First reviews for Trank's Fantastic Four hit.

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Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghh.

Seriously, why is Doom that hard to do on film? He has a really cool mask. While, yeah, you don't see the actor's face, you can still see their eyes, and plenty of acting can be done with that.

Why do they keep wanting to do shit like this to him?

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First, this doesn't go for every movie, it goes for comic movies. And there Marvel is far and away the company with the best track-record, both critically and financially. What you're suggesting isn't consistency, it's defiance of reality. Unless you can point me to a studio Marvel rights would have a better place, then by all means.

Comic movies? You have to make the category smaller: Marvel comic movies. This doesn't occur with DC or other comics. It's strictly a one-way street to Marvel.

A better studio? Fox and Sony have shown to do great movies great while their sucky movies can suck badly. The top five best live action comic book movies come not from marvel but from Fox, Sony and WB(?) Superman. Marvel makes the safe middle ground. I would rather chance a great movie instead of a "well, at least it's solid" type movie.

You can say defiance of reality but the reality is no one cares that Marvel makes meh movies. They care that the owners of other Marvel characters fail so Marvel can get the rights back. It is a consistent issue. Disregard the realities of the law and look at how people react to bad movies when the it's a Marvel created character. Even so, the reality is even if a movie bombs critically or successfully Marvel won't get the rights back. It's a petty way to express your dislike of a movie. At least be thankful they're trying a different take. If it fails, it fails. It if succeeds it succeeds.
 
Counterpoint - I would argue that this is a sign that studios are getting smarter about their directorial hires. Like miscasting an actor into a role, you can mis-hire a director for a movie. Ang Lee was simply the wrong director for the wrong movie.

I see what you're saying—I guess I would rather risk getting one great movie and one bad movie (ie. Raimi's SM2 and SM3) than merely two mediocre to good films. I can swallow that failure if that is the cost of the gamble. Plus, often, failures make for just as compelling films as successes when they have a strong, sustained creative vision behind them—however misguided or poorly executed that vision may be. And I think there's value in that as well. I get more out of a "bad" Spiderman 3 than I do out of a dull, but competent, Amazing Spiderman.

As an aside, Life of Pi makes me so interested to see how Ang Lee would have handled Hulk with today's technology—I've always felt Hulk's biggest problem, critically and commercially, was that it was an ugly film that looked dated the day it came out.
 
Mandarin twist is the most ballsy, brave move Marvel have made, and I loved it. Don't treat all these characters and stories as sacred; make your own stories instead of constantly adapting.
Except that the real Mandarin is still out there, & is pissed that he was impersonated as a joke.
 

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I don't think the people who made this film actually read an issue. They got drunk, binged on Mass Effect, picked "Synthesis" at the end, then decided they should do something to keep the rights from reverting to Marvel and scribbled down a rough idea on a napkin.
 

The concept here is pretty cool. He's basically walking and causing people's heads to explode in Scanners fashion.

But it's Hobo Doom.

In a Fantastic Four movie.

There's no version of this scene that works, unless you go R rated.

I'm sure Josh Trank could make an amazing body horror based super hero movie for under $25 million. Unfortunately he wanted to turn a $100 million Fantastic Four movie into that. Unfortunately that's a wheel that simply wouldn't turn for him.
 
I see what you're saying—I guess I would rather risk getting one great movie and one bad movie (ie. Raimi's SM2 and SM3) than merely two mediocre to good films. I can swallow that failure if that is the cost of the gamble. Plus, often, failures make for just as compelling films as successes when they have a strong, sustained creative vision behind them—however misguided or poorly executed that vision may be. And I think there's value in that as well. I get more out of a "bad" Spiderman 3 than I do out of a dull, but competent, Amazing Spiderman.

As an aside, Life of Pi makes me so interested to see how Ang Lee would have handled Hulk with today's technology—I've always felt Hulk's biggest problem, critically and commercially, was that it was an ugly film that looked dated the day it came out.

Hulk's biggest problem was that it was a movie about a green guy who's trademark line is HULK SMASH and he did very little smashing in the movie. I'd argue that Hulk was an example of something trying way harder than they needed to with something.
 
Except that the real Mandarin is still out there, & is pissed that he was impersonated as a joke.
If they eventually do the real Mandarin, they could do it pretty easily. Half Chinese half English triad member turned warlord once he found the 10 alien rings. Boom. No need to play into Fu Manchu stereotypes.
 
I'm perplexed by the 'Thanos hasn't done much' argument.

He's only showed up so far to be introduced to the viewers, so that when he gets up out of that throne to kick ass you know who he is. They're dedicating two Avengers movies to him as the villain and have been trying to build to that slowly.

He'll do something, hopefully it will be as glorious as it should be. Fingers crossed.
 
Hulk's biggest problem was that it was a movie about a green guy who's trademark line is HULK SMASH and he did very little smashing in the movie.

Hulk's story, at its core, is about Bruce Banner. Its about his struggle between his intellect and his rage. Peter Davidvwrote one of the best and longest runs of Hulk and issues woukd go by where Hulk never showed up. Clearly, execs go for the easier sell with the incredble, green rage monster. Ang Lee knew better but his film was clearly flawed.
 
It really isn't that amazing, IMO, but whatever floats your boat.

Also, TETSUOOOOOOOO.

I can fix that scene with one pen stroke. Doom walks down the hall, they fire everything they got at him but too no effect. But he doesn't even look or strike back, he doesn't acknowledge them because they are beneath Doom


If they eventually do the real Mandarin, they could do it pretty easily. Half Chinese half English triad member turned warlord once he found the 10 alien rings. Boom. No need to play into Fu Manchu stereotypes.

You mean the stereotype that hasn't been thing in 30 years
 
It fucking sucks, because I can see glimmers of a pretty awesome movie there.

It's like the Fantastic Four is a child that has these incredible ideas and everyone has high hopes, and then his father (director) beats him repeatedly to try and get him to be the incredible person we know he can be. And then, as he grows up, his peers (producers) pick up on his faults and constantly badger and bully him and eventually transform him and cut enough away from his existence that he's left clobbered.
 
Hulk's biggest problem was that it was a movie about a green guy who's trademark line is HULK SMASH and he did very little smashing in the movie. I'd argue that Hulk was an example of something trying way harder than they needed to with something.

Nope. The problem with Ang lee's hulk is that it's tonally all over the place. It wants to be a serious think piece, reflecting on the psychological relationship between banner and hulk, but then it has shit like hulk poodles, nick nolte going squirrel shit nutty, and comic book panel transitions. Hulk is just Eric bana's head stretched out on a muscular body, and the third act is a fight you can barely see while hulk and his dad gargle at each other.
 
Nope. The problem with Ang lee's hulk is that it's tonally all over the place. It wants to be a serious think piece, reflecting on the psychological relationship between banner and hulk, but then it has shit like hulk poodles, nick nolte going squirrel shit nutty, and comic book panel transitions. Hulk is just Eric bana's head stretched out on a muscular body, and the third act is a fight you can barely see while hulk and his dad gargle at each other.

Agreed, good points. Tonally, yeah, that movie is a mess
 
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