Pick-up artist (who believes rape should be legal) was chased out of Montreal bar

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i am not making any value judgments when i say that he is making, at its heart, an economical argument here. he puts forth the idea that government should reduce or eliminate its role in regulating something that is currently considered to be criminal so that the natural forces of the "market" will take over and effect a better and simpler solution.

it's a clearly libertarian argument. i don't see any way around that.

Under that view libertarians basically don't believe in laws because the natural force of the market would deal with everything, which is such a ludicrous and extreme view of it, and is basically the same as saying someone advocating that the government should completely control our lives or some other nonsense is a "democrat argument".
 

aeolist

Banned
Under that view libertarians basically don't believe in laws because the natural force of the market would deal with everything, which is such a ludicrous and extreme view of it, and is basically the same as saying someone advocating that the government should completely control our lives or some other nonsense is a "democrat argument".

extremist libertarians are still libertarians, and extremist left wingers are still left wing. nobody's attacking you or your personal politics, just making an observation about this particular asshole and his.
 

Mrmartel

Banned
Yes. A half assed justification that would allow him to commit rape without consequence because he has no respect for women...is there something else I'm missing?

I got from that article that he does not want to commit rape and again has an extremely unorthodox view to reduce/eliminate it.

I don't see anywhere that he is for it, or that he wants to be able to change the laws so he can rape women himself

Again I could be missing some evidence and or writings that he endorses it. But reading through some of the news stories, apparently the authorities were warned that he was entering the country. They must of did a complete check on him and didn't find anything that would be considered illegal (Canada has really strict borders when it comes to this stuff) because he has a lecture this coming weekend.

I don't agree with his assessment but I like to be properly informed and know the truth before I join in condemnation of a person I knew nothing about until today.
 
extremist libertarians are still libertarians, and extremist left wingers are still left wing. nobody's attacking you or your personal politics, just making an observation about this particular asshole and his.

I feel like you're missing the point that I was originally responding to someone saying "So he's a Libertarian. Shocking." so yeah I'd say political groups are basically being attacked here when it really has nothing to do with the issue. It's literally as relevant and going into a thread about a crime being committed and saying "So he's a christian. Shocking" or any other religious or political philosophy then call it an observation.

Also it's offensive to me to pretend that he's actually making an argument that this would stop rape from any actual philosophy, period. No, he's basically saying it should be ok for him to rape women if he manages to get them inside his house because they're beneath him and he has earned that right to do whatever he wants.

I got from that article that he does not want to commit rape and again has an extremely unorthodox view to reduce/eliminate it.

I don't see anywhere that he is for it, or that he wants to be able to change the laws so he can rape women himself

Again I could be missing some evidence and or writings that he endorses it. But reading through some of the news stories, apparently the authorities were warned that he was entering the country. They must of did a complete check on him and didn't find anything that would be considered illegal (Canada has really strict borders when it comes to this stuff) because he has a lecture this coming weekend.

I don't agree with his assessment but I like to be properly informed and know the truth before I join in condemnation of a person I knew nothing about until today.

Dude someone literally gave you a direct quote from one of his writings about his view on actually raping someone.
 

Brakke

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Genuinely starting to think Martel is either on his side or at this point completely unwilling to admit his strange skepticism is completely off base.

For sure. Playing devil's advocate always goes bad when you're super ignorant about the devil you're advocating...
 

Mrmartel

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Genuinely starting to think Martel is either on his side or at this point completely unwilling to admit his strange skepticism is completely off base.

Holy shit, getting labeled as an co-conspirer. Disagree a bit and your the enemy, fuck me. That's all for me today Gaf.
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69

not sure what she did constitutes assault but you really cant just go around throwing drinks on people

But his idea would not eliminate rape at all.

His idea is obviously insane.

That quote is so insane that I don't even think he meant in earnest. I mean, he must just be fishing for attention/ clicks or something, right? Not too familiar with this guy.
 

shiba5

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his view is that women are at fault when they are raped, thus they should be incentivized to avoid being raped

this is not only immediately disgusting to anyone with half a conscience but it also completely ignores the factual and statistical realities of rape

in fact i find it kind of disturbing that i'm having to explain this at all

Yep, it's really gross.
It's so depressing that there are many men out there who just hate "us" and think we're worth less than shit.

But then I picture Roosh getting chased down the street and I'm a bit happier.
Go Canada!
 
Holy shit, getting labeled as an co-conspirer. Disagree a bit and your the enemy, fuck me. That's all for me today Gaf.

Probably because it seems like you're making zero attempt to actually educate yourself on who this guy is and just kinda floating around statements about not "rushing to judgement".

There is no debate on what kind of a man he is, please don't even kinda try that "gaf hivemind" bs.
 

ninjabat

Member
He wants women to live in fear of men. What kind of upbringing did this guy have to find women so far beneath him. Absolutely shocking.
 

Mrmartel

Banned
But his idea would not eliminate rape at all.

His idea is obviously insane.

Albeit it's a really shortsighted, stupid premise but he is not the first to have idiotic ideas. It also seems like only 40 people maybe 50 tops are attending these meetings. Why the national outrage for a group that seems to be a niche to end all niches?

Reading more into it, apparently he has done speeches in Berlin, London, Washington and New York. There wasn't any coverage of it in those cities
 
He wants women to live in fear of men. What kind of upbringing did this guy have to find women so far beneath him. Absolutely shocking.

Well seeing how he basically sympathizes with Elliot Rodger, I imagine probably a bit on the spoiled side in an environment where he never really learned to look at people as equals.

Albeit it's a really shortsighted, stupid premise but he is not the first to have idiotic ideas. It also seems like only 40 people maybe 50 tops are attending these meetings. Why the national outrage for a group that seems to be a niche to end all niches?

Ahhh moving that goalpost now, neat.
 

Stet

Banned
Albeit it's a really shortsighted, stupid premise but he is not the first to have idiotic ideas. It also seems like only 40 people maybe 50 tops are attending these meetings. Why the national outrage for a group that seems to be a niche to end all niches?

Reading more into it, apparently he has done speeches in Berlin, London, Washington and New York. There wasn't any coverage of it in those cities

Inciting crimes is a crime no matter how many people you reach.
 
I got from that article that he does not want to commit rape and again has an extremely unorthodox view to reduce/eliminate it.

I don't see anywhere that he is for it, or that he wants to be able to change the laws so he can rape women himself

Again I could be missing some evidence and or writings that he endorses it. But reading through some of the news stories, apparently the authorities were warned that he was entering the country. They must of did a complete check on him and didn't find anything that would be considered illegal (Canada has really strict borders when it comes to this stuff) because he has a lecture this coming weekend.

I don't agree with his assessment but I like to be properly informed and know the truth before I join in condemnation of a person I knew nothing about until today.
Do you keep somehow missing the quotes regarding his admission of rape which have been posted several times in this thread, or have you seen them, but are incapable of understanding the words you have read?

Or, have you read them, understood them, and agree that the onus is on the girl to stop you raping her (silly laws be damned), and that this is all a part of constructing a win-win alpha male lifestyle?
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Socially stunted egocentric with poorly developed interpersonal skills yet desire to interact with the opposite sex refuses to identify and take responsibility for personality deficiencies and make a conscious effort to improve them, instead diluting social interaction to a measurable and replicatable formula devoid of empathy, one that dehumanises others while encouraging a internally justified feedback loop of sociopathic behavior to feed primal sexual anxieties.

What a surprise.
 

pswii60

Member
"This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped"

"After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied."

Again the article seems to me that he wants to eliminate it, albeit in a extraordinary unorthodox way.

Also apparently he is in Toronto this weekend. If he was actually promoting rape, why would the Canadian government let him in?
Are you being serious? He's victim blaming. You've just touched a nerve with your incredible level of ignorance.
 

MogCakes

Member
Why the national outrage for a group that seems to be a niche to end all niches?
Rapists present an actual threat to personal safety. This is established and not up for debate.

He has been on this agenda for years, it's only now that it's surfacing to mainstream and getting the attention of commonfolk.
 

Shokifer

Member
At least now I know that if I ever become an utterly irredeemable piece of shit, there'll be at least 13,000 people who have my back.
 

Stet

Banned
Why is he in the country if he is inciting crimes? He would of been stopped immediately at customs and sent back to wherever he is from
Canadian border services aren't that strict except in cases of hate speech and even then if he hasn't yet been charged they can't do anything.
 

pswii60

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I wish so many ignorant people would understand that a rape doesn't end when the physical attack ends. What follows is often a life long struggle with PTSD including flashbacks, frequent anxiety attacks in public places, resulting depression and potentially eventual suicide. And even when someone manages to overcome all that, the smallest trigger can set it all off again unexpectedly.

Rape is never trivial. It ruins people's lives, and affects the loved ones around them too. It's a sickening selfish disgusting abhorrent act of evil. Anyone who defends the bullshit this bastard spouts out should be truly ashamed.

And Mrmartel, please get a grip.
 

Mrmartel

Banned
Rapists present an actual threat to personal safety. This is established and not up for debate.

He has been on this agenda for years, it's only now that it's surfacing to mainstream and getting the attention of commonfolk.

So are the police shutting them down? If a group of rapists are getting together to share plans on how to rape and get away with it, why aren't the police involved? Why isn't this guy rotting in a cell? I'm trying to find evidence of him raping or inciting violence and I haven't found any. Could it be that the police can't find anything either?

Has anyone contacted them?

This isn't the states, Canada actually has very strict laws dealing with a person verbally (or written) inciting violence.
 
Mrmartel...

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Reading that article it seems to me that he is not for Rape, but just has unorthodox idea of reducing it.

I got from that article that he does not want to commit rape and again has an extremely unorthodox view to reduce/eliminate it.

I don't see anywhere that he is for it, or that he wants to be able to change the laws so he can rape women himself

Again I could be missing some evidence and or writings that he endorses it. But reading through some of the news stories, apparently the authorities were warned that he was entering the country. They must of did a complete check on him and didn't find anything that would be considered illegal (Canada has really strict borders when it comes to this stuff) because he has a lecture this coming weekend.

I don't agree with his assessment but I like to be properly informed and know the truth before I join in condemnation of a person I knew nothing about until today.

Holy shit, getting labeled as an co-conspirer. Disagree a bit and your the enemy, fuck me. That's all for me today Gaf.

Albeit it's a really shortsighted, stupid premise but he is not the first to have idiotic ideas. It also seems like only 40 people maybe 50 tops are attending these meetings. Why the national outrage for a group that seems to be a niche to end all niches?

Reading more into it, apparently he has done speeches in Berlin, London, Washington and New York. There wasn't any coverage of it in those cities

Why is he in the country if he is inciting crimes? He would of been stopped immediately at customs and sent back to wherever he is from

You're being ridiculously willfully ignorant on this, especially based on what's been given to you in this thread. Until he's actually committed crimes, then only should he be seen as a threat even though he's left plenty of evidence in writing that would make him a suspect? C'mon!

in before some "free speech" bell rings
 

squarerootofpie

Neo Member
This is the same piece of filth who says things like:



Basically he couldn't pick a woman up in Denmark, so obviously in this psychopath's mind that means there's something wrong with the women of an entire country.

As a danish woman THANK FUCK FOR THAT

I have literally been waiting years for this guy to get whats coming to him.
 
Weird how he is affiliated with gamergate.
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Roosh V getting assaulted is a problem. A solution would be to have an exemption to assault/battery laws such that assault/battery is legal only when directed at Roosh V. Under my proposal, Roosh V will protect his body in the same manner that he protects his wallet and smartphone.
Perfect.
 

Brakke

Banned
Roosh V getting assaulted is a problem. A solution would be to have an exemption to assault/battery laws such that assault/battery is legal only when directed at Roosh V. Under my proposal, Roosh V will protect his body in the same manner that he protects his wallet and smartphone.

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I see what you did there.
 

ScribbleD

Member
Reading that article it seems to me that he is not for Rape, but just has unorthodox idea of reducing it.

By "unorthodox idea of reducing [rape]," do you mean that he advocates for rape being legal on private property? Because you can lower the rates of many crimes by making it so they are no longer crimes, but that would be fucking stupid, wouldn't it?
 

Mael

Member
And people say Canada is useless or something?
Good going!
And I would actually offer a beer to anyone who participated in this (except the rapist pickup artist that is).
 

Assanova

Member
I am somewhat familiar with this guy, and the impression I get is that people are cherry picking some of his quotes and taking them out of context. I could be wrong, but that is the impression that I get. I think that part of his argument was for women to be more responsible about some of the situations that they place themselves in. I think that his main point was that it is too easy for both a woman and man to be drunk, have sex, and then for the woman to say that a guy raped her, even if they both consented at the time. He also says something along the lines of it being too easy for a man's life to be ruined by a woman who regrets having sex after the fact. Rape is never right, but I think that the above is what he was getting at with his comments.
 

shiba5

Member
Roosh V getting assaulted is a problem. A solution would be to have an exemption to assault/battery laws such that assault/battery is legal only when directed at Roosh V. Under my proposal, Roosh V will protect his body in the same manner that he protects his wallet and smartphone.

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