this is bullshit
"let them die" as if Superman was fucking off playing solitaire somewhere instead of fighting against a bunch of Kryptonian soldiers with his same powers who were trying to commit omnicide.
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"let them die" as if Superman was fucking off playing solitaire somewhere instead of fighting against a bunch of Kryptonian soldiers with his same powers who were trying to commit omnicide.
Discotheque
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good luck with that. he looked like he smelled a fart when he was trying to emote 'concern' during ma kent's monologue.
ben affleck is absolutely going to kill it though. i'm getting so many don draper vibes from his appearance these days both in the film and at the panel. he looks so disconnected.
and as much as I hated that kinda overdone cgi climax in man of steel it might be worth it imo for that shot of bruce wayne witnessing the destruction.
moreso than any other super hero movie (since x2's opening perhaps) it really sold the idea of just how scary a superpowered being can be on earth. that heat vision shot from afar was so good. i keep going back to that in the trailer, it's cool
Beelzebufo
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Both Metropolis and Gotham are NYC sized. They're both based on NYC.
That's exactly what happened though. These movies are supposed to be "realistic", but if thousands of people died because of some weirdo alien, everyone would have a legitimate reason for hating that weird alien and wanting him gone. But god forbid Lex Luthor tries to make some money off the controversy!! lol
exmachina64
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Metropolis is more like Boston.
Bludhaven is more of an analogue to Chicago, but they (DC) always want to put it on the Eastern Seaboard.
Also true.
Gotham is 1970s NYC, Metropolis is modern day NYC.
Sibersk Esto
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Just for MOS. You have to remember that the future movies weren't being planned for while MOS was being made.
Detroit works and it has the feel of a dark gritty city.
EmCeeGramr
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what if it's not a dream sequence
I was new to comics I didn't know they killed and revive Superheroes like every other day
orthodoxy1095
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Changes everything.
Michael F. Assbender
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I know you want to use logic to debate him, but you can't. Just let it go. He's concern trolling. It's so bad that I made him the only resident on my ignore list.
exmachina64
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I'll be excited.
I just think they have a bunch of fiction cities added to the US which in theory would increase our total population. Gotham, Metropolis, Key Stone, Star(ling), Coast City, etc. All of them have at least a million people living in them, with some as big as New York City's 7-8 mil.
I guess in theory, other REAL cities would be wiped out or slightly moved or merged into neighboring ones to accommodate these fictional cities. No one ever really thinks about it.
I think I'm biased because I like to believe that I live in Gotham.
I thought it was supposed to be Newark.
Sibersk Esto
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Then Lex is bankrolling an army.
I'm gonna say that's highly unlikely. Snyder loves his dream sequences.
broncobuster
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Scribble "In" ahead of the Justice League logo and move forward.
Along the same line, DC Earth is slightly bigger than our Earth. Not kidding.
because he saved billions of people. In the real world people know heroes can't save everyone no matter how good they are. It is possible to have most people have a positive view of Superman since he saved 99.9999999999% of the world's population while some feel he didn't do enough or caused the problem. Similar to the way people view plenty of organizations and people in the world that attempt to do good, but often fall short.
Beelzebufo
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And in the real world all of the people that didn't die would have a very legitimate reason for wanting Supeman to go away, even if he saved most of the people from the disaster be caused. That's the whole point- it's weird that they made a Superman film where Lex Luthor is the hero.
What were they thinking?
Gambit 1138
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Looks much better but still so much unnecessary shit like that goofy CG rocket explosion that looks so fake and should have been cut from the script. I'm also skeptical that Snyder is going to make all these ideas payoff like supermans military cult etc.
Is that a nod to red sun soviet batman?
Is that a nod to red sun soviet batman?
That's terror.
Sibersk Esto
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The CGI head of superman when he's (supposedly) firing heat vision at Batman looks straight from the DCU Online opening
Mighty Chin
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Is Metropolis the new Benghazi?
NipplesAndToes23
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Why 1970's? From the cartoon it felt like it was in the prohibition era.
Beelzebufo
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I think he meant in like terms of crime rates.
Metropolis is like the more idealized NYC, like the big apple.
Gotham is the scummy crime-ridden side of NYC.
There is probably more smoking gun evidence relative to Benghazi then there is for painting Superman as a killer as some would like you to believe!
Shining Sunshine
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Now they try to make Batman look like the bad guy.
Still don't buy the premise of the movie. It's so confused.
Still don't buy the premise of the movie. It's so confused.
That doesn't make Luthor the hero though, just an opportunist. One of the core things about Superman, especially early on, is proving that he's someone people can trust and that no matter what he'll always try to do his best. Inevitably, Luthor will reveal to the world that he's just as much a danger as any alien threat and that Superman will always try his hardest to save everyone and often will. This often happens right after he reveals himself to the world and saves it from some crazy incident, like Superman: Birthright.
The conflict between who will the public trust; the mysterious man from space or the self-made man from Metropolis is one of the best parts of the Superman and Lex relationship and the way the world looks at both of them will shift. By casting Superman in a bad light it lets him prove that he has all the best parts of humanity because he won't stop trying to do good even if it would be in his best interest to just leave or do nothing, as seen in MoS but it will likely be reiterated in in BvS.
iirc, Zod is the only time he killed in the comics, and it was for the same reason. however, i think it was in an alternate universe when he did it.
I don't understand what its confused about
The world is still coming to grips with Supermans existence. He is seen as a hero by many, and threat by others due to his godlike powers
Bruce Wayne/Batman does not trust him, blames him for the death of people he knew
Lex Luthor manipulating the world and/or Superman and Batman themselves to further his own plan
The emergence of Superman catches the attention of Wonder Woman, who will have a role to play in the storys development.
Beelzebufo
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I don't disagree with anything you've said, but they didn't do the bolded in the last film at all. Lex don't have to spin anything, literally every single person on earth has every reason to think the things he's saying. If Superman wanted to protect Earth, his best bet really is just to take all the other Kryptonian stuff and leave at this point. Earth never had any Doomsdays or Doomsday Machines or Killer Robots before he came!
That's pretty much the issue they're tackling with this movie, with Batman representing those that want him to go away. Marvel's doing the same thing. The Avengers are pretty much the reason for a lot of the world ending events occurring, so some kind of super hero regulation feels justified hence Captain America: Civil War.
Beelzebufo
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"I'm sorry your family died m'am, but good news! More people didn't die!"
Schweinehund
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Dick, Jason & Damian.
Tim was never a robin in new 52. Tim and Dick are the Robin's he had the longest.
If anything I think story is too predictable and simple. Sometimes simple is best
It amuses me you don't realize no one would even be around to make that joke otherwise.
If not, then we gonna be in for some hard times here at GAF, daddy.
Beelzebufo
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You're right, they're the jerks for being upset.
He did though. He doomed his entire race to extinction, gave up the possibility of knowing his real family and sacrificed his ability to lead a regular s life to save people who could easily turn on him, as his parents feared. He ruined his only chance he had to know everything he ever wanted to about himself because he cared that much about Earth.
Edit: and the trailer, and expanded DCU in general, suggests there has always been crazy city threatening things going on on Earth, but things have died down in recent years.
Still hurts. I remember when hsving a staff was a Tim thing and not a Robin thing too.
I feel like this actually got brought up back in the JLA/Avengers crossover.
That is some bullshit.
Schweinehund
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Yup, not to mention his Teen Titan run was awful (unsure about new 52 vol 2).
Fortunately I liked him in Batman Eternal.
TheGreatDirector
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Beelzebufo
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And I honestly don't know why anyone who just experienced Kryptonian 9/11 should care about that. In the public eye, Superman has done nothing but harm. Less harm than he could have I'll admit.
The whole "Superman is good but people don't know if they should trust him" bit only works in comic books when Superman always saves the day. When you try to make a Superman movie realistic for some reason that gets ruined because Superman isn't realistic, and you end up with a Superman movie that's depressing.
What were they thinking?
orthodoxy1095
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It was still a canon event for mainline Supes, but it was indeed alternate universe. It's a weird storyline to bring up in this discussion though without fully explaining why he ended up killing him.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Hey wait no Jor El told him everything he wanted to know
And he still leads a regular life, just also as Superman. If anything he's in a better place now because he has a steady job instead of drifting everywhere.
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