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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Comic-Con Trailer
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If rumours are true, Doomsday.
Is it really a problem though? I feel a lot of people are seriously stretching to pick issues were their aren't any. We know that these aren't new characters. We know the history. The more exciting part is how they get there.
Mr. Poolman
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I've been fooled by Snyder before.
Won't watch unless there are stellar reviews,
MoS was such a displeasing movie to me. It had everything, save for the Superman character.
Won't watch unless there are stellar reviews,
MoS was such a displeasing movie to me. It had everything, save for the Superman character.
? how long is it supposed to be?
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One serious problem with Bruce's motivation to fight superman is this:
He is the world's greatest detective, how is he this mislead? Also, the military was working with Superman to save Metropolis. Surely he his intel would have helped him know this as well.
He is the world's greatest detective, how is he this mislead? Also, the military was working with Superman to save Metropolis. Surely he his intel would have helped him know this as well.
Maninthemirror
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Batmans motivation is that superman's destructive nature must be controlled
Batman with the short ears is just hilarious
Crimson-Death
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You know, I never understood that kind of thinking. I mean, I kind of do, because fun and silly is what first comes to mind when most people think comic book movie.
Thrilling and inspiring? I am sure if you look hard enough, you would find that in the Nolan trilogy. I sure did. Fun? Yeah I had a LOT of fun with those movies, because they were the closest to the comics at the time. Nolan/Goyer stuff was itself inspired by the "downbeat" comics, which to me are the real soul of things when it comes to comic book movies.
And to me it looks like Batman v Superman is going to be thrilling, fun, and I don't know about inspiring, the characters themselves are inspiring to me in the darkness they face, but certainly the movie will be the closest to the comics yet, despite the differences.
I like what I see with Eisenberg Luthor, despite being too young. I am willing to give it a chance. Affleck looks fucking awesome and I am sorry I doubted him for a second.
hahaha you serious mayne?
The complaint isn't about BvS, it's about MoS, and doesn't get invalidated by a two-minute trailer. Even if BvS eventually manages to acknowledge the mistakes of Man of Steel, MoS won't magically become a good film. It'll just be a bad prequel.
The destruction wasn't a plot device in MoS, it was just Snyder being Snyder.
That's the only reason I'm looking forward to BvS. It won't change the perception of MoS, I hope you can understand this.
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I get trying to control him, but Bats looks like he's out to fucking kill him. He actually says he wants to destroy him.
The traditional Batman would have approached him and reigned him in by telling him to be careful and making him feel guilty.
Wished Doomsday is solely for MoS2 instead of cramming him in BvS. :/
Monocle
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This is good. The inclusion of Wonder Woman is also good. I have a couple reasons to give this movie a chance.
I like Zack Snyder's work sometimes (300, Watchmen), but films like Sucker Punch and Man of Steel make me question the depth of his creative abilities and his seriousness as a storyteller. He seems to fall into a pattern of using perfunctory human elements as a pretense for wanton stylized violence. I mean hey, that's cool when it works. But it doesn't work in movies that are structured to depend on strong sympathetic characters.
MoS had the additional challenge of being true to a classic character and franchise, which... didn't work out so well. After all, Superman Returns easily outclasses it in terms of characterization and story.
Maninthemirror
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In bvs the destruction of mos is the plot device. It is retroactively acknowledging the very complaint you have about the destruction
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We're jumping to conclusions over a trailer. We don't know how many important people died because of Superman's actions in Bruce's world. He's pissed.
Knowing that the destruction wasn't meaningless, even in retrospect, has the potential to improve the way I view Man of Steel.
The issue in that film was that it was mindless destruction. Spectacle porn, as people say. And yeah it still is. But knowing that those scenes are given meaning in a sequel can make for a retroactive improvement. Same with how they handle Zod and the implications of Superman's actions.
Monocle
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Yep. It'll be nice if BvS can pull this off.
It seems like he isn't one of those directors who can turn a poor script into a decent movie. Which isn't a knock on him, that's a rare talent. If Snyder is given a solid script, I think he can bring his visual flair for action to it in a way that doesn't detract from the storytelling or characterization. Pacing maybe, he does love to linger on the CGI mayhem.
That would be a miracle, and the absolute best case scenario for me with a movie called Batman v. Superman. It certainly requires a deft touch, and maybe Terrio is capable of writing a screenplay that can pull it off, but it remains to be seen.
Batman doesn't kill. Well, Batman doesn't kill humans.
He'll kill a pig. He'll kill a mosquito. Maybe he'll kill a rampaging alien if need be.
Monocle
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Yeah, I'd agree with that.
peanutbutterlatte
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This is a Batman that's potentially
because he wouldn't break his rule.
had his ward murdered
Yeah, it would be the easiest thing for them to screw up.
But hopefully they are careful with it. It's a good opportunity.
This could be fascinating.
It's a shame that we won't see Nightwing on-screen in this continuity, though.
SpiralZilla
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Off the top of my head? Winter Soldier. Easily beats MoS.
Mr. Poolman
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I think I don't like how reactive this movie is.
The plot is a reaction to the huge backlash MoS got.
Its very existence is a reaction to Avengers and MCU.
It doesn't look like Warner has a clear plan.
The plot is a reaction to the huge backlash MoS got.
Its very existence is a reaction to Avengers and MCU.
It doesn't look like Warner has a clear plan.
For Jor-El gave unto Earth his only begotten son, Steve Rogers.
I need to go watch The Winter Soldier again.
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I don't understand why your criteria is so specific. Yes, MoS was probably the best movie that featured a superhero that flies around with a cape and blue tights that came out in the last decade.
In terms of superhero movies with the heroes having actual superpowers, there's a long list of movies that were better than MoS:
Spiderman 1 and 2
The Amazing Spiderman
Thor
All of the X-Men movies
Same here. I don't like Zack Snyder's movies at all, didn't like 300, didn't like Watchmen(one of the most boring superhero movies I've ever watched), didn't like Man of Steel. One of my friends actually wished he could wipe his memory so that he can forget he ever watched Man of Steel.
The trailers for his movies look good, but, despite that, the trailer for BvS didn't do anything for me.
I hope Christopher Nolan being attached to this movie in some capacity helps steer it in the right direction.
It looks like an actual story with some attempt at substance which is more than can be said about the avengers.
peanutbutterlatte
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The comment you're quoting is more accurate than you realize.
I hope they were forward thinking enough not to
kill Dick Grayson.
I'm crossing my fingers that it was on-set trickery or they changed their minds after the fact and decided to cut scenes showing the
tombstone
If Warner Bros play their cards right they have the seeds to have an awesome universe. They get to do
Red Hood
Dick Grayson as the heir to the cowl at some point, as I doubt Affleck will be Batman past his 50's
What I've seen is promising but I really hope Snyder doesn't do things for his vision of Batman that end up undercutting what another director wants to do in the same universe. That's my issue so far; it seems like mainstay characters like Batman, The Joker and Lex Luthor are cast without regards to their future importance in the universe.
Cautiously interested. I found MoS to be an average to mediocre replay of Superman The Movie that relied on big action scenes and some solid performances to paper over the narrative cracks.
This trailer already has a lot more interesting content, and in particular Afleck I think really looks terrific as Wayne/Batman (although the robo suit still looks pretty stupid to me).
But... Wonder Woman feels like one element too many already just from a trailer... the courtroom scene/concept didn't work for me... and I guess it's inevitable but oh look glowing green rock yet again...
I am now definitely interested in what Afleck can do with a standalone Batman though.
This trailer already has a lot more interesting content, and in particular Afleck I think really looks terrific as Wayne/Batman (although the robo suit still looks pretty stupid to me).
But... Wonder Woman feels like one element too many already just from a trailer... the courtroom scene/concept didn't work for me... and I guess it's inevitable but oh look glowing green rock yet again...
I am now definitely interested in what Afleck can do with a standalone Batman though.
Someone needs to stop this maniac
The fuck is wrong with you?
This is the best comic book suit ever put on film, no question.
I thought I read some official DC thing years back that said Gotham was in New Jersey.
peanutbutterlatte
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Nah not quite. That goes to either ASM2's Spidey (bleugh) or Deadpool.
I wonder if they'll back out of that? I hope so. The Bat family is a great way to expand on these characters. Loner Bruce Wayne is played out and, frankly, quite creepy.
WB needs to stop mimicking Marvel. Marvel has a creative roadmap that they're following, WB/DC will gain nothing by being purely reactive. Sure, Marvel hits some potholes every now and then, but they can course-correct accordingly because of the ontology they've created for themselves, a luxury that WB/DC doesn't have.
They should be making more movies like Suicide Squad. That feels like one of the more inspired decisions they've made so far.
Miles Quaritch
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Isn't the whole point it looks chunky as fuck?
It's meant to be padded with armour and allow for more faster movement? In the short clip we see of Bats in action, he already looks like the most brutal and savage Batman we've seen on screen.
BruceLeeRoy
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Watching it again I really do love everything in that trailer except Jesse Eisenberg.
Ill wait for final judgement but he is a terrible looking/sounding Luthor
Ill wait for final judgement but he is a terrible looking/sounding Luthor
Miles Quaritch
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I can't wait to see how he loses his hair and find out what the deal with him stroking Superman's face is...
I bet there's going to be a lot of "fanart"
Miles Quaritch
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Spidey and Deadpool are easier to do imo, well Deadpool less so. There's more going on in Batman's costume, and nobody has nailed the look like this.
Spider-Man has had a pretty consistent look througout all his films, and while I haven't seen ASM2, the suit does look good.
Deadpool does look great too, and I'm glad they're going with CG eyes.
I mostly wanted to counter his "looks like ass" hyperbole with my own anyway, but so far it is my favourite suit I've ever seen. Helps that Batman is my favourite character.
The 'phantom' stroking Superman's face kind of sold me on this Lex. Then "The red capes are coming" unsold me. But I like a manipulative Lex who wants Superman to bow before him. He just gets off on getting the strongest being on the planet to heed his command.
Hopefully he goes bald sooner rather than later.
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