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[call_kotaku]

This is from the end of yesterday so something might have changed.

Edit: Actually it is still correct because I just checked datdota.

surprised that Ogre and Jakiro aren't picked in this meta, to be honest

 

[sleverfunk]

That rotk profile.

 

[Chris R]

Wonder if MVP picks MVP.Hot6... Or if they go for Newbee.

 

[PhaZZe]

Today was my first day watching matches live, they are great!

 

[W1SSY]

Wyvern killed Gyro by canceling his tp with cold embrace.

 

[JawesomeJaw]

Ursa, Mirana, Warlock and Weaver are the once I will be shocked if they don't get grabbed at some point. The rest is the deepest of picket strats if the get picked at all. Maybe Spec or Medusa too.

 

[inkls]

I want to see lone druid. But without Alliance the chances of that happening are next to none

so pls buff LD icefrog

 

[theprodigy]

Wonder if MVP picks MVP.Hot6... Or if they go for Newbee.

incoming collusion?


(lol)

 

[Drkirby]

I want to see lone druid. But without Alliance the chances of that happening are next to none

so pls buff LD icefrog

With Alliance the chance would still be none.

 

[bbd23]

wait wtf how did ehome win? i went upstairs for 5 minutes and they fucking came back? won? WHAT

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

With Alliance the chance would still be none.

Yeah you know that hero is dead when teams don't even ban it vs Alliance

 

[sephi22]

I feel stupid but I'm going to ask anyway. Can someone tell me what the subtitle of the thread (dA vinci) have to do with TI/Dota? I feel like I missed a joke in the OT

 

[theprodigy]

wait, EHOME gets #1 seed if they win this game right

edit: oh hey, a tiebreaker match!

 

[W1SSY]

wait, EHOME gets #1 seed if they win this game right

yes

 

[SamuraiX-]

WTF

Can somebody fill me in on how Game 1 of EHOME v CDEC ended?

I watched the first 25 min and EHOME was getting rolled. What did I miss?

wait wtf how did ehome win? i went upstairs for 5 minutes and they fucking came back? won? WHAT

wow so it all happened within minutes?

somebody please fill us in lol

 

[JawesomeJaw]

What's the format for the vp v empire tiebreaker? One or three games?

 

[W1SSY]

What's the format for the vp v empire tiebreaker? One or three games?

BO3

 

[Drkirby]

What's the format for the vp v empire tiebreaker? One or three games?

Honestly it hasn't been announced yet. I'd assume Bo1, but we will see.

Edit: I'm seeing that it will be Bo3 on reddit.

 

[rexor0717]

I like how everyone on the analyst's couch likes holding the plushies.

 

[lucebuce12]

I like how everyone on the analyst's couch likes holding the plushies.

If I was on the couch, I'd just be stroking the Ursa plushie's head like a Bond villain.

 

[Servbot #42]

This is from the end of yesterday so something might have changed.

Edit: Actually it is still correct because I just checked datdota.

Wow so many heroes that were extremely popular last year remained unpicked, i guess the meta did change a lot....sorry i haven't followed dota at all since last TI.

 

[Drkirby]

Wow so many heroes that were extremely popular last year remained unpicked, i guess the meta did change a lot....sorry i haven't followed dota at all since last TI.

Yep, nerfing heroes will do that.

Except Kunnka, he has only got buffs but still isn't picked. Its sad

 

[lucebuce12]

Yep, nerfing heroes will do that.

Except Kunnka, he has only got buffs but still isn't picked. Its sad

Agreed. Even iG aren't pulling out the ol' Shadow Demon/Kunkka roaming combo.

btw, why isn't Kunkka picked more often? Put him safelane, as a support, or even mid in some situations. We has low cooldown spells, can do great burst damage which can be magical at first but later on also does physical damage, great at teamfighting, excels at constant fighting because of his x marks the spot yourself, tp home, fill up your bottle and come back.

It's situational, but he can shine.

 

[JawesomeJaw]

BO3

As it probably should be considering what is on the line. Had VP as my dark horse so pulling for them, though ALOHADANCE is always insane to watch.

 

[theprodigy]

Empire actually 2-0'd VP in groups, but have to play them again lol

 

[Servbot #42]

Yep, nerfing heroes will do that.

Except Kunnka, he has only got buffs but still isn't picked. Its sad

Umm i read that they changed Ursa's ult, is he trash tier now? That would suck because i liked Ursa.

 

[Chris R]

incoming collusion?


(lol)

Well... If they did play each other, one team would get 50k and the other team would get at LEAST 200k.

If MVP picks Newbee and MVP/MVP.Hot6 both lose their Bo1s... each team gets 50k only

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Umm i read that they changed Ursa's ult, is he trash tier now? That would suck because i liked Ursa.

It makes him an insane physical burst hero. You can kill Rosh really fast when you ult.

 

[StrayngerDaynger]

Is it wrong that I watch the twitch steam instead for the chat spam?

 

[lucebuce12]

Umm i read that they changed Ursa's ult, is he trash tier now? That would suck because i liked Ursa.

He's.... different. His problems, mainly the whole everybody can kite him for days, is still a problem but his ulti makes him MUCH better at killing heroes/Roshan and makes him considerably tankier which can work in trying to counter ganks and stuff. Also, the ulti rework makes him slightly worse at taking towers than he was before.

 

[W1SSY]

EG must be dying have to watch CDEC dive and throw this game.

 

[Armaros]

I want that puck face pillow

 

[Huff]

http://dota2.welovefine.com/puck-cuddlehero-light-up-pillow-17.html

how much do you want it

 

[Armaros]

http://dota2.welovefine.com/puck-cuddlehero-light-up-pillow-17.html

how much do you want it

poor college student T_T

Edit: Dat ursa

 

[Servbot #42]

It makes him an insane physical burst hero. You can kill Rosh really fast when you ult.

He's.... different. His problems, mainly the whole everybody can kite him for days, is still a problem but his ulti makes him MUCH better at killing heroes/Roshan and makes him considerably tankier which can work in trying to counter ganks and stuff. Also, the ulti rework makes him slightly worse at taking towers than he was before.

Thanks for explaining the changes to me, it's funny that you mention that he is better at killing heroes because i thought he was already pretty damn good at doing just that. Makes me want reinstall dota. Hopefully someone picks Ursa at this international.

 

[harSon]

http://dota2.welovefine.com/puck-cuddlehero-light-up-pillow-17.html

how much do you want it

can i get a mirana body pillow :3 ?

 

[Usobuko]

LGD must be very happy with how it went in Group B. For EG and Secret to duke it out themselves if they both get through to the 2nd round. Same goes for iG and VG, they won't meet until the 4th round in LB, assuming they win all their games too.

RIP for ehome though, most likely facing Secret next.

 

[Drkirby]

This looks like it's going to be a fun set to close out the group stages.

 

[lucebuce12]

Thanks for explaining the changes to me, it's funny that you mention that he is better at killing heroes because i thought he was already pretty damn good at doing just that. Makes me want reinstall dota. Hopefully someone picks Ursa at this international.

I highly doubt someone's gonna pick Ursa for the following reasons.

1. The current meta is based on upon heroes who can teamfight early and consistently. High burst damage is particularly valued.

2. Lane dominators, particularly for mid, are becoming the norm so heroes that can easily snowball like QoP, Storm Spirit, Leshrac are extremely popular.

3. Ursa is flat out shit in a laning situation. There are much better caries that can do better in the laning phase.

4. Ursa's problems are still there, mainly that he can get kited easily. He has no stun unless he buys a hex or abyssal.

5. His Roshing potential is insanely high but the enemy team will know that as well. If 5 seconds go by and they haven't seen Ursa, the natural response will be that he's gone to rosh.

6. All of his damage is single target based, and unlike other carries like Wraith King, he can't start out as a support or have something else going for him like his tankiness.

 

[W1SSY]

I highly doubt someone's gonna pick Ursa for the following reasons.

Archon picked Ursa in the play in series

Spoiler

and they got stomped

.

 

[lucebuce12]

Archon picked Ursa in the play in series

Spoiler

and they got stomped

.

I meant for the main stage, but yeah, you kinda proved my point a little.

 

[Lemon Crest]

That laguna snowball dodge

 

[pompidu]

I highly doubt someone's gonna pick Ursa for the following reasons.

1. The current meta is based on upon heroes who can teamfight early and consistently. High burst damage is particularly valued.

2. Lane dominators, particularly for mid, are becoming the norm so heroes that can easily snowball like QoP, Storm Spirit, Leshrac are extremely popular.

3. Ursa is flat out shit in a laning situation. There are much better caries that can do better in the laning phase.

4. Ursa's problems are still there, mainly that he can get kited easily. He has no stun unless he buys a hex or abyssal.

5. His Roshing potential is insanely high but the enemy team will know that as well. If 5 seconds go by and they haven't seen Ursa, the natural response will be that he's gone to rosh.

6. All of his damage is single target based, and unlike other carries like Wraith King, he can't start out as a support or have something else going for him like his tankiness.

I agree with all this. While this is an ok patch, the power creep for mobility and burst damage is out of control. Bkb needs a price drop, move speed needs to go back to where it was. Blink abilities need to be nerfed.

All this shit reks hereos like ursa.

 

[t0rment]

wow, when did they put that information thing on the twitch page?

 

[Zephyx]

At this point, how do you even nerf Gyro? Reduce flak cannon damage to 75% on sub-targets? Increase cd on Call Down? Rebalance the cast point of Rocket Barrage? Make skills more mana-consuming?

 

[trw]

I would guess reducing some growth, making him less viable as a lategame hero. The only thing that needs to be nerfed is his ability to be fantastic in all parts of the game.

 

[lucebuce12]

At this point, how do you even nerf Gyro? Reduce flak cannon damage to 75% on sub-targets? Increase cd on Call Down? Rebalance the cast point of Rocket Barrage? Make skills more mana-consuming?

Change the meta.

Also, the hero as a concept just feels so unbalanced. A ranged hero who has an AOE magical damage ultimate with an insanely low cooldown, some of the most damaging early game magical spells, and can do spread damage that scales with his items so he's very good as a late game carry?

Literally all other carries have some form of drawback in return (squishiness, lack of mobility,high mana costs,suck at farming) but I just don't see any when it comes to Gyro.

 

[trw]

Change the meta.

Also, the hero as a concept just feels so unbalanced. A ranged hero who has an AOE magical damage ultimate with an insanely low cooldown, some of the most damaging early game magical spells, and can do spread damage that scales with his items so he's very good as a late game carry?

Literally all other carries have some form of drawback in return (squishiness, lack of mobility,high mana costs,suck at farming) but I just don't see any when it comes to Gyro.

Yeah, he needs a drawback. But I hope his laning doesn't get nerfed because I think that's the thing that makes him unique and fun compared to similar heroes.

 

[sleverfunk]

EG chooses complexity as their opponent on the main event.
https://twitter.com/FearDotA/status/626953596379095040

 

[Usobuko]

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2015/Main_Event

If this is true, EG pick CoL over C9.