Parallax Scroll
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Flux made one for Marvel: https://www.reddit.com/r/MvC3/comments/3cw8ax/notable_players_in_the_evo_bracket/
Fighting Games Weekly | July 13-19 | Stream Monster Yearly: Evolution 2015
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Flux made one for Marvel: https://www.reddit.com/r/MvC3/comments/3cw8ax/notable_players_in_the_evo_bracket/
Hell no.
I have never seen any indication that most people there play more than one game.
Makes sense. Even if you know you're just a pot monster you still want to give your best performance at the game you'll play.
Nothing wrong with a young man oogling curves. If anything it's healthy.
are people getting hit because of Flash exploit?
ShinMaruku
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I'm always hydrated. :E
Hm. Probably an excuse or something. The interviewer had already bought a pass for him and himself. I don't think money for a few days would be much of an issue.
Competitively maybe not, but I would guess most people who play fighting games still give most games in the genre a try when they come out.
ShinMaruku
Member
Or we can change it from Fighting Game Community to fighting game consortium. That would be more apt.
Immortal Technique
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CEOgaming.org as well
I'm assuming thats the case, maybe its just a coincidence but either way flash is vulnerable right now, its best to disable it.
Twitch wont, but you can use livestreamer.
ShinMaruku
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They'd probably give maybe 2. I doubt most 2d fighting game players would ever give 3d a shot. But surprisingly I see more 3d players trying 2d.
Holy Order Sol
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Nah, that shit is forced as fuck too. Gotta make it look massive and united because E-SPORTS
Thanks.
ShinMaruku
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Their unique structure probably does make them more like one community, but I liken them to sects.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
edit: nvm bad math
Osu 16 Bit
Member
I will watch Ultra all day on Friday, am super hyped and engaged in the storylines but I didn't enter it myself.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Most of the older members play everything. Only playing one game seems like a more recent phenomenon unless you play smash I guess. I think most people who grew up playing in arcades like everything.
My personal top five fighting games is a pretty diverse list:
- Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
- Marvel vs Capcom 3
- Soul Calibur 2
- Virtua Fighter 4
- Persona 4 Arena
I swear whenever I think of "FGC" I think of the people who just play Capcom games.
Like there's FGC aka the Capcom community, then the Tekken community (+ maybe other 3d fighters), SNK community, NRS community, anime community and finally the Smash community.
If anything I have seen that communities are divided based on developers (so there's Namco, Capcom, SNK, Sega, Nintendo and Arcsys communities).
In any case I don't see the big deal about having communities for individual games. It's not like other e-sports don't have it. The community for DOTA 2 is different than LoL which is different from Hearthstone which is different from HotS which is different from Starcraft 2 etc. There's no MOBA community or even FPS/RTS community.
Like there's FGC aka the Capcom community, then the Tekken community (+ maybe other 3d fighters), SNK community, NRS community, anime community and finally the Smash community.
If anything I have seen that communities are divided based on developers (so there's Namco, Capcom, SNK, Sega, Nintendo and Arcsys communities).
In any case I don't see the big deal about having communities for individual games. It's not like other e-sports don't have it. The community for DOTA 2 is different than LoL which is different from Hearthstone which is different from HotS which is different from Starcraft 2 etc. There's no MOBA community or even FPS/RTS community.
I don't have a link, but I remember hearing/reading recently that the # of crossover players at evo between Melee and Smash is only around 500. I don't know how accurate that it, but that was really a surprise since each game has nearly 2000 participants each. That means 3000 (single) vs 500 (both) , thats not a gap I would have expected especially for such a new game to the series and its first evo.
ShinMaruku
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I see the big deal in making them appear to be 1 community, it makes the most monitary sense and it brings the most attention. I most certainly see it having the most sense in e-sports where the lesser games hand on to the label when it's really just talking about LoL and DOTA2 everything else is insignificant.
In that way as a promoter I see why you'd want that narritive. That said evo and the big tourneys becoming more convention like will actually form more of a community since they bring outsiders and if they convert them they can change the whole structure.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I wouldn't take EVO bracket entrants as gospel anyways. Many players dabble in other series despite not competing in them. Daigo has an Xrd exhibition series deal going on right now but he's only entered into SF. Not everybody who shows up to locals is going to EVO. The FGC is greater than just the 6572 attendees of EVO.
Hell no.
I have never seen any indication that most people there play more than one game.
I believe Smash is skewing this very heavily. 3000 folks only playing 1 game will do that.
Then again the one person I know hitting Evo this year is only doing Xrd (and like every poverty side tourney)
Twitch needs to go HTML5 to finish Flash dead.
I mostly think individual games from watching streams when i think about it. Some overlap like the anime community playing lots of anime.Would be really awesome if the FGC played all the fighters and didn't stay within their own small pocket but the good thing is that i feel they atleast watch the other fighters. SF4 being the game i watched the most and played the least in my case.
"God's Beard!"
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But there's two smash games.
Karsticles
Member
Can you tell me what you mean by "smoother"? Like, give me a situation where you are putting inputs in, and how it feels different.I really like the Hayabusa stick. It feels so much smoother than a JLF.
I'd have it in my main stick if it could fit. It's a bit taller than a JLF and my stick box is already a tight fit so I can't get it in there.
Also that sentence sounds really odd out of context.
Gouken!
Sticky like they get stuck? How long did you use the Kuros? Some folks say they feel like Sanwas after breaking them in.
I own a TE1 and HRAP V3 SA. Is the wrist space comparable to either?
Thanks for this, very relevant.
It is a mystery to everyone.
I know you are busy, but what does "loose" mean here? Can you apply it to a specific input situation? Does the stick move too easily from its default position?
Can you tell me all about it? Trying to figure out what stick to get before SFV. About to send my other sticks in to Amazon as a trade in to afford it.
SolarKnight
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";171873128]But there's two smash games.[/QUOTE]
With only 500 players overlapping
With only 500 players overlapping
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";171873128]But there's two smash games.[/QUOTE]
two smash games, but most smashers only entering 1, and very few Smash folks play non-Smash games.
This is where my requirement for FGC-ness comes in. To me, a game is FGC if people who play it are generally willing to play other games outside of their genre.
GG fans are generally going to play something other than Arcsys games
People who play SF, not all, but enough of them will play the other FGC games.
Smash folks- play Smash, and FGC folks generally will not play Smash.
two smash games, but most smashers only entering 1, and very few Smash folks play non-Smash games.
This is where my requirement for FGC-ness comes in. To me, a game is FGC if people who play it are generally willing to play other games outside of their genre.
GG fans are generally going to play something other than Arcsys games
People who play SF, not all, but enough of them will play the other FGC games.
Smash folks- play Smash, and FGC folks generally will not play Smash.
notworksafe
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I guess it's hard to explain. It sorta just feels...looser in a way. But not like wobbly or like it's broken. It feels sorta...easier to move around.
I guess an example is that rekkas work for me without issue on it while on a JLF I'll still miss the 3rd one sometimes.
Regarding the Kuro buttons, they aren't "sticky" like they get stuck. They take a bit more pressure to activate than Sanwas though. I guess a way to put it is they are between Sanwa and Seimitsu with how much pressure you need to apply to activate.
Karsticles
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Most of the Smash OT has people that play a variety of fighting games. I don't think Evo numbers are a fair judge of what people play. Most people only enter their "main game". I am skilled at Marvel and Smash 4, and competent at SF and Xrd. If I went to Evo, I would probably only enter Smash 4 since it is what I spend the most time with these days.
Ah, so Sanwas = most sensitive, then Kuros, and Seimitsu are the least sensitive?
And loose = low stick resistance? I understand that. There is a UMvC3 machine at Galloping Ghost that is completely unplayable because the stick feels like it is submerged.
Thank you for clarifying.
I am the 1%.
DryEyeRelief
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Fighting games take a great deal of specialization to be decent in. There are only so many hours in the day.
For all those that continuously talk about how he's a threat in multiple games, Sonic Fox didn't even enter Persona or Xrd at Evo this year.
For all those that continuously talk about how he's a threat in multiple games, Sonic Fox didn't even enter Persona or Xrd at Evo this year.
It is a mystery to everyone.
Darn. Well thanks for the answer. There's not a lot of time left, so hopefully they have a plan.
I don't know how it is everywhere else, but locally this is only partially true. The overlap between "Smash" and "Other FGs" is pretty small... but the overlap between Melee/PM and Smash 4 is pretty small too.
Outside of smash there isn't much overlap either; SF players tend to stick to SF, MK players to MK, Marvel to Marvel, etc. There's a relatively small group of players who will at least dabble in a lot of games but even then it's mostly anime players willing to play anything with an airdash.
Every game draws in a certain clique and very few players will stick with a new game after the first 2-4 weeks here.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I deleted my earlier post cause I forgot about joint probabilities but since the topic came up anyways I think the numbers can still be useful.
EVO has 6572 entrants; out of those 2122 are only there for a single Smash game. 517 are there for only both.
This means that if Smash were to vanish off the face off the earth tomorrow EVO would have 3288 entrants, 2138+ of which only would have entered a single game. The + is due to the potential for there to be players who entered a Smash game + something else.
Sources:
https://mobile.twitter.com/OneFrameLink/status/618232389140119553
https://mobile.twitter.com/OneFrameLink/status/616627483320950784
EVO has 6572 entrants; out of those 2122 are only there for a single Smash game. 517 are there for only both.
This means that if Smash were to vanish off the face off the earth tomorrow EVO would have 3288 entrants, 2138+ of which only would have entered a single game. The + is due to the potential for there to be players who entered a Smash game + something else.
Sources:
https://mobile.twitter.com/OneFrameLink/status/618232389140119553
https://mobile.twitter.com/OneFrameLink/status/616627483320950784
ShinMaruku
Member
I think if more people did more than one game they'd probably be better as well. Look at some of Japan's top their play a few games. I think too much people never get that the extra connections formed in your brain by playing multiple games can help them. You got to structure your time. Most of the bitching about sf4 with dps and ultras would probably go down if those players played something else that never hid their badness.
If DOA made it in you'd see him in there. Sonic Fox has his tastes and he sticks to them. Also he'd have no chance in hell in Persona or Xrd Japan would body him, but if Injustice and DOA was in you'd see him in there.
theprodigy
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Just because a Smash player only enters one of Melee/Smash 4 doesn't mean they enter nothing else lol
There are roughly 2k Smash players playing only one game, not 3k.
JeTmAn81
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Pretty much. Even most of the hardcore FGC dudes still have to do day jobs or school as well so that's not even full-time practice.
I've always wanted one of these
And this is why I wouldn't actually make one...it's just inferior in every way other than aesthetics to a typical console setup with plugged-in sticks.
ShinMaruku
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fuckin' called it, man
Who exactly
I remember Hax saying he played marvel for something. Make him worse at fighting games or something idk
JeTmAn81
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I don't know how he could mean someone other than Mang0
Karsticles
Member
SF helps my Marvel play. Makes me more footsies oriented, less about diving in with safe stuff.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Art credits UNIEL for helping him become Young in SF4, too.
With so many different subcommunities at EVO it is as much a celebration of the diversity of fighting game players as well a competition to see who is the best. Everybody (in theory) put in many hours of effort to get where they are, no matter how many games they play.