Argo didn't deserve an Academy Award, let's be honest. The only reason it did was because Ben Affleck directed the film and they felt they owned him something after "The Town" turned out to be good.
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Argo didn't deserve an Academy Award, let's be honest. The only reason it did was because Ben Affleck directed the film and they felt they owned him something after "The Town" turned out to be good.
There's nothing wrong with getting excited but the confidence people have in him based on a single movie doesn't make any sense to me.
Discotheque
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me neither but if affleck vouches for him i think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. and i think it's all but guaranteed he's an improvement over a lone goyer.
Ninja Scooter
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Because he did the thing he's doing here really well once before. Not sure why that's so hard to get. Granted it doesn't guarantee anything, but it's easy to see why people have confidence in this.
Shrennin
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His credentials with Argo pretty much make him one of the top talents for a comic book film so far, but everything regarding the actual script for BvS has been positive (whether it's been rumored or otherwise outright stated). The current rumor is that WB wants Chris Terrio to (re)write the Justice League films because they are so pleased with the BvS script. The problem with MoS really wasn't Snyder (in my opinion). It was the script.
That's not to say that I didn't like MoS, but it had a lot more potential than it was able to actually realize.
If that were the case, then it could have still won Best Picture rather than both Best Picture and Best Writing. Or Affleck could have gotten Best Director instead of the Best Writing win.
His Atlantean name is Orin.
Mighty Chin
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Argo did not deserve the acclaim or awards it recieved. Pure Oscar bait that tugged on the heart strings. Shit movie.
Terrio by not being named Goyer is already ahead in talent though.
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I like that this is pretty much everybody's motivation for excitement over Terrio's involvement. He's an Oscar-winning screenwriter.
Easy to forget the fact that Argo's script wasn't particularly great.
But yeah, he's not Goyer.
It's hard for me to get because I don't know any people outside of here who would say that a movie is virtually guaranteed to be good based on the writer having one really good movie. I'd understand cautiously optimistic but the whole "in Terrio we trust" stuff doesn't make much sense, as I said.
Pacing was a HUGE problem for Man of Steel in my opinion. I'm afraid there will be a ton of potentially great scenes in this, but they'll either be blown by in some bizarre montage or the placement will be weird. For example, I thought it was a really weird decision to keep showing Clark's dad in flashbacks after showing the tornado flashback, and I thought more time could've been spent on Clark's individual moments rather than flying by through them in the beginning of the movie. That stuff was the most interesting part.
Edit: May not be speaking coherently as I'm pretty tired.
Edit: May not be speaking coherently as I'm pretty tired.
Ninja Scooter
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Maybe some people thought it did deserve the acclaim, and thus are now excited he's a part of this. Again...what is so hard to get?
LegendofDragoonLives
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origin of batman, dead robin, aquaman & other cameo JL members, batman during MoS, and Superman on trial can easily be summed up in 30 minutes. Trial might be at the end of the movie where Superman basically goes and tells them I saved your asses again and I'm do me.
And better scenario on what happens at the end with Zod. That shoehorned crap didn't work for me at all. Those three aspects basically held it from being a great or even amazing movie. That's it, it's just that all strikes were pretty big blunders.
Goyer's script wasn't so bad, it just needed a few touch ups here and there with the dialogue, omission of the Tornado, and more fallout from Superman killing Zod.
Other than that, there's really nothing truly wrong with it. It's made to be worse than it really is, due to the insane amount of hyperbole regarding the film in general.
Other than that, there's really nothing truly wrong with it. It's made to be worse than it really is, due to the insane amount of hyperbole regarding the film in general.
They should all have goofy ass dreamworks/pixar smiles right?
Shrennin
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I certainly didn't say that the movie is guaranteed to be good, but I did say that the script is almost guaranteed to be good. It's definitely far more likely to be good than bad at this point when everything is taken into account.
There are a lot of factors other than the script that can make a movie good or bad. The script is just one thing.
I'm not sure if you were specifically referring to me, so if you weren't then disregard what I just said. =P
With that said, I mean look at where they are taking this -- Bruce being there during the events of Man of Steel and the fact that Zod's destruction of Wayne Tower is synced with Bruce witnessing its destruction in the sequel (when it's obvious that wasn't originally the intention) is already pretty exciting.
Mighty Chin
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Those people would be wrong. Not because I say so mind you but the Oscars are littered with undeserving winners every year. There is an inherent back room fuckery coupled with an abject disregard of voting without even watching the nominated films.
I wouldn't judge talent on a one off Oscar.
That being said. He's not Goyer. So I have hopes.
I was referring to you partially but I also kept mistakenly saying "movie" instead of "script". That's my fault.
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THose people wouldn't be "wrong" if they are of the opinion Terrio is a good screen writer based on Argo. If they are trumpeting the Oscar and only the Oscar then I get it, but I think people bring up the Oscar because they also, in turn, think Argo was a well written movie.
It never won Best Writing, it won Best Film, Best Director, and Best Editing. It was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay but lost to Silver Linings Playbook.
Shrennin
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I really liked Argo, and I thought the writing in particular was spectacular. It's one of the few Oscars I actually agreed with, funnily enough. I also realize though that no one is perfect and there can certainly be missteps. There just doesn't seem to be anything even implying that the script could be bad so far. Everything seems really positive, and the little of the story that we know of so far sounds really promising. The fight choreographer, Guillermo Grispo, for BvS (who also did Man of Steel and Kingsman) said that there is a really smartly written reason for Batman being able to take on Superman. Obviously he'll probably be biased, but with all of the story bits out so far, I'm inclined to think there is probably an interesting reason for it as well.
Mighty Chin
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If all things were equal then yes I would agree. I view the Oscars as I view FIFA. Corrupt and Incompetent.
CMojicaAce
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All this DC hype..
I think it's time to watch Batman (1989) for the first time ever! Didn't know it was on Netflix.
I think it's time to watch Batman (1989) for the first time ever! Didn't know it was on Netflix.
Shrennin
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Really? I thought it won Best Picture, Best Writing (Adapted Screenplay), and Best Achievement in Film Editing. I could be wrong, but I didn't think Affleck got the Best Director win.
Umm Argo was terrific. The hell am I reading here?
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Just about every time Ben talks BvS, he mentions Terrio writing a great script.
I loved Argo, I just (personally) wouldn't start expecting him to consistently write quality movies until he had more of a track record.
...I'm confused. Argo definitely won for Best Adapted Screenplay. And Affleck famously wasn't even nominated for Best Director, so obviously it didn't win that. We're talking Oscars, right?
Nah, the script was pretty dogshit.
- Too much time spent on Krypton (this is more subjective but it's like 15 minutes and that's too much time not on earth for a movie)
- Pa Kent the asshole
- Clark Kent the asshole (destroying that guy's truck and ruining his livelihood over a bar fight)
- Pa Kent vs. Tornado
- Lois Lane - night time glacier hiker
- Clark asking a random priest for insight into what to do about kryptonians rather than ask his kryptonian space-dad
- Lois Lane absolutely must come aboard the Kryptonian ship because reasons
- Kiss atop the ashes of metropolis
- Superman doesn't give a shit about civilians in the battlefield (it's still hard for me to believe some people think this is a good thing)
- Superman suddenly can't jump, must resort to neck snap
- "I just think he's hot"
The script had moments where it worked just fine with tons of dumb shit sprinkled everywhere. Thank God Goyer is gone.
Shrennin
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That's a fair point. It's not so much only Argo, but all the buzz regarding the BvS script itself as well though. We'll just have to wait and see when the movie comes out, but I think there's more of a reason to be excited than not (when the script is concerned).
Yeah, that's what I thought, too.
Fuck, I'm an idiot. I got confused with the British Academy Awards, you are correct.
Argo is a good film just not a great film and especially not "Best Film" of the year, IMO.
Same with Jesse Eisenberg. Hell, didn't the whole BvS Comic Con panel sing his praises?
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BadAss2961
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Eh... Most of that is either inaccurate or misguided, but i'm not going back to this again.
Goyer's script wasn't great but his characterization of Jonathan Kent is one of the best things he did. His philosophy is not only reinforced by the sequel but by the stupidly high amount of audiences who can't seem to understand what is shown on screen to them.
Nolan should have at the very least done a pass on the script if he was gonna stick his name on the movie. He's not a good writer but he at least would have had the good sense to remove stuff like the "he's hot" line.
Nolan should have at the very least done a pass on the script if he was gonna stick his name on the movie. He's not a good writer but he at least would have had the good sense to remove stuff like the "he's hot" line.
How is asshole, selfish, uncaring Pa Kent a good characterization of the character?
Maybe you could explain why D:
Well, firstly, none of those things describe the character in the movie.
Yeah, lets blame the audience when a shit writer creates a bad character.
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You really REALLY didn't pay attention did you?
Because there are some blatant things here that are explained if you had simply did so.
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I just watched the comic con panel. Is it just me or did Affleck look sad almost the entire time? I wonder if all his personal issues is weighing on him hard.
It's being a while since I watched the movie but I really don't remember him being an uncaring asshole. I mean, shit, he let himself get killed so no one would find out his son had powers.
Hey, Clark maybe you should have let a bus full of children die that way you didn't expose yourself. Clark, don't save me even though you easily could it'll expose yourself.
That's called being selfish. He cared only that Clark was safe and his secret kept.
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Well..at the very least that the movie more likely to have a great script than pretty much every other upcoming superhero movie.
He's selfish in that he cared about his son more than himself and strangers? I think most parents would be selfish, assholes and uncaring then.
I mean it's totally not like his son was an ALIEN FROM ANOTHER PLANET!
Humanity hates its own kind by SKIN COLOR, you think they'd take kindly to an alien who looks like them, but basically cannot be killed by any earthly means?
How the fuck is his position not reasonable? It's far more realistic than the comics' idealistic bullshit.
You do understand the difference between saying "you shoulda let those kids die" versus an uneasy answer of "maybe" from a parent raising an alien child who he realizes has amazing powers, and knows he could be destined for amazing things and is terrified of what could happen if he is discovered too soon, especially as a child.
Well I guess not. Dudes an asshole.
Except, Pa Kent is supposed to instill in Clark a sense of moral responsibility and good character. So his look out for numero uno and screw everyone else advice is like absolutely not good for a dude whose supposed to become Superman. Let me reiterate the dude suggested to Clark that it might have been okay to let a bus load of children die so that his secret could possibly remain safe.
Hmm, I can think of a thousand better responses that accomplishes the same goal other than "maybe" let all those kids die. How about: "Hey Clark, buddy, you have amazing gifts but people aren't ready for you to be discovered just yet. People are scared of things that are different. I know you want to help people and that's good and you should, but you have to be more careful. People aren't ready for what you represent just yet. I'm still proud of you though."
But I guess a "maybe" accompanied with overbearing fear tactics was the right approach.
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