Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News
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Jason's Ultimatum
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Alligatorjandro
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Never been therethis is what Jacksonville looks like:
You are such a cynical bastard.
This is probably why you believe the NFL's lies about Brady.
none of us need the full Patriot experience by coexisting with a murderer.
Alligatorjandro
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How many fans spirits have the Bills murdered?
thestopsign
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I have been trying to stay objective on this whole ordeal as a Patriots fan. The Patriots definitely have not handled the media well, that is for sure. I get the sense when it first came up (whether they did it or not) they did not think it was going to blow up or be a big deal.
I think the 4-game suspension is a little excessive and has no precedent, but even if it stays I am excited to see Jimmy Garoppalo play, so I don't really care. It seems like the case has a good chance of back-firing on the NFL too, which would always be a plus in my eyes.
The NFL needs to have standards in place for everything and make sure they are followed after this, I find it ridiculous that they can't even fully place blame on the Patriots due to lack of due diligence by officials. One way or another I would like to definitively know if there was intentional tampering, but it looks like that will never be the case. I can admit to myself when something wrong has occurred and place blame, but in this case there is nothing more than circumstantial evidence that can be debated about forever.
I think the 4-game suspension is a little excessive and has no precedent, but even if it stays I am excited to see Jimmy Garoppalo play, so I don't really care. It seems like the case has a good chance of back-firing on the NFL too, which would always be a plus in my eyes.
The NFL needs to have standards in place for everything and make sure they are followed after this, I find it ridiculous that they can't even fully place blame on the Patriots due to lack of due diligence by officials. One way or another I would like to definitively know if there was intentional tampering, but it looks like that will never be the case. I can admit to myself when something wrong has occurred and place blame, but in this case there is nothing more than circumstantial evidence that can be debated about forever.
TheLaughingStock
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DeaconKnowledge
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Because they are incompetent and treated that act in the same way that they treat every offense - by trying to sweep it under the rug.
Here's the problem - incompetence does not excuse cheating.
Even if you are to argue that the league is incompetent - an argument I would surely agree with - that in no way absolves what Brady or the Pats did.
where did you hear this?
no more than the innocents sacrificed to fuel New England dishonesty.
Albert Breer twitter, unless I misread it.
I love how ridiculously bad the Wells report is is ignored and it's simply a fact now that there was wrongdoing. It's becoming more and more clear, if that was even necessary, that most couldn't possibly care less about the actual evidence. The conclusions were not reasoned into and reasoning you and others out of them isn't easy or perhaps even possible.
The judge that is assigned the case was the same judge that was assigned the in Brady v NFL in 2011 (2011 lockout) but he recused himself of that case.
DeaconKnowledge
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Innocent people don't destroy evidence.
Innocent people don't refuse outright to cooperate with an investigation
Fuck the Wells report. Brady's actions alone tell me that he's guilty. Anybody who could seriously defend them is..well, a Pats fan, apparently.
Sorry, that's what I meant - I should have elaborated what union case. I'm curious why he recused himself in that case.
First Bill Cosby then Hulk Hogan and now bionic. I have no more heroes.
Did I forget to mention ignorance? It's clear you haven't been following any of this closely and have no idea what's actually happening. The investigation got all of the information it needed, including every number Brady texted and all of the emails they requested. They never actually asked to physically take his phone. They were given access to every phone of every non player associated with the Patriots. Every single message, besides three on Feb 7th, can be corroborated between the text messages they already have from other phones and numbers texted on Brady's phone. When asked why the NFL didn't follow up on any texts sent to specific numbers they claim they were interested in, they responded that it was too hard to track those down.
The CBA does not provide any basis for demanding a player hand over messages and, despite this, the investigation was given plenty.
Your understanding of the situation is entirely wrong.
Spectral Glider
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So when are the Pats hiring back McNally and Jastremski?
Jason's Ultimatum
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bionic is trolling the shit, doe, and they fell for it.
The NFL would need to give the Pats approval to do so.
uhhh bionic is being 100% serious, what the hell are you talking about?
no, this is just fallout from him finally recognizing paternity of Gata and trying to make up for lost time with his son
Spectral Glider
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No, no they wouldn't.
DeaconKnowledge
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None of that has anything to do with what I posted.
Yes they would. The NFL said so explicitly in their statement in May.
What you posted was wrong and/or incomplete and I explained why.
TheContact
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His cell phone being broken is completely irrelevant because he was under no obligation to have to turn it in anyway. If you had private information on your phone, you would give it up for investigators to sift through? If I knew I was right, I sure as hell wouldn't.
DeaconKnowledge
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No, you brought up bullshit that has nothing to do with it. The Patriots deflecting by giving up non players phones has nothing to do with Brady's cooperation or lack thereof.
Deflecting? What the hell are you talking about? The entire reason they wanted the messages was to look at what he said to the equipment guys, to determine if anything was going on and if he knew about it. They have all of the relevant messages because they had access to those non player phones.
You really don't understand what's happening.
not psycho
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Not that it matters, but I'm not a Patriots fan. I'd root against them against most teams (though this whole thing will make me root for them this year).
The Colts broke NFL rules by taking the Patriots ball and testing it themselves. A false story was written saying the Patriots balls were 2+ PSI under the limit. And that was it; game over. From there on out, it has been nothing but PR. Every single thing the NFL has done has been done from a PR perspective, not from a fact-finding perspective or an integrity of the game perspective. What matters is headlines, not reality.
The reality is that the NFL did not punish teams who were caught altering the pressure of their footballs, or even applying adhesives to them - until it was a PR issue with the Patriots. They did not have a decent system in place to test the balls, instead using random gauges with wildly different accuracy, and not bothering to record the measurements. They didn't care until it was a PR issue with the Patriots (a PR issue generated by Colts rule breaking and a false story).
The scientific evidence suggests that the balls were not deflated - the NFL ignored that for PR reasons. The employees involved were talking about officials overinflating balls above their own limits (understandable given their laughable testing process), but that doesn't fit the PR narrative. The NFL can't implicate themselves for their poor process, for their lack of punishment of other teams who we know cheated, and the Colts for cheating. No, the Patriots HAD to have deflated the balls.
CrocMother
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Here's what there is to understand that matters: Brady is more probably than not going to lose his case and sit 4 games.
Troy Vincent of the NFL would need to approve it.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492190/article/nfl-releases-statement-on-patriots-violations
Spectral Glider
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Where? The only thing I know of is that after the Wells report, the Pats suspended them without pay. When questioned, they said the league had suggested they do so. When Goodell was asked, he flatly denied that they made such a request. When Kraft was asked about if further, he refused to discuss it. So, somebody is lying.
TheContact
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You're so narrow minded you can't even see how ignorant you're coming across as. Your hatred for the pats has blocked all the mess the NFL created themselves with their inconsistent air pressure readings and methods, leaks, a bogus wells report they paid for. They paid for that information. Wells was the NFLs client. The "science" was disproven many times over. Brady fully cooperated but refused to hand over his personal cell phone and that's all you seem to care about. Pats get hit with million dollar fine and loss of draft picks because the NFL needed someone to blame for their own incompetence. Brady appeals and doesn't have his 4 game suspension overturned. Yet child beaters do. If you don't see the agenda the NFL has and can only see Tom not wanting to give his personal cell phone with more personal information than just possible ball deflated text messages as a means of guilt then you have some serious blinders on because of your hatred for the pats. If you're gonna hate that's fine but at least be objective about it. And reminder: this is all about air pressure. A ton of QBs said they alter the air pressure either by adding more than allowed or less and seeing what they can get away with. Even if Tom did tell Ball boys to lower the pressure, which he didn't because he would admit it like the other QBs did because it's not a big deal! It makes very little impact on the game and it's a small preference QBs have. Anyone who has thrown a football knows everyone likes it different. Even if the rules were broken and the pats take the fall, like they did with spygate where other teams were doing it but the pats took the fall, Brady did better in the second half when the balls were back to regular air pressure proving it barely matters as far as the game is concerned. The NFL is a joke with Goodell behind it.
Stop with your sense making.
DeaconKnowledge
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Who determines what is relevant? You?
PR PR narrative narrative. This is your argument?
Spectral Glider
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And:
Well, since there is zero proof of any wrong doing, they should be trying to get these guys reinstated. No? Poor schlubs.
The investigation identified the time periods. They have every message sent between Brady and the equipment personnel that they needed and the logs he provided show that.
I don't understand what you are arguing. The Patriots are not allowed to hire those two guys without the NFL approving it. You suggested that was not the case.
Spectral Glider
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Yeah, OK, so they need Troy Vincent's approval. Shouldn't be hard as there's no hard evidence against them. Kraft and Brady are united in this thinking, they both should be trying to get them reinstated with the club.
DeaconKnowledge
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Your argument makes a ton of assumptions that coincidentally favor your perspective.
What he's saying is that getting these chaps reinstated should just be a formality since everyone knows the Patriots did absolutely nothing wrong.
Why are the Patriots not lobbying for these two to be reinstated? seems that for an innocent party the Patriots are rolling over and taking a lot of punishment. Did they get their draft picks back yet?
I wouldn't know how easy or difficult it would be to get Troy Vincent's approval, though I imagine the NFL wouldn't grant it as the NFL's claim is that the two are responsible for deflating footballs.
The Patriots right now seemed more focused on their Quarterback than 2 equipment guys.
DeaconKnowledge
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Has the attempt even been made?
And those would be...?
I don't know. Though i'd imagine they probably won't ever be reinstated especially McNally who didn't seem so fond of Brady in many of the text messages.
TheContact
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It's a big deal when confirmed toddler punchers get away with it but supposed ball deflaters don't.
Spectral Glider
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Couldn't be too hard, Williams and the other Bounty gate coaches are back in the league making much more money than McNally and Jastremski.
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