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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Comic-Con Trailer
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Whoops, meant eccentric :3
Yeah...I really agree. Not sure how Batman's gonna be like in the Justice League after he's had a Robin die and been in retirement for X amount of years. And if they're really gonna do the Carrie Robin shit (or possibly it's Batgirl) it's like...why bother? If you want a Robin just do normal-aged Batman then? It's like Hollywood thinks only Frank Miller wrote Batman stories and no others exist. Variety won't kill you guys, really.
Honestly I just prefer Batman and Superman to be around the same age.
And for those wishing for Nightwing or Red Hood in the new films...just read Bobby's comments. It's too convoluted, you guys. ): Simplicity makes the most sense, especially with Wonder Woman and Aquaman and who knows who else running around all in the same movie. Maybe they'll decide later on to do Red Hood and retacon some stuff, using the dead Robin costume in this movie as a hook, but for now? I really doubt that's on anyone's mind on set. It's simply Robin
specifically, Dick,
The attention to detail is impressive, but why is Bruce so concerned with that one building?
Why is he running towards it?
Wayne tower man.
Because it belongs to his company.
Sibersk Esto
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Messypandas
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Miles Quaritch
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Let's not forget his satellite too.
And the range on that heat ray is insane. Like damn.
And the range on that heat ray is insane. Like damn.
Probably baked a couple of people looking on from the adjacent building.
Wayne enterprises has buildings all over the place.
Oh shit, his Finance HQ.
BossDarkseid
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Wayne Tower Metropolis.
In the DCCU Gotham and Metropolis are sister cities, so it makes sense for Wayne to have buildings in Metropolis (and elsewhere in the country because of how big the company is).
Lex Luthor is frequently depicted as having buildings in Gotham.
They just like shitting in each other's cereal.
Messypandas
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Notice how Zod blasts are more orange and Supes are more red.
The second one is the grapple dodge Batman does.
If you've ever played the Arkham games, then pretty much every corporate building somehow ties to a supervillain.
liliththepale
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Bruce is the kind of guy who's going to go try to find people who need help regardless. Whether Kal-El and Zod were fighting in his building or their lasers just knocked his sign off is irrelevant to me. Buildings can be replaced, but people (and esp. parents) cannot.
Fair enough. Personally, this new Luthor is more exciting and interesting than he's ever been. We've had a lot of the stodgy old man Luthor, so a new twist on the character appeals to me.
Fair enough. Personally, this new Luthor is more exciting and interesting than he's ever been. We've had a lot of the stodgy old man Luthor, so a new twist on the character appeals to me.
Shamrock7r
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Man of Steel is too serious
Man of Steel isn't serious enough
Man of Steel isn't enough like the Marvel movies
DC needs to stop following Marvel's formula
Man of Steel doesn't address the destruction caused by the battle
BvS doesn't count
I can't comprehend subtlety and cannot understand that Superman is young and was trying to save lives, take the fight away without it being beat over my head.
I also cannot fathom that time has passed from the last battle scene to the last Daily Planet scene.
I've never read a Superman comic
I didn't want to like that movie
I don't want to like this movie
Man of Steel isn't serious enough
Man of Steel isn't enough like the Marvel movies
DC needs to stop following Marvel's formula
Man of Steel doesn't address the destruction caused by the battle
BvS doesn't count
I can't comprehend subtlety and cannot understand that Superman is young and was trying to save lives, take the fight away without it being beat over my head.
I also cannot fathom that time has passed from the last battle scene to the last Daily Planet scene.
I've never read a Superman comic
I didn't want to like that movie
I don't want to like this movie
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It's the building closest to him geographically. He sees this happening right in front of him. What other building is collapsing in front of him?
esmith08734
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I really can't believe this film is even being made.
Big, big risk by Snyder. I've never wanted a movie to succeed more than this.
Big, big risk by Snyder. I've never wanted a movie to succeed more than this.
Miles Quaritch
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Hehehe.
I do love that we get to see the view from the other side. I would never have guessed the range on the heat ray was that insane. I thought the scene in the train station was pushing the limits of how far it could reach....I was so wrong.
Notice how Zod blasts are more orange and Supes are more red.
The second one is the grapple dodge Batman does.
If you've ever played the Arkham games, then pretty much every corporate building somehow ties to a supervillain.
Whoa, that's a damn good catch.
Also interesting is that the energy bubble WW creates from the deflected shot is also orange.
Hmm.
Shamrock7r
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Also when he is holding the girl he is next to a Wayne Enterprises sign
BossDarkseid
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Doomsday....
I think someone on the panel referenced Oakland/SF directly. IIRC
I don't think I have heard anyone say that.
Bluekaveli
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Spoiler alert
Bale comes in and unmasks the imposter Batman aka Ben and everything is alright again.
Then in the end you wonder why the movie was actually good and the credits reveal it Nolan. It was Nolan all along damnit.
Bale comes in and unmasks the imposter Batman aka Ben and everything is alright again.
Then in the end you wonder why the movie was actually good and the credits reveal it Nolan. It was Nolan all along damnit.
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Yep. It also says Wayne Financial.
That's not Wayne Tower, as people are suggesting. Wayne Tower is in Gotham. That's where 'dozens' died, some bat vilian was responsible.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah,this isn't the first time I've seen this mentioned.
Apparently it's Zod after some genetic work or some such and not the Doomsday we know from comics/animated movies.
BossDarkseid
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Yeah well
i doubt we'll get a doomsday from the phantom zone sorta thing but it'd be fine for a throwaway villain that's still super powerful used in one film etc
Shamrock7r
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Change it to "the ending wasn't serious enough"
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, I won't mind it so long as it's explained properly and doesn't come across as poorly developed or unearned.
Well I have definitely heard people say that the Luthor lines were too goofy/cheesy for this movie.
EroticSushi
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You mean you guys didn't like the 2 minute "Doomday" fight in Smallville?
Man that "fight" was so disappointing. I remember how pissed off everyone was when that aired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yqhp14hyyQ
BossDarkseid
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SS takes place before BvS tho, doesn't it?
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
"IT'S ME DC, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG"
edit: fuck, first post on new page, uh, write something insightful.
I didn't realise just how good Gal Gadot looks. Like, that's some god damn god-tier genetics there. I was iffy with her as Wonder Woman at first, but the brief shots in the trailer give me hope. Hopefully she nails it and Hollywood starts picking up the slack on female superheroes.
This is another her lazy misconception and generalisation. People are not complaining about the destruction (that's to be expected). Instead what they don't like is the fact how this Superman does not appear to give a damn about the civilians inside. We don't expect him to save every one or even escape from Zod to go find people, but at least he could appear to at least have some concern. Show how he wants to help people but can't as hard as he tries. This supermans first thought is to go kiss Lois Lane amongst the rubble instead of enquiring or trying to look for survivor's.
If I were to pick what version of Lex Luthor I want, it'd be the one from the comic Lex Luthor - Man of Steel. The Lex Luthor in Young Justice is a similar portrayal of that version of Lex Luthor.
For those who haven't read/seen either, the Lex Luthor in those comes off as a reasonable, friendly, idealistic and brilliant man. He's often kind, or if not that, then atleast considerate towards the others around him. And absolutely brilliant. The man plans and schemes like a motherrfucker, while putting on a friendly face, and you don't realize until afterwards how badly you've been had. A lot of people praise the Lex Luthor from the Justice League cartoon and I liked him well enough there too, but the problem I had with him is that his vileness was fairly apparent. He was someone who got off on himself, and his bitterness at Superman was plain on his face. The distinction I enjoyed with the Young Justice/MoS comic Lex is that while he was every bit of a monster, he veiled himself in a cloak of altruism and compassion that was so convincing that you had to look for the self interest and ego and sociopathy. And the reason it's so convincing is that Lex Luthor himself seems to believe it. It's not just an act, it's how he genuinely wants to be, but also schemes to accomplish goals he sees as moral.
Lex Luthor, in his best form, is a man who will make you listen when he tells you that Superman is evil. He's someone who has compelling and rational reasons for why Superman is a detriment to society and humanity. He's someone who you can come away liking, even if you disagree with him, because you think that even if he likes Supes less than he should, he's coming from a good place. You have to scrutinize to realize that he's someone who'd be willing to kill hundreds to get his way.
I'm not one to say that there is only one interpretation of a comics character that is valid and all others are crap. I hate it when someone tries to make out what Batman or Superman 'should be'. If there was only one story to tell with these characters, it'd have been told, and they would never be taken up again. But, for me personally, there is no other lex luthor that resonates anywhere nearly as strongly as the one in YJ and LL-MoS. A Lex Luthor whose vileness is open and apparent, especially when Superman is his usual kind and understanding self, comes off as....well, stupid. When you make the hero as idealistic as superman, and you set him up against someone who is blatantly a sociopath and just bitter at him for no real reason besides that it makes him feel insecure, that's pathetic, and not what I want to see in an arch villain. Lex Luthor as someone who is genuinely trying to be the best person he can be, and that just happens to be Superman's antithesis, is far more compelling to me and I've never seen an interpretation done better than that.
So with the trailer having him come across as.....well, a goofball almost. Like a Joker that doesn't have the excuse of his insanity. It's...really not what I was looking for out of Lex.
For those who haven't read/seen either, the Lex Luthor in those comes off as a reasonable, friendly, idealistic and brilliant man. He's often kind, or if not that, then atleast considerate towards the others around him. And absolutely brilliant. The man plans and schemes like a motherrfucker, while putting on a friendly face, and you don't realize until afterwards how badly you've been had. A lot of people praise the Lex Luthor from the Justice League cartoon and I liked him well enough there too, but the problem I had with him is that his vileness was fairly apparent. He was someone who got off on himself, and his bitterness at Superman was plain on his face. The distinction I enjoyed with the Young Justice/MoS comic Lex is that while he was every bit of a monster, he veiled himself in a cloak of altruism and compassion that was so convincing that you had to look for the self interest and ego and sociopathy. And the reason it's so convincing is that Lex Luthor himself seems to believe it. It's not just an act, it's how he genuinely wants to be, but also schemes to accomplish goals he sees as moral.
Lex Luthor, in his best form, is a man who will make you listen when he tells you that Superman is evil. He's someone who has compelling and rational reasons for why Superman is a detriment to society and humanity. He's someone who you can come away liking, even if you disagree with him, because you think that even if he likes Supes less than he should, he's coming from a good place. You have to scrutinize to realize that he's someone who'd be willing to kill hundreds to get his way.
I'm not one to say that there is only one interpretation of a comics character that is valid and all others are crap. I hate it when someone tries to make out what Batman or Superman 'should be'. If there was only one story to tell with these characters, it'd have been told, and they would never be taken up again. But, for me personally, there is no other lex luthor that resonates anywhere nearly as strongly as the one in YJ and LL-MoS. A Lex Luthor whose vileness is open and apparent, especially when Superman is his usual kind and understanding self, comes off as....well, stupid. When you make the hero as idealistic as superman, and you set him up against someone who is blatantly a sociopath and just bitter at him for no real reason besides that it makes him feel insecure, that's pathetic, and not what I want to see in an arch villain. Lex Luthor as someone who is genuinely trying to be the best person he can be, and that just happens to be Superman's antithesis, is far more compelling to me and I've never seen an interpretation done better than that.
So with the trailer having him come across as.....well, a goofball almost. Like a Joker that doesn't have the excuse of his insanity. It's...really not what I was looking for out of Lex.
brandonh83
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You make it sound like Superman is good enough to fight Zod while multitasking. He wasn't. Zod was his equivalent if not more powerful. I don't see him being able to juggle this. The primary concern was to stop Zod period so that he didn't you know destroy the planet.
If Superman didn't have his undivided attention on Zod who knows how that might have turned out. It's some nearby civilians, or the world. I liked the movie mostly because it finally gave Superman some pretty crazy odds. I mean that's just how I saw it, Zod wasn't fucking around and it took all of Superman's power and focus to win.
That's what I hear. But perhaps it could work as a flashback or something. It would be cool if it were a teaser for the actual Justice League movie.
bengraven
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Yep, but I don't think they're on the west coast. They are eastern cities, maybe mid-west.
Miles Quaritch
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You mean you guys didn't like the 2 minute "Doomday" fight in Smallville?
Man that "fight" was so disappointing. I remember how pissed off everyone was when that aired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yqhp14hyyQ
Oh God, I had successfully suppressed the memory.
Damn you for reminding me.
Fuck, I hated how they handled Doomsday in Smallville. I hated how they handled pretty much every villain apart from Zod.
Darksied as a fucking cloud? A FUCKING CLOUD.
EroticSushi
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I think that's where people throw the counter argument of him being "new" to the whole Superman business. It's why people are saying they don't see Superman in this trailer too because he doesn't act like him at all. In the first movie we got him blowing up the cities buildings and now the people don't even want him so there probably won't be that many scenes showing some of that classic Superman attributes. It looks like there will be some scenes though since in the trailer it looks like he saved a girl from a burning building?
Even in Superman Returns we got 3 minutes of him just going out of his way to save countless of people. He uses his heat vision on the debris that's about to fall on people, blows away the underground fire and then catches the Daily Planet globe.
I think we will see some of that in BvS though since they're playing with the whole savior idea of him being a god to some people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIMbqMmkZCI
BossDarkseid
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Well
the rumoured ending has the missing test pilot for Ferris Air turning up alive and well, Flash becoming active and a few other bits and pieces.
EroticSushi
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They took inspiration straight out of Fox's "How to Handle Popular Super Villians" handbook.
Miles Quaritch
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They took inspiration straight out of Fox's "How to Handle Popular Super Villians" handbook.
Man, you're on a roll with bringing suppressed memories back to the surface.
But what really bummed me out about this movie was that we didn't get the Silver Surfer spin off.
Bobby Roberts
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Snyder doesn't like 'em. Thinks if it's good enough to be part of the storytelling, it should be in the movie proper.
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