Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Comic-Con Trailer

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I don't think it's a question of whether Warner has confidence in the product, I think it's a question of whether Warner has confidence in Snyder. But, more than anything, it just boils down to WB really needing this to be a megahit so they can finally get their own movie universe of the ground. It's pretty obvious they're trying to do in one film what Marvel did in five—for better or worse—in establishing and kickstarting that universe, so that means the stakes are very high for this film.

I mean, it literally says....

The Comic-Con trailer is impressively mounted and resoundingly loud, but what it doesn’t appear to be is confident in its own product. By showcasing so much of the action close to a year before the full feature opens in cinemas, the promo does a disservice to fans by simply giving too much away.
 
Plus it was a "Hollywood helped save the day!" story.

I can barely remember anything from Argo. Not even going to go into how misguided, in general, it is to judge someone's talent by Academy Awards.

Yeah, Hollywood likes praising movies about the industry. Argo is good, but it needed 15 more minutes to be great I think.

Django and Lincoln were stronger films that year. I hear life of Pi is good, still haven't seen it though.
 
I get that.. to a degree, I think it's silly

But that's not even what the Guardian article was arguing. Claiming that Warner has no confidence because showing footage from the film this far out.

It's a flawed thesis if you look at most major summer blockbusters of the past few years. A lot of them start their campaign at SDCC the year before.

yeah the guardian article is dumb
 
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It's good, isn't it ?
 
It's terrible writing to leave such heavy question answered by a single word that can be interpreted in different ways. Especially in the context of talking to a child, it makes no sense to be vague about that answer. I'm fine with a conflicted parent response but have Pa Kent say something more defined

To be fair, the very next scene is Jonathan then showing Clark the ship he came to Earth in, telling him his nature, and explaining to him how the person he decides to be is going to be the person that changes the world. So he does say something more defined (way more defined) it just doesn't happen while leaning on the truck.
 
I suppose with all the filming and promoting he's been doing. Especially with the marital issues. I just felt kind of bad for him. I've never seem him so depressed looking outside of a movie.

Yet, he was actually the most well spoken and funny of the bunch.
Henry took the easy way out..."I'm playing a God, so I will skip this question". >_> It's probably the first time I've seen Cavill be so not into being supes.
 
To be fair, the very next scene is Jonathan then showing Clark the ship he came to Earth in, telling him his nature, and explaining to him how the person he decides to be is going to be the person that changes the world. So he does say something more defined (way more defined) it just doesn't happen while leaning on the truck.

What most rubs me the wrong way about Pa Kent (aside from Pa vs. Tornado) is how ambiguous all his fatherly advice is. He keeps saying, good or bad, he'll change the world, but that not only seems irresponsible as the caretaker of someone destined for such importance, it's poor parenting. It's one thing to echo Ben Parker from the first Spider-man and say he's developing into the person he'll be forever and to make sure he turns into the person he wants to be (a good person). Pa Kent seems to display such abject fear of Clark, he's not even confident enough to tell him to be a good person. Stand for what's right, use your abilities responsibly, overcome your fear of yourself before challenging the world to accept you - these are things typically taught to Clark Kent by his adopted parents. It's vaguely brushed on by Pa Kent when he commends Clark for not fighting back against that bully but he doesn't go nearly far enough. I have a hard time coming to a conclusion other than that Jonathan Kent wanted Clark to fear himself first and foremost, which is why Clark wanders aimlessly following his death and strictly saves people when absolutely necessary before vanishing.

IIRC, you were the one who said they'd have preferred if Pa Kent went the whole 9 yards and was even more of a fear mongering asshole and negative influence on Clark. I'd have been disappointed as a fan but probably more willing to accept that interpretation if that were the case.
 
Pa Kent seems to display such abject fear of Clark, he's not even confident enough to tell him to be a good person.

I don't think Jonathan ever exhibits a fear of Clark, though. I don't think that comes across. What he's scared of are other people, who wont recognize what a gift he is. Or will recognize it, and consider it a threat anyway. Jonathan's basically describing Lex Luthor, really. He's telling his kid to be a good person, but don't be so idealistic that you leave yourself open to being taken advantage of (or hurt) by those sorts of people.

IIRC, you were the one who said they'd have preferred if Pa Kent went the whole 9 yards and was even more of a fear mongering asshole and negative influence on Clark. I'd have been disappointed as a fan but probably more willing to accept that interpretation if that were the case.

Yeah, I think the problem with Jonathan isn't that he's super-suspicious and wary of people misunderstanding his son. It's that he never comes down hard on that point until he sacrifices himself, and even that's done beatifically. So you've got him spouting leathery, Yoda-like wisdom about being cautious and thinking about what you do before you do it, but he's never emoting past that point. Hell, even Yoda got angry/disappointed. Jonathan basically just slowly nods and gazes at everything.

If he'd been more of a tough-love asshole who was hard on Clark, but hard on him for the right reasons, then when actual sadness/love/sacrifice comes through, it'd mean a little bit more because the hard man's facade is breaking in response to his son learning the lessons he needs to learn.
 
I don't think Jonathan ever exhibits a fear of Clark, though. I don't think that comes across. What he's scared of are other people, who wont recognize what a gift he is. Or will recognize it, and consider it a threat anyway. Jonathan's basically describing Lex Luthor, really. He's telling his kid to be a good person, but don't be so idealistic that you leave yourself open to being taken advantage of (or hurt) by those sorts of people.

When I say fear of Clark, I mean fear of what he represents like you're saying.
 
So, don't get me wrong, I'm EXTREMELY hyped for this, I'm about even with this and Civil War right now. But, this movie has:

Superman on trial
Batman vs. Superman
Batman during MoS
Origin of Batman
Lex Luthor turning evil
Wonderwoman
Aquaman
Desert Batman fighting Superman ISIS
Clark Kent writing about Batman
Clark and Lois
Dead Robin
An impracticably tiny batmobile cockpit
And more, probably

Like, how???

Actually, typing all that out, I think I'm more hyped than I was. Desert Batman ftw
The way this started was not the way I expected it to end. I honestly rhought you'd worry DC were spinning way too many plates.
 
The biggest issue I have with these responses to the trailer is that it may lead to less awesome trailers in the future. We as fans were BEGGING to see a trailer like this. If this leads to Snyder changing his trailer style I will be furious.

I hope it doesn't. Hell, the style made that abominable piece of shit Sucker Punch look like it was made of pure gold.
 
The way this started was not the way I expected it to end. I honestly rhought you'd worry DC were spinning way too many plates.

The way people write out that list sometimes makes it seem like each bullet point is a major focus, where in reality some of those will take maybe 2 minutes.

I hope it doesn't. Hell, the style made that abominable piece of shit Sucker Punch look like it was made of pure gold.

The trailers were so good I think it made me like the movie.
 
So, don't get me wrong, I'm EXTREMELY hyped for this, I'm about even with this and Civil War right now. But, this movie has:

Superman on trial
Batman vs. Superman
Batman during MoS
Origin of Batman
Lex Luthor turning evil
Wonderwoman
Aquaman
Desert Batman fighting Superman ISIS
Clark Kent writing about Batman
Clark and Lois
Dead Robin
An impracticably tiny batmobile cockpit
And more, probably

Like, how???

Actually, typing all that out, I think I'm more hyped than I was. Desert Batman ftw

From what I gather from teasers/trailers it all seems like it has a flow, just don't expect most of those to have any more than a couple minutes. The movie is going to move fast.

For instance the trial will probably be like IronMan2 and only kick off the movie and then move on, maybe circling back near the end. Batman during MoS will probably just be a quick flashback during the trial. Origin of Batman another hit and run plot detail. Dead Robin probably just a background detail during a main-plot scene. Expect Lex to show up only fleetingly toward the beginning of the movie, maybe showing up in more meaty scenes toward the end. Wonderwoman will probably be glossed over, her direct involvement in current events taking precedence over expanding her backstory.

But that's just me guessing.
 
I suppose with all the filming and promoting he's been doing. Especially with the marital issues. I just felt kind of bad for him. I've never seem him so depressed looking outside of a movie.

At the very least Affleck had a better time than Eisenberg did.

Eisenberg, who plays Lex Luthor in the upcoming "Batman v. Superman, " was at the massive San Diego convention last week with co-stars Ben Affleck and Henry Cavil. In an interview Monday, he was decidedly negative about the experience.

"It is like being screamed at by thousands of people. I don't know what the experience is throughout history, probably some kind of genocide. I can't think of anything that's equivalent," he said.
 
And I think the Guardian piece has a point. Because MPAA only lets you have like 4 trailers a year that are longer than 2:30, it usually reveals a lot about which movies studios are working extra hard to sell to audiences—I remember Avatar getting a pretty tepid reaction to the 2 minute teaser, which led to Fox pulling out all the stops with a 3 minute mega trailer that basically spoiled the entire movie (but also did a way better job of selling the product.) It's not really a bad thing or a good thing.

Having said that, 2:30 is already too long for most trailers... 3:30 is usually overkill.
Well I would argue showing the entire plot is a terrible thing for a movie trailer. Most trailers do it these days, but I don't see this movie as the case. We all knew Bats and Sups would fight, then become allies and fight vs Lex. We knew Wonderwoman was in the movie. Now we know that there are consequences to the first movie, and Batman is a lot older than originally thought of meaning a lot of history has already happened.
 
Jesse just seems like an awkward guy, which is perfectly fine.

But yeah, he doesn't seem like someone who does well in large crowds. He looks most awkward/uncomfortable in all the group pics as well.

He has OCD. Hes talked about struggling to walk in rooms if hasn't familiar with the texture of the floors. I'm sure comic-con was a nightmare for him.

Eisenberg is fucking with people in those two quotes. He's got an extremely dry sense of humor.

And this.
 
The teaser told us nothing!

The trailer told us everything!

What is it with bloggers and DC?

Realizing I'm opening myself up to some condescending finger-wagging about "DC conspiracy" or whatever, but sometimes it feels like people are trying their damnedest not to like anything about this movie. Not saying is required to like the trailer - I understand different opinions and all - but the amount of cynicism that surrounds every bit of news is kind of astounding and kind of tiring at this point.

I think eventually, folk are just going to have to be real and accept they don't want what WB is selling.
 

While first-off.... yeesh. Though he has always come off as having some kind of social anxiety or something which I can imagine made Comic-Con incredibly difficult to deal with.

Let's not ignore how fucking weird his next quote is about his next project which has him playing real-life journalist David Lipsky.

"Yes I have never been on the other side, on your side of journalism. I have normally been the victim so I worked with the guy who I play, I play a real person, David Lipsky," he said. "I interviewed him. He taught me how to interview and what his process is like and now I understand the pariahs that you guys are."
 
Yet, he was actually the most well spoken and funny of the bunch.
Henry took the easy way out..."I'm playing a God, so I will skip this question". >_> It's probably the first time I've seen Cavill be so not into being supes.

Yeah, when he actually spoke he was pretty great. But as soon as he stopped, he looked depressed again. I was thinking "Someone needs to give Ben a hug." Him and Gal were the only real bright spots of that panel. Even Zack didn't seem like he wanted to be there.
 
Realizing I'm opening myself up to some condescending finger-wagging about "DC conspiracy" or whatever, but sometimes it feels like people are trying their damnedest not to like anything about this movie. Not saying is required to like the trailer - I understand different opinions and all - but the amount of cynicism that surrounds every bit of news is kind of astounding and kind of tiring at this point.

I think eventually, folk are just going to have to be real and accept they don't want what WB is selling.

I don't think bloggers are inherently rallying against WB/DC but they know which opinion will get more clicks.
 
I don't think bloggers are inherently rallying against WB/DC but they know which opinion will get more clicks.

I don't think it's so much rallying against as it's just at this point, people know where they stand on what WB/DC are doing and should say "I'm not really interested." Though yes, in the case of bloggers who have to comment, they know these sorts of articles get the clicks.
 
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It's good, isn't it ?

BVS is going to shred the box office. I think it has a good chance to be the highest grossing film of the year.
 
Realizing I'm opening myself up to some condescending finger-wagging about "DC conspiracy" or whatever, but sometimes it feels like people are trying their damnedest not to like anything about this movie. Not saying is required to like the trailer - I understand different opinions and all - but the amount of cynicism that surrounds every bit of news is kind of astounding and kind of tiring at this point.

I think eventually, folk are just going to have to be real and accept they don't want what WB is selling.

I'll be a friend, and save Father_Brain the trouble....

Persecution complex.

There is no army of people "out to get" BvS just because. There is obviously a lot of negativity regarding it - some of it admittedly stupid and poorly argued, but that's true of anything on the Internet - which is primarily because WB has only released one polarizing and divisive film in this universe; if Marvel had only released one similarly polarizing and divisive film in the MCU to date, they'd be encountering a similar response from the Interwebs.

Benefit of the doubt has to be earned. It's that simple. If BvS and/or SS win over a certain percentage of the people who were down on MoS - or possibly even if WB's big SDCC panel is really that impressive - you'll see sentiment towards the DCCU change significantly.
 
BVS is going to shred the box office. I think it has a good chance to be the highest grossing film of the year.

There's a Cap movie and also a Star Wars movie. Word of mouth would have to be great for this to make it the highest of the year. I'd believe highest opening weekend of next year though.
 
next year looks pretty weak as far as blockbusters go, but I would be shocked if this was the top grossing film of the year—domestic or worldwide. Civil War is the prohibitive favorite and Rogue One is a dark horse. if Episode 7 is good and/or a mega-hit (like Avengers-sized), I can see that momentum carrying over for Rogue One in a way that BvS won't necessarily have.
 
Are there any spoilers out there how this ACT1-2 conflict between Superman and Batman will play out, before they are inevitably united against Mark Zuckerberg?

It feels a bit weird that an alien god sworn to help mankind would get invited to a Senate hearing cause he destroyed a couple of buildings - and then would shrug like nothing happened, making Brucey angry?
Or is it because one of those buildings was owned by Wayne Enterprises and a little girl lost their parents?
Feels like both characters need to be played pretty low on the intellectual ladder if they would cling to the rung of rage? Is the whole movie them raging in gritty environments and changing to new brooding keyposes in Snyder-motion?
 
There's a Cap movie and also a Star Wars movie. Word of mouth would have to be great for this to make it the highest of the year. I'd believe highest opening weekend of next year though.

I dont think Cap movie will come close to BvS. Batman and Superman in one movie is far too big of a draw while everyone has seen captain america and iron man in a single movie plenty of times. Star Wars could possibly overtake it though. I completely forgot Rogue one is coming in 2016.
 
I dont think Cap movie will come close to BvS. Batman and Superman in one movie is far too big of a draw while everyone has seen captain america and iron man in a single movie plenty of times. Star Wars could possibly overtake it though. I completely forgot Rogue one is coming in 2016.

I don't have too much knowledge about Marvel comics, but isn't Spider-Man in this ?
 
I dont think Cap movie will come close to BvS. Batman and Superman in one movie is far too big of a draw while everyone has seen captain america and iron man in a single movie plenty of times. Star Wars could possibly overtake it though. Forgot Rogue one is coming in 2016.

At this point, Civil War is basically an Avengers movie. And even if it wasn't, Iron Man 3 did a billion dollars in its sleep. Even with a little franchise fatigue, plaster RDJ all over the marketing and there's almost no way it's not a massive hit.
 
At this point, Civil War is basically an Avengers movie. And even if it wasn't, Iron Man 3 did a billion dollars in its sleep. Even with a little franchise fatigue, plaster RDJ all over the marketing and there's almost no way it's not a massive hit.

Oh it will be massive for sure. I just dont think it will beat out BvS. I could be wrong though.

I don't have too much knowledge about Marvel comics, but isn't Spider-Man in this ?

He is but most likely a cameo.
 
I don't have too much knowledge about Marvel comics, but isn't Spider-Man in this ?

I'm not sure, so I know the public doesn't think so.

That could change obviously but as I'm aware if he is in it it'll be more of an extended cameo than a role, given the casting of Spider-Man and the filming of the film, and Black Panther being introduced in Civil War.

I'm sure BvS will do better business than it, regardless.
 
Are there any spoilers out there how this ACT1-2 conflict between Superman and Batman will play out, before they are inevitably united against Mark Zuckerberg?

It feels a bit weird that an alien god sworn to help mankind would get invited to a Senate hearing cause he destroyed a couple of buildings - and then would shrug like nothing happened, making Brucey angry?
Or is it because one of those buildings was owned by Wayne Enterprises and a little girl lost their parents?
Feels like both characters need to be played pretty low on the intellectual ladder if they would cling to the rung of rage? Is the whole movie them raging in gritty environments and changing to new brooding keyposes in Synder-motion?
Bruce doesn't know the full story, nor Superman. He doesn't know how he thinks nor what kind of person he is. He just saw two super aliens obliterate a town with ease just because they were fighting one another. Bruce also seems to be in a shitty mood nowadays since he quit being Batman. There might be a Superman team that might be doing bad things in his name. Lex might manipulate a few things as well from the shadows to sell the idea.

Robin is possibly dead, he also tells Alfred "How many people are good in Gotham the last 20 years, how many people stayed that way?" Which once again we get back to not knowing Superman. He might look ok but what if he changes like Two Face/Harvey or someone else he mentions? Add to that that someone he knows might have died in the Wayne building, and you have more than reasonable enough information to sell the idea that he wants to crush him.

Game4life said:
He is but most likely a cameo.
Doubtful. Spidey plays a massive role in the Civil War arc. This is why Marvel probably pushed so much to get the IP from Sony.
 
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