Are these the FF6 Crusaders? Left has a bone like body, the middle on floats on something, right has a knight helm/armor with a little tassle thing sticking out of helm
Don't worry, you are not the only one. This has to be one of the biggest fuck up for a AAA game promotion in years.When my spirits are high on XV, I have the energy to rebuke the "XV is not the Versus XIII I designed in my head watching 3 trailers over and over" crowd.
But after this week, my spirits are not that high
Yes. You're right. It's factually different after the 2013 re-reveal in that it's a full development project.
I was gonna use it myself, but it seemed like a low hanging fruit.
Just wanted to clarify that he's talking about Yoshihisa Hashimoto, not Shinji Hashimoto, in case anyone is confused.Versus looked very much like a early ps3 game though.If they re-revealed this on next-gen in 2013 the game would have been a laughingstock. VXIII also had changing time/lighting back then as well.
I keep seeing this but I think people should take into perspective what has actually occurred. SE didn't switch over to the full Luminous engine until 2014 and were just using their PS3 Ebony remnants until then; since that switch XV has made some pretty great progress and we got a playable demo a year later. Regarding all of the UE4 talk in other threads though, Luminous' development started way after UE4 which Tim Sweeney started working on since 2003. Luminous didn't start development until 2009 when Hashimoto moved over from Sega to SE to be head of its development. UE4 is an awesome engine but I don't blame SE for having their own plans and goals, especially when UE4 didn't release until 2012, the same year Luminous released. Both engines released at the same time but engines are always getting worked on and improved on, and in this case UE4 had a 6 year head start. Luminous' feature set, rendering capability, and tools obviously still needed work, and it's not surprising UE4 has better tech documents, tools, and support with its longer dev time. There's no way SE would have known this when they started developing Luminous, and they aren't going to sit around and wait for someone else to create a third party engine when they don't/can't even know how it's going to turn out; this is after they've already encountered problems using UE3. Hashimoto was a huge hire and they weren't going to just drop him and Luminous in 2012.
Now Hashimoto left Square in 2014, the same year FFXV fully switched over to Luminous, maybe he felt his work was done and he wasn't needed anymore? He was still an advisor for SE after he left. Luminous seems like an engine they would be able to expand and improve on for next-next gen instead of recreating another one from scratch. ATM though, who knows what's going on. I like to remain optimistic about it, but I'm really interested in that Tabata interview about Luminous...
Regarding development time, it was always going to take a crap ton of time to model all of the assets if XV is as large as we've been speculating for the past few pages, regardless of the engine used. They probably spent a good amount of time since 2012 just doing modeling work for the e3 2013 reveal, game assets which they're using now, and they still had to hire even more people to mass produce assets/models in 2014. This isn't even taking into consideration Tabata has been making changes for who knows how long or recently. The scale of this game would take a long time to develop regardless of the engine.
FFXV TGS 2014 PR shot
Episode Duscae 2015
And the question is how would an open-world game like XV scale on UE4? There's currently an early-access UE4 open-world game supposed to release next year, doesn't maintain a stable 30fps on a GTX 960 on med settings, and looks like this.
They revealed it probably because people were bitching even more about the fact that Square Enix WASN'T showing the game and because they wanted to have a couple of next-gen projects to announce, to do their own share in hyping up the new consoles, to show that they are worth buying since there are big games like FFXV & KHIII coming to them. Should they have waited until E3 2015 to show it? Do you know how much negativity SQEX would have gotten if they had missed E3 2013, TGS 2013, Jump Festa in 2013, E3 2014, TGS 2014 and Jump Festa in 2014 and just kept spewing the "it's still in development, just be a little more patient still" line? People would have expected the game to resurface at every single one of those events. We already knew that the game exists and that there was a big chance FFVsXIII could be moved to PS4 & X1, so what use would it have been to hide the game for 2 more years? I'm much happier to have seen FFXV at E3 2013 and know that it was their next big focus than still be guessing in 2014 or even 2015 what is going on with the game, even with the long stretch of very little information between E3 2013 & TGS 2014 and Gamescom's clusterfuck of a promotion-reboot.
Are these the FF6 Crusaders? Left has a bone like body, the middle on floats on something, right has a knight helm/armor with a little tassle thing sticking out of helm
Do you mean the whole thread? Basically, SQEX overhyped FFXV's presence at Gamescom as some kind of big restart of their promotional campaign for FFXV (the past promotion has mostly been about Episode Duscae, now it's the full game's turn), then went ahead to show 1) a story trailer that consisted of about 3 scenes of which one was just about Regis holding his son in his arms as a young kid for over a minute and the other two extremely short, vague scenes and 2) a gameplay trailer with well over half of it showing Noctis & co leisurely walking/running around and the last 10-15 seconds showing an anticlimactic fight against a cool looking Marlboro enemy where Noctis & Co die after two Bad Breath attacks.
Yup. Either they knew from day one that they would underdeliver, in which case their hype campaign was just shit. Or they are so blinded by what FFXV has become (plus megalomania) that they refuse to realize how crappy that particular event was.
Should be noted that the engine used doesn't exactly determine graphical fidelity. They could make a game just as pleasing visually with UE4, (probably even more so since they'd most likely modify it to suit their needs) and would probably have an easier time too. Square should really stick with that instead of Luminous since it's seemingly hindering the development of what's undoubtedly their largest game.Versus looked very much like a early ps3 game though.
I keep seeing this but I think people should take into perspective what has actually occurred. SE didn't switch over to the full Luminous engine until 2014 and were just using their PS3 Ebony remnants until then; since that switch XV has made some pretty great progress and we got a playable demo a year later. Regarding all of the UE4 talk in other threads though, Luminous' development started way after UE4 which Tim Sweeney started working on since 2003. Luminous didn't start development until 2009 when Hashimoto moved over from Sega to SE to be head of its development. UE4 is an awesome engine but I don't blame SE for having their own plans and goals, especially when UE4 didn't release until 2012, the same year Luminous released. Both engines released at the same time but engines are always getting worked on and improved on, and in this case UE4 had a 6 year head start. Luminous' feature set, rendering capability, and tools obviously still needed work, and it's not surprising UE4 has better tech documents, tools, and support with its longer dev time. There's no way SE would have known this when they started developing Luminous, and they aren't going to sit around and wait for someone else to create a third party engine when they don't/can't even know how it's going to turn out; this is after they've already encountered problems using UE3. Hashimoto was a huge hire and they weren't going to just drop him and Luminous in 2012.
Now Hashimoto left Square in 2014, the same year FFXV fully switched over to Luminous, maybe he felt his work was done and he wasn't needed anymore? He was still an advisor for SE after he left. Luminous seems like an engine they would be able to expand and improve on for next-next gen instead of recreating another one from scratch. ATM though, who knows what's going on. I like to remain optimistic about it, but I'm really interested in that Tabata interview about Luminous...
Regarding development time, it was always going to take a crap ton of time to model all of the assets if XV is as large as we've been speculating for the past few pages, regardless of the engine used. They probably spent a good amount of time since 2012 just doing modeling work for the e3 2013 reveal, game assets which they're using now, and they still had to hire even more people to mass produce assets/models in 2014. This isn't even taking into consideration Tabata has been making changes for who knows how long or recently. The scale of this game would take a long time to develop regardless of the engine.
FFXV TGS 2014 PR shot
Episode Duscae 2015
And the question is how would an open-world game like XV scale on UE4? There's currently an early-access UE4 open-world game supposed to release next year, doesn't maintain a stable 30fps on a GTX 960 on med settings, and looks like this.
...Lol, the interview on NovaCrystallis features a Tabata hoverhand
Yea. But modifying UE4 in conjunction with the development of the game still seems like an easier option than porting to and working on Luminous, in hindsight.
