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Someone come over and calibrate this for me. I never realized how clueless I was with tv's Jesus

Using other peoples calibrated settings is not a calibration.

Its just using other peoples settings. If you are going to spend the money on a OLED why not spend that little extra and get the most out of it and get it calibrated.

If you are in the San Diego or LA area I would calibrate it for you, I have multiple meters, software, and various patterns. Currently using lightspace a lot right now.
 
I got the ZT60 since I was looking for bigger tv and it was the only thing on the market back in 2013 that I gave recognition to as a follow up to my Kuro, and it's an absolute worthy upgrade, the black levels are indeed insane on that thing and it's an extremely beautiful tv.

I got both the Kuro Elite 9G 50 inch and the Panasonic ZT60 65 inch (their highest and last line of plasmas from Panasonic which I guess is a similar situation with the 9G Kuros) and I would cry if one of them goes out on me.

What's the deal with when I bought these tvs they would announce they would stop making them months later?!

Watch, I finally get an OLED tv, and then LG announces they are bowing out.

This is my problem. I was in Best Buy today looking and came away disappointed.

LEDs have surpassed Plasma's awhile ago. Only good thing about plasmas is they were cheap.

At the high-end? Not really. The last Pannys basically ran the table.
I like the latest Samsung, but hate the curves--the flat version is better, but not big enough.
 
Using other peoples calibrated settings is not a calibration.

Its just using other peoples settings. If you are going to spend the money on a OLED why not spend that little extra and get the most out of it and get it calibrated.

If you are in the San Diego or LA area I would calibrate it for you, I have multiple meters, software, and various patterns. Currently using lightspace a lot right now.

I live in ny and I'm moving to the first floor of my house In a month. I understand other people's settings aren't the best for me but I honk anything besides stock would be better. I can't find some of the settings on this TV. It looks gorgouse though. One issue I have is that everything is connected to my receiver so when I put my tv as PC and game mode the ps4 has to be connected to my tv directly right?
 
I have an x850a, and things work great. Display lag isn't really noticeable, but I don't play music games. No issues with Guilty Gear or Skullgirls, though.

Picture quality is fantastic. There are two game modes, so use Game: Original, if you want to turn off all image processing.

Everything looks fine.

I have the x850c and I'll second these experiences on the new TV, so far it's an excellent TV, picture quality is fantastic on 4K stuff as well as upscaling blu-rays and games. I've had the same experience as him regarding lag as well, haven't noticed it while playing any fast action games, but admittedly I also only casually play games like Guilty Gear.

There's now one game mode. And I'm not sure if it's different than before but there are two Cinema modes.

What is the consensus on the sony x850c / x85c

It is not as crazy expensive as the 930, and looks like a nice 4k sony set. Input lag also seems similar to 930 (34 ms).

That's why I went with it as well.

I was looking at both the x850b since it got plenty of praise and the new x850c and went with it for the new, better video processing chip and android potential since the new version was coming out just as I was ready to buy.
 
I live in ny and I'm moving to the first floor of my house In a month. I understand other people's settings aren't the best for me but I honk anything besides stock would be better. I can't find some of the settings on this TV. It looks gorgouse though. One issue I have is that everything is connected to my receiver so when I put my tv as PC and game mode the ps4 has to be connected to my tv directly right?

You could also setup your receiver as a PC.

Using other peoples calibrated settings is not a calibration.

Its just using other peoples settings. If you are going to spend the money on a OLED why not spend that little extra and get the most out of it and get it calibrated.

If you are in the San Diego or LA area I would calibrate it for you, I have multiple meters, software, and various patterns. Currently using lightspace a lot right now.

While this is absolutely true, using other peoples settings often sets a great baseline for further tweaking.
 
I bought a Sony 1080p 46 inch for 1500 dollars back in 2009. Would a 2015 model make that much of a picture difference while gaming? I'm sure I could get a bigger screen for the same overall dimensions.

I have just switched from a Sony KDL-46EX500 (bought in 2010) to a Sony 55W805B this week (got it for 799€ from amazon.de).

The difference is much bigger than I expected, especially when it comes to gaming!

Arkham Knight is like a whole new experience compared to my old TV. The 55W805B just feels soooo right for the PS4!
 
That's why I went with it as well.

I was looking at both the x850b since it got plenty of praise and the new x850c and went with it for the new, better video processing chip and android potential since the new version was coming out just as I was ready to buy.

Thanks!

I an conflicted between the x85c and the samsung ju7100. The thing is I have seen samsung tvs look better than the sonys in cinema mode but take a huge hit in color/contrast in game mode.

The x85c also seems a little pricey compared to the samsung. But from what I saw in the store it seems very very good at upscaling 1080p than the samsung.
 
Thanks!

I an conflicted between the x85c and the samsung ju7100. The thing is I have seen samsung tvs look better than the sonys in cinema mode but take a huge hit in color/contrast in game mode.

The x85c also seems a little pricey compared to the samsung. But from what I saw in the store it seems very very good at upscaling 1080p than the samsung.

I'm having the same dilemma...

I wanted to get sony w805c, but the picture looks way too soft for my taste in game mode with everything off.
 
Why buy a 55" 4K? You're going to be upscaling for the majority of the TVs life. Maybe if you were buying a 65-78" TV then ok, the extra resolution would help. But save your money and buy a 1080p TV. Especially while you can still get them. Next TV get a 4k.

I'm having the same dilemma...

I wanted to get sony w805c, but the picture looks way too soft for my taste in game mode with everything off.

Try upping the sharpness to like 55? You can also turn on detail edge enhancer.
 
I have just switched from a Sony KDL-46EX500 (bought in 2010) to a Sony 55W805B this week (got it for 799€ from amazon.de).

The difference is much bigger than I expected, especially when it comes to gaming!

Arkham Knight is like a whole new experience compared to my old TV. The 55W805B just feels soooo right for the PS4!

Is that a 1080p tv you switched to?
 
I live in ny and I'm moving to the first floor of my house In a month. I understand other people's settings aren't the best for me but I honk anything besides stock would be better. I can't find some of the settings on this TV. It looks gorgouse though. One issue I have is that everything is connected to my receiver so when I put my tv as PC and game mode the ps4 has to be connected to my tv directly right?

Generally no. You can have it run through your receiver and it shouldn't matter. Assuming you have video processing off on your avr. With my displays game mode is not a picture setting like professional, custom, thx etc. Its a setting within each and when a game is started it sees the flag and turns it on automatically.

Every display is different though. I know some have an actual picture mode that is the game mode.

While this is absolutely true, using other peoples settings often sets a great baseline for further tweaking.

Yeah it does give you a baseline and can get you close. The thing is that people say they used these settings from X person and X site and then they refer to their display as calibrated. It's not though. A display can differ as much as 20% in regards to settings and performance. Each display is different. A calibration is based off using actual test equipment to try to have your display reach the performance of an actual studio monitor used for mastering video content. Trying to meet specific standards.

Just using someone elses settings is just a guess and trying to get it close but without actual data to show where it is currently at.

I mean saying tweaked, adjusted, set up. Sure. Calibrated, no.

I guess for me it's more people just throwing the word calibrated around. It devalues what it actually entails
 
Why buy a 55" 4K? You're going to be upscaling for the majority of the TVs life. Maybe if you were buying a 65-78" TV then ok, the extra resolution would help. But save your money and buy a 1080p TV. Especially while you can still get them. Next TV get a 4k.



Try upping the sharpness to like 55? You can also turn on detail edge enhancer.

I know, but picture looks overprocessed then. I'm looking for that perfectly clear 1:1 1080p, just like on a monitor.
 
Yeah it does give you a baseline and can get you close. The thing is that people say they used these settings from X person and X site and then they refer to their display as calibrated. It's not though. A display can differ as much as 20% in regards to settings and performance. Each display is different. A calibration is based off using actual test equipment to try to have your display reach the performance of an actual studio monitor used for mastering video content. Trying to meet specific standards.

Just using someone elses settings is just a guess and trying to get it close but without actual data to show where it is currently at.

I mean saying tweaked, adjusted, set up. Sure. Calibrated, no.

I guess for me it's more people just throwing the word calibrated around. It devalues what it actually entails

There's even variance in true ISF calibration. When both my Sonys where done, I put them side by side and there was a slight difference. It's definately a science but there still a bit of art involved. I would never use another calibration gama or color settings.
 
There's even variance in true ISF calibration. When both my Sonys where done, I put them side by side and there was a slight difference. It's definately a science but there still a bit of art involved. I would never use another calibration gama or color settings.

Exactly. Even with the same model, a calibration done with the same equipment by the same person. the settings will vary. They will look similar but one display may drive red or blue higher then the other. So when you adjust it it will have an impact on the low or high end so it changes everything.

Then when you look at certain models like Sony where you don't have a CMS your primaries and secondaries are where they are. So even the same model between two different displays will track them at different points.

I guess for me thats where I have this view on people just throwing the word calibrated around when they just used other users posted settings.

There are so many methods and techniques. Last one I did I did 5 different methods checking native color spaces, rec709, blue green led profiles, etc. used different meters, chromapure, calman 5 ent, lightspace, various pattern sizes, apl non apl windows, patterns from videoforge, lightspace, etc. to maximize the picture and fix various things I found.

Not to say I haven't shared my settings but I let them know each time this doesn't replace a real calibration.
 
Exactly. Even with the same model, a calibration done with the same equipment by the same person. the settings will vary. They will look similar but one display may drive red or blue higher then the other. So when you adjust it it will have an impact on the low or high end so it changes everything.

Then when you look at certain models like Sony where you don't have a CMS your primaries and secondaries are where they are. So even the same model between two different displays will track them at different points.

I guess for me thats where I have this view on people just throwing the word calibrated around when they just used other users posted settings.

There are so many methods and techniques. Last one I did I did 5 different methods checking native color spaces, rec709, blue green led profiles, etc. used different meters, chromapure, calman 5 ent, lightspace, various pattern sizes, apl non apl windows, patterns from videoforge, lightspace, etc. to maximize the picture and fix various things I found.

Not to say I haven't shared my settings but I let them know each time this doesn't replace a real calibration.

Yea, haha. I remember being a dork and getting my Plasma to input D-Nice's settings and thought I had a professional calibrated TV. Spent like 3 years looking at that TV, another two years of using someone else settings on my LG. By that time I thought I had a good grasp of what ISF calibration and D6500 standard, was using Disney WOW disc and the Blueray HDTV essentials disc. $300 for a calibration was always not in the cards, but now I have a hookup. After my first calibration I was like WOW, Ok that's what correct calibration looks like.
 
Anybody have a Vizio M50-C1?
I was looking into buying this one. How is the image quality on games (PS4 in particular)? How is the refresh rate? How does it "feel" when playing an watching movies? Any major problems?
 
Is the Sony XBR43X830C (43" 4k) worth it? I know if I go 1080p then I'm looking at ~400 vs $800 for the Sony. Really the limiting factor for me is wall space. I've got 38 inches of width to work with and I saw the Sony would just barely fit in that space
 
After spending more time checking it out, I've decided I'm going to be buying a Samsung 65JS9500 next month as my new set.

Sony lost me by making FALD exclusive to the 75" size X940C (which looks incredible), leaving the 65X930 edge lit and I don't trust the X950B to be fully updated to HDR standards, and in comparisons I found both the X940C and JS9500 to produce better PQ than it. The JS9500 seems to do an amazing job of balancing bright picture along with incredibly deep blacks, and the color is off the charts. And the whole OCB concept is not a joke, judging by posts on AVS by members using the 2015 box to 2014 models, so the whole "upgrade" thing seems to actually have merit.

Input Lag is also apparently fantastic, which is a bonus, though not sure ill care that much as I game mainly on PC now.

I considered the 55" OLED 4K, but LGs garbage tier video processing and motion as well as the indefensible black globs on the sides of the panel turned me off. Until a manufacturer with a clue on how to process video makes an OLED set, the tech is not ready for purchase as far as I am concerned.

Will probably make the purchase in the next few weeks and hopefully have it set up by end of August!
 
Looking for something around 40 inches or so. Give or take. Have a Xbox One, PS4, and Wii U. Also run an hdmi from my PC to it for the occasional couch gaming. Any suggestions?
 
A panasonic 4k set (lcd/led) is the answer. Contrast nearly as good as their old plasmas, but higher resolution. And you get 3D to boot.

The Panasonic 4K TV got hammered during the latest Value Electronics shootout.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-electronics-flat-panel-shootout-results.html

If you're going to buy a 4K LCD, your choices are Samsung and Sony. Of the two, I would recommend the Sony simply because you can actually adjust the picture in Sony's Game Mode.
 
The Panasonic 4K TV got hammered during the latest Value Electronics shootout.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-electronics-flat-panel-shootout-results.html

If you're going to buy a 4K LCD, your choices are Samsung and Sony. Of the two, I would recommend the Sony simply because you can actually adjust the picture in Sony's Game Mode.

Sad to say, Samsung is the only viable option these days if you value PQ. :(

Sony went to concentrate on their AndroidOS instead of improving PQ.

Panasonic still uses IPS panel.
 
Would a 4k make the games look better or worse?

I don't know. I'm perfectly fine with playing 1080p games in their native resolution. And a 4K set would probably have a slightly higher input lag. Besides being a lot more expensive (I paid 799 Euro for the 55W805B, while the 55X8505B costs about 1600 Euro).

Nah, really not interested in 4K right now. I'll probably only think about another upgrade if 4K graphics will be the standard for the PS5 (which I doubt it will).
 
Could I properly calibrate my TV with a spyder 4 pro (PC to TV via HDMI) or is there a better way?
I believe you can use HCFR. I haven't used it in years but I believe it has its own pattern generator. If not then you can try Mobile Forge from CalMAN to generate patterns.
Those are free alternatives.

I think Dnice stuff isnt on AVS anymore. Some alternative forum.

High Def junkies last I read.
 
I believe you can use HCFR. I haven't used it in years but I believe it has its own pattern generator. If not then you can try Mobile Forge from CalMAN to generate patterns.
Those are free alternatives.



High Def junkies last I read.

Has to use CalMAN in order to use mobile forge, you cannot run mobile forge without it.
 
After spending more time checking it out, I've decided I'm going to be buying a Samsung 65JS9500 next month as my new set.

Sony lost me by making FALD exclusive to the 75" size X940C (which looks incredible), leaving the 65X930 edge lit and I don't trust the X950B to be fully updated to HDR standards, and in comparisons I found both the X940C and JS9500 to produce better PQ than it. The JS9500 seems to do an amazing job of balancing bright picture along with incredibly deep blacks, and the color is off the charts. And the whole OCB concept is not a joke, judging by posts on AVS by members using the 2015 box to 2014 models, so the whole "upgrade" thing seems to actually have merit.

Input Lag is also apparently fantastic, which is a bonus, though not sure ill care that much as I game mainly on PC now.

I considered the 55" OLED 4K, but LGs garbage tier video processing and motion as well as the indefensible black globs on the sides of the panel turned me off. Until a manufacturer with a clue on how to process video makes an OLED set, the tech is not ready for purchase as far as I am concerned.

Will probably make the purchase in the next few weeks and hopefully have it set up by end of August!

They just dropped the 65JS9500 price another $500. I'll be buying in September/October and will probably be getting JS9500 as well. I'm waiting until after IFA in case there are any surprise announcements.
 
So what's the next best in line following the Sony KDL-55W900A? What with being a 2013 model, I don't think it's possible to find a new one laying around. Damn, :^(.

What I'm looking for is a display with 1080p, 120hz, and less than 30ms input lag. Main uses will be mostly watching anime/tv shows/movies and playing non-competitive games like RPGS or something (competitive games like fighting games or FPS will be on my gaming monitor). I guess I might be more flexible on the input lag portion, though I'd still like to keep it as low as possible.

On another note, I'd kill for a list of displays owned by the users in this thread.

As reference, I've been stuck with a Panasonic TC-L32S1 since 2008 or around there.

I've been looking at the Sony KDL-55W800B, so maybe this post might be moot, but recommendations are always welcome.
 
Ok, I don't care about input lag as I don't online game much. So would 1080p games look better on a 4k set or a 1080p set, guys? I need a new set sometime and need to figure this out.
 
So what's the next best in line following the Sony KDL-55W900A? What with being a 2013 model, I don't think it's possible to find a new one laying around. Damn, :^(.

What I'm looking for is a display with 1080p, 120hz, and less than 30ms input lag. Main uses will be mostly watching anime/tv shows/movies and playing non-competitive games like RPGS or something (competitive games like fighting games or FPS will be on my gaming monitor). I guess I might be more flexible on the input lag portion, though I'd still like to keep it as low as possible.

On another note, I'd kill for a list of displays owned by the users in this thread.

As reference, I've been stuck with a Panasonic TC-L32S1 since 2008 or around there.

I've been looking at the Sony KDL-55W800B, so maybe this post might be moot, but recommendations are always welcome.

Either Sony 55W800B or 55W700B. I calibrated a W800B last night and not really impressed with the Android system, navigating the menus was a giant pain in the ass. I liked the W700B over the 800B.

On a side note, I've seen a lot of the 900A as my friend had one. Neither sets compare to it, it was a great set.

Right now I have a 55W950B.
 
Exactly. Even with the same model, a calibration done with the same equipment by the same person. the settings will vary. They will look similar but one display may drive red or blue higher then the other. So when you adjust it it will have an impact on the low or high end so it changes everything.

Then when you look at certain models like Sony where you don't have a CMS your primaries and secondaries are where they are. So even the same model between two different displays will track them at different points.

I guess for me thats where I have this view on people just throwing the word calibrated around when they just used other users posted settings.

There are so many methods and techniques. Last one I did I did 5 different methods checking native color spaces, rec709, blue green led profiles, etc. used different meters, chromapure, calman 5 ent, lightspace, various pattern sizes, apl non apl windows, patterns from videoforge, lightspace, etc. to maximize the picture and fix various things I found.

Not to say I haven't shared my settings but I let them know each time this doesn't replace a real calibration.

Back in the component video input days I used to build custom hardware to fix color decoding errors on sets that didn't have adequate (or any) menu options for it.
 
Either Sony 55W800B or 55W700B. I calibrated a W800B last night and not really impressed with the Android system, navigating the menus was a giant pain in the ass. I liked the W700B over the 800B.

On a side note, I've seen a lot of the 900A as my friend had one. Neither sets compare to it, it was a great set.

Right now I have a 55W950B.

Doesn't seem like the 700B is all that readily available either, at least in the states. I don't plan on buying a TV now, but in a few months I will, so I guess the 800B will be on my tentative radar. Thanks for the tip.
 
Back in the component video input days I used to build custom hardware to fix color decoding errors on sets that didn't have adequate (or any) menu options for it.

Yeah I have been starting to look into LUT's. I'm really beginning to think that is the way to go with these displays now days.
 
I guess it's time that I actually buy a new tv.

I don't care too much about input lag, I mostly care about how good it looks. hence, should I go for a 4K LED? If so, what are the best ones out there? I don't want to spend too much and I'm fine with a 40", 43" or 48" tv.
or I should just avoid 4Ks? I think someone here recommended me a Sony KDL tv before.
 
Is Sony the best brand in UHD TVs at the moment?

What about Samsung and Panasonic, these days?


If I wanted a 4k 65" TV for gaming (i.e. with low input lag), which brand(s) would you guys point me toward?

Need to upgrade my 2008 42" Panny plasma.
 
Is Sony the best brand in UHD TVs at the moment?

What about Samsung and Panasonic, these days?


If I wanted a 4k 65" TV for gaming (i.e. with low input lag), which brand(s) would you guys point me toward?

Need to upgrade my 2008 42" Panny plasma.

Right now the Samsung UN65JS8500. $1,000 more gets you the Sony 930c which I'd rather have.
 
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