.
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KidA Seven said:
I don't think I am. What tournaments are even in Japan? I know there was Choukaigi/Tokaigi and KVO. Choukaigi and Tokaigi were official Nintendo tournaments or nico nico tournaments. How many viewers did KVO get for Smash? Console tournaments as a whole are rare in Japan because venues are expensive and there isn't a lot of TOs out in Japan. The ones that exist are the fg players that went out to US tournaments. KSK is one of those. Dogura with the mixupnightmonday crew is one of those. Then there are a lot of TOs that organize with the arcades like akajojo, gama (rip), kagecchi, etc... which doesn't take as much work as getting a lot of consoles, monitors, and renting out venues. US as a whole just has so many people willing to organize tournaments compared to Japan. It's also harder as there is no prize pots to be won in Japan unless the developer or some company puts in a lot of money.

I know Smash is huge in Japan, but I'm talking about competitively.
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exactly, you don't even know the scene yet you act like you do

the monthly Umebura tournaments draw 150+ fairly consistently, and there are other regions that have large tourneys albeit less frequently
 
DryEyeRelief said:
*sigh*

I think by comparing me to him you don't understand what my actual qualm with this is.

We've had this conversation before. By catering to the old games you prevent new games from growing. I would feel exactly the same way if Street Fighter 4 were in Marvel 3's position. You prevent them from people capturing their potential hype moments and you prevent them from creating their own storylines. Ultrachen this week was just depressed over the fact that not every game can be big like street fighter. They were hoping MKX and GGxrd would have decent shots. Their shots are now. MKX especially, since there's great potential to bring new people to this community with that game.

You have it backwards. It isn't go with true and trusted Marvel 3 and ignore the other games because they're hot phases. Those games have the potential to create their own legacies, but it can only be done right now. Marvel 3 isn't dead and isn't going anywhere. But it is never going to grow. You're showing it now by outlining how many years it has left. Also, it's hilarious that people are tweeting #marvelisn'tdead when I think out of all the games of the lineup, barring SF4, it's the game that needs exposure the least to keep itself afloat.

Essentially, it is much like what the Melee community will eventually do to Smash 4, despite Smash 4 being a good game in its own right. Killing the newer game, because you prefer the old game. At least Melee is growing.
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Like I said, I don't disagree with all of this. You asked me a question and I answered sincerely of what I believed MrWizard was thinking when he made his decision.

Really it all boils down to do you give preferential treatment to something which has been on the EVO stage for years (and thus proven itself) or do you give preferential treatment to something that is new and that has potential (or could be a dud like SFxT/Brawl). This is not just a Marvel argument but also a Smash 4 vs Smash Melee thing. Why is Melee on Sunday near the prime spot but Smash 4 isn't when Smash 4 is a newer game AND Smash 4 has more entrants? The answer (from the point of view of MrWizard) is that Melee has a bigger history at EVO and a tried and true tournament legacy and thus is more likely to put up a better "show" (purely subjective). Whether that is justified or not is up to the tournament organizer.

I definitely would not want to be in his shoes that's for sure. Also there's the issue of Twitch CPM and what Crash-14 was saying. Maybe MrWizard is making these decisions based purely off of what he believes will maximize Twitch CPM.
 
Sayah said:
800+ is still an absolutely good great tourney entrant number for a game that hasn't had any patches or updates in a long time. I would be playing MvC3 if it had a patch to fix character balancing and better netcode. But knowing Capcom, they would probably have made things even worse with a patch.
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I'd still play Marvel if I hadn't unhooked the 360 and hooked up the XB1 and PS4. Unsure how many others are like me.

That and skill degrades so fast, especially in that game, I'd be afraid to even try at this point.
 
DryEyeRelief said:
Rico doesn't play the game much. He relies on just having good reads. That can only get you so far.

And I don't think he was ever the best Abel. Strider just doesn't live in a place with a weekly stream.
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I'm a Rico fanboy because that's a homie of mine but you're about right. Strider had the complicated option selects and the overall tech on tap while Rico is a dude who just relied on footsies and good reads which only gets you so far like you said. But also strider picked up Makoto and Yang since Super before coming back to Able in Ultra.
 
theprodigy said:
exactly, you don't even know the scene yet you act like you do

the monthly Umebura tournaments draw 150+ fairly consistently, and there are other regions that have large tourneys albeit less frequently
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Looks like it's a monthly tournament with 100 players. It had 195 players at the end of 2014.
 
I just glanced at the banner of this week's FGW...

LMAO that's godlike! I usually give Enzo shit for the titles but man these banners make my day!
 
Shoutouts to Smedwicks. Congrats and good luck moving forward!

Rhapsody said:
I don't touch GAF Smash threads, they're really tough to go through. Smashboards have arguments at times for superior aspects of the game, but they're mostly users of a competitive mindset. Here, it's a mix of casual and competitive in a single thread and things go bad.
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Yeah, Smash threads are often the worse fighting game related threads on GAF. So much just.........nonsense :(
 
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