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[esmith08734]

There's going to be ties to squad for sure. I feel like I'm in the minority when I say I like these little easter eggs, even when I'm not sure what they are at first. Having to explain everything to the audience like they're five ruins the subtlety. I don't think they're going to explain Jason, they'll just show the suit and imply Bruce feels a lot of regret and that was the reason he retired. an audience can't figure out from a damaged suit and the joker's writing that a robin is dead, then they're pretty dumb.[/B{

I partially disagree. The Robin situation can be pretty confusing to the common fan if they don't understand the whole picture. If they try and capture the character of Robin instead of Tim, Jason, or Dick, then they should lightly explain it. I agree with you, though, if they say Jason is Robin and that's it, they don't need to explain it.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I think it's unfathomable because of the audience that WB/DC wants to reach/cannibalize from Marvel.

Well, this is part of the problem - assuming that the storytelling in these films is coming from that perspective. I don't think it is at all. I don't think Snyder and Terrio are sitting around coming up with stories for the express purpose of "cannibalizing Marvel's audience" at all. You don't have to cannibalize anyone's audience to get your own.

and myself, I don't think Jason Todd is even in play at all, and I'm unsure why everyone's convinced he should be. Aside from the fact he's a pretty convoluted, hard-to-explain part of Batman's history (that's only very recently been redeemed into any sort of interesting character), he's not even the first person people think of when they think Robin. Or even the second, really.

We're looking at a movie where Batman is being manipulated into picking a fight with Superman, and Lex Luthor is harvesting dead Kryptonian bodies and getting his hands on Kryptonite, making such a ruckus that Wonder Woman shows herself, and the trinity comes together to fight against him and his endeavors. It's going to lead directly into a Justice League two-parter. Trying to shift it sideways into a prequel to a remake of "Under the Red Hood" is just sorta weird, to me.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I think we're greatly overestimating the common audience member's knowledge that there's more than one Robin.

 

[More_Badass]

I agree with those that said the Joker's line in the Squad trailer

Spoiler

might have been the torture/murder of whoever Robin is.

That was my first thought when I heard it, would set up a solo Batman film fantastically.

Yes! That was my first thought as well, especially with the rumors

Spoiler

of flashbacks with Joker killing Jason

 

[Bracewell]

Well, this is part of the problem - assuming that the storytelling in these films is coming from that perspective. I don't think it is at all. I don't think Snyder and Terrio are sitting around coming up with stories for the express purpose of "cannibalizing Marvel's audience" at all. You don't have to cannibalize anyone's audience to get your own.

See, the problem there is that it's not up to Snyder or Terrio.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Don't want to read through 27 pages:

Am I the only one who thought it was really odd that, at the start when Superman lands at the government building, all the signs are facing the camera, meaning all the protesters are waving their signs the wrong way around?

EDIT: And then when it cuts to a close of Supes, all the signs are flipped around and there are more of them?

 

[Maninthemirror]

Devin Faracis website is so sour that the trailer is good they didn't even put any headline on it on their entire website

 

[Bobby Roberts]

See, the problem there is that it's not up to Snyder or Terrio.

Yes, it is. You don't really believe that the stories for this series are being handed down by the executives at Warner Brothers, do you?

They're not.

 

[NumberTwo]

Anyone know if the music in the trailer is from the original score or regular ol' outsourced trailer music?

 

[N7Commander95]

Devin Faracis website is so sour that the trailer is good they didn't even put any headline on it on their entire website

It's actually amazing, the article is their its just hidden. But the comment section his full of people who are pretty positive about it. Even fucking BirthMovieDeath can't fully hate on the trailer.

Him and Moviebob are trying to play it down on twitter, but its pretty dam good evidence of how good a trailer it actually was

 

[firelogic]

Anyone know if the music in the trailer is from the original score or regular ol' outsourced trailer music?

Sounded Junkie XL-like in my opinion. Loved it!

 

[neorej]

I think we're greatly overestimating the common audience member's knowledge that there's more than one Robin.

This. During Arkham knight, I had to explain to my gf how Dick Robin became Nightwing, Jason Todd filled his shoes as Robin, got killed, and was replaced by a third Robin, Tim Drake. At which point I had to pick up her jaw from the floor.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Don't want to read through 27 pages:

Am I the only one who thought it was really odd that, at the start when Superman lands at the government building, all the signs are facing the camera, meaning all the protesters are waving their signs the wrong way around?

EDIT: And then when it cuts to a close of Supes, all the signs are flipped around and there are more of them?

I guess they were really dedicated and made double sided signs

 

[Dead]

They need to ignore Jason Todd. 3 or 4 Robins is too much

Dick then Tim is all you need.

 

[Bracewell]

Trying to shift it sideways into a prequel to a remake of "Under the Red Hood" is just sorta weird, to me.

I don't think they're going to bring BvS to a screeching halt just to set the stage for the Batman solo film, but I think they're definitely going to start dropping hints.

Yes, it is. You don't really believe that the stories for this series are being handed down by the executives at Warner Brothers, do you?

They're not.

No, not the stories, but the boundaries. And it's the DC execs. The structure and tone of the DCCU has been set up in a very particular way, for the exact reason I specified above.

 

[Chezzymann]

The best thing about this batman is that his scenes are actually at night, which helps immensely with the atmosphere. One of my biggest complaints about the Nolan movies is that its day most of the time.

 

[Garlador]

Gary Oldman? He was Gordon in the Nolan trilogy. I think you mean Jeremy Irons.

Argh! Brain fart. You're right, and I apologize for calling Scar by the wrong name. He's one of my favorite actors and I just butchered that...

 

[Sibersk Esto]

They need to ignore Jason Todd. 3 or 4 Robins is too much

Dick then Tim is all you need.

Well i want both Dick and Tim to live. If a Robin has to die I would hope it would be Jason.

Oh god I swear if they condense the red hood storyline but replace jason with Dick and Red Hood with Nightwing I would just be fucking done.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

No, not the stories, but the boundaries. And it's the DC execs.

No it's not. The DC Execs don't have that much power on the WB side at all. And I don't blame WB for not giving it to them, either.

You seem to be operating from the stance that executives set the parameters and issue the general story ideas to the creatives, who then have to translate those ideas into actual movies, as a means to rob audience numbers from Marvel. That stance isn't very solid in reality, though. The DC executives don't have that much say so, the WB executives just want to be told there's a viable plan in place, and the creatives getting hired aren't being hired under a unified vision - they're being hired and then trying to mesh the stories they have in mind with what's already being done.

 

[Error]

Devin Faracis website is so sour that the trailer is good they didn't even put any headline on it on their entire website

They try so hard to downplay it, it's hilarious. "Trailer was good, bubububu laughs, jokes, too serious etc..."

 

[Bobby Roberts]

They try so hard to downplay it, it's hilarious. "Trailer was good, bubububu laughs, jokes, too serious etc..."

This article?

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/07...d-the-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-panel

The title is right there. "No Laughs Survived the Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice Panel"

 

[lamaroo]

I think we're greatly overestimating the common audience member's knowledge that there's more than one Robin.

I didn't know about them until a few years ago when I learned about Nightwing and decided to do a little research on my own.

Pretty much the only way to know is to read the actual comics.

 

[NumberTwo]

Sounded Junkie XL-like in my opinion. Loved it!

I had no idea he was involved. Cool!

 

[Penguin]

The note on the newspaper could also be more straight-forward

What if it was someone taunting Bruce for getting his employees killed?

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I don't even think it's a bit of sub-plot, honestly. It's just detail. Batman's been quits for about a decade? There's your physical evidence as to why. It's visual storytelling, not a mystery that he needs to solve, but a reminder as to what his lifestyle cost him. And you can communicate all of that non-verbally in that one shot. It's no more a sub-plot than there being a bat-cave for him to wander around in is a sub-plot.

in The World's Finest animated short film, Joker teams up with Lex Luthor and provides Lex with Kryptonite.

 

[Messypandas]

Wait is that Ben/Bale story the panel? Buhahah

 

[Magwik]

This article?

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/07...d-the-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-panel

The title is right there. "No Laughs Survived the Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice Panel"

Zack Snyder is determined to make us want to fuck absolutely every character.

Well, okay

 

[bob_arctor]

They try so hard to downplay it, it's hilarious. "Trailer was good, bubububu laughs, jokes, too serious etc..."

That "too serious, no jokes" angle is seriously bordering on psychosis for some people. Legit reasons to be apprehensive exist considering everything going on in the film (Cyborg!? Aquaman!!?) without devolving into self-parody.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

in The World's Finest animated short film, Joker teams up with Lex Luthor and provides Lex with Kryptonite.

Yeah, but I don't think that's viable for this movie, especially if Joker's in prison by the time Suicide Squad starts. I don't think Joker is free during Batman v. Superman.

It's just - this film has been described as an overstuffed clusterfuck for about three years straight, and now that a trailer is out that seems to sketch out a basic (already busy) plotline, people want to shove more shit into it.

 

[Maninthemirror]

This article?

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/07...d-the-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-panel

The title is right there. "No Laughs Survived the Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice Panel"

Read the article .... Then you will know

 

[Bracewell]

No it's not. The DC Execs don't have that much power on the WB side at all. And I don't blame WB for not giving it to them, either.

No, this is factually incorrect.

You seem to be operating from the stance that executives set the parameters and issue the general story ideas to the creatives, who then have to translate those ideas into actual movies, as a means to rob audience numbers from Marvel. That stance isn't very solid in reality, though. The DC executives don't have that much say so, the WB executives just want to be told there's a viable plan in place, and the creatives getting hired aren't being hired under a unified vision - they're being hired and then trying to mesh the stories they have in mind with what's already being done.

I didn't mean to come across that way, I don't believe the creatives are given marching orders, as you've already stated. But you severely underestimate how much say DC has regarding the on-screen portrayal of their characters and properties. The directors and writers most certainly don't have free reign. If they did, George Miller would have already directed a Justice League movie by now.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

No, this is factually incorrect.

No, it isn't.

The directors and writers most certainly don't have free reign. If they did, George Miller would have already directed a Justice League movie by now.

That has nothing to do with why George Miller's Justice League movie got shitcanned.

This is also pretty off-topic at this point. We're going into the behind-the-secenes stuff kinda deep here.

 

[Bracewell]

This is also pretty off-topic at this point. We're going into the behind-the-secenes stuff kinda deep here.

Fair point.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Yeah, but I don't think that's viable for this movie, especially if Joker's in prison by the time Suicide Squad starts. I don't think Joker is free during Batman v. Superman.

It's just - this film has been described as an overstuffed clusterfuck for about three years straight, and now that a trailer is out that seems to sketch out a basic (already busy) plotline, people want to shove more shit into it.

Sir Zack will pull it off, he did it with Man of Steel and he will once again achieve it with Bats V Sups, I have been waiting for a real motion picture adaptation of Sups Batsublic Enemies or Sups Bats: Apocalypse or Bats Sups: Worlds Finest or TDKReturns. So hyped for Dawn of Justice!

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Zack Snyder doesn't get to do whatever he wants with the DCverse. That should be clear to anybody with a modicum of common sense. I think he's getting to do everything he wants though.

 

[Dany]

I completely missed the TDKR reference in the trailer until I saw a gif of it:

Fucking glorios.

 

[WhiteWolf]

Watched it again this morning (4th time overall.) Fuck, I love everything about this trailer. I am so excited for this! This week has been amazing; I get hired for my first job followed by new trailers for both Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad.

One of the things I enjoyed about Watchmen was that it had really great scenes that were spliced in the movie that gave succinct backstories to Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach. That movie introduced many characters and fleshed out most of them pretty well. I think Snyder will succeed at this once again in this movie.

 

[F0rneus]

They need to ignore Jason Todd. 3 or 4 Robins is too much

Dick then Tim is all you need.

Nope. I think they are totally going to go for the Red Hood. And Jason Todd is by far, the best (actually only one worth a damn) Robin ever. Ok, I'd accept Carrie Kelley too. She's rad.

 

[clearacell]

What is wonder woman doing there tho? Kinda ruins it

With a title like "Dawn of Justice (League)" my assumption is that Wonder Woman is the go between of their two worlds and ideals. She is of this planet, but also super powered.

 

[Bleepey]

I completely missed the TDKR reference in the trailer until I saw a gif of it:

I knew this film would pay homage to it but i was hoping that I'd discover it in the film. Oh well trailers always fucking spoil.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

And Jason Todd is by far, the best (actually only one worth a damn) Robin ever.

Dude the reason he died in the first place was because people literally voted him to be murdered. They bayed for his blood. He was very poorly received.

 

[Magwik]

If Batman turns out to be as uforgiving as he is in the trailer, Aquaman is going to be one scary mother fucker

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Nope. I think they are totally going to go for the Red Hood. And Jason Todd is by far, the best (actually only one worth a damn) Robin ever.

Factually untrue.

 

[MartyStu]

Everyone's going this way, sure. The letter looks like something Joker would do (especially since it looks like the same thing on Robin's suit) But it also seems pretty clear that Luthor is manipulating a fight between Batman and Superman for whatever reasons. Maybe it's from the Joker, sure. But Luthor is the bad guy of this film still. And Superman fighting Batman is never a good thing. And he seems really happy about the prospect.

It is most likely the 'dead' Robin. And I am positive these will not be directly addressed in the movie itself.

 

[Red_Man]

I don't read comics, but does WW fly a jet in them? And could she be the one flying the Jet in the trailer? In this scene it looks like the remnants of a destroyed version of the jet behind her, probably wrecked by whoever she's fighting in that scene:

 

[Magwik]

Factually untrue.

Didn't know options were now facts

 

[SoilBreak]

Nope. I think they are totally going to go for the Red Hood. And Jason Todd is by far, the best (actually only one worth a damn) Robin ever. Ok, I'd accept Carrie Kelley too. She's rad.

Ehhhhhhhh

 

[Sibersk Esto]

If Batman turns out to be as uforgiving as he is in the trailer, Aquaman is going to be one scary mother fucker

Will Aquaman brand someone?

 

[lamaroo]

Nope. I think they are totally going to go for the Red Hood. And Jason Todd is by far, the best (actually only one worth a damn) Robin ever. Ok, I'd accept Carrie Kelley too. She's rad.

Dick then Jason Todd makes sense. I'm not sure Batman would allow another Robin after one gets murdered, but I haven't read any of the stories regarding the Robins, so I'm not sure how they handled it.

 

[F0rneus]

Dude the reason he died in the first place was because people literally voted him to be murdered. They bayed for his blood. He was very poorly received.

Factually untrue.

Keep in mind, I hate Robin in general. Hate the concept, hate Dick Grayson, hate the costumes, the...everything about Robin. It's why I loved Jason Todd. Very different.