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[ReBirFh]

I have to say I think bias lighting is a god send, I put LED strip lights round my W902, and its probably the best thing I could have done. Without doubt for me it has definitely improved perceived black levels in a dark room, I cant bear not having them on 24/7 tbh.

Thanks for this picture! I'm planning to paint the tv wall yellow but I read in some places that painting tv wall in any othe color besides something neutral would mess with the perception of colors by the viewer. Do you think you were affected significantly by having your wall yellow before or after the bias ligtning?

 

[Brakus]

Thanks for this picture! I'm planning to paint the tv wall yellow but I read in some places that paint tv wall in any othe color besides something neutral would mess with the percption of colors by the viewer. Do you think you were affected significantly by having you wall yellow before or after the bias ligtning?

Not at all, just go for whatever colour you want. I'd say it makes no difference at all to viewers colour perception, I had that wall white beforehand. Also the LED strips on the TV can pretty much do any colour you want, so depending on what colour you have chosen, that would change the wall colour anyway. Really don't worry about it.

 

[Bornstellar]

If there is another thread I should post in, please direct me.

Anyone have suggestions for a sound Bar to use with my ps4 and cable box? I'm willing to spend up to around like $500. What should I be looking for to get the best possible sound?

I'm going with a sound Bar because I won't have a permanent residence for awhile and a sound Bar is much more convenient than a full home theatre.

I know you said you didn't want a full home theater setup, but this is a nice compromise:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SMBGGV6/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Omlagus]

Not at all, just go for whatever colour you want. I'd say it makes no difference at all to viewers colour perception, I had that wall white beforehand. Also the LED strips on the TV can pretty much do any colour you want, so depending on what colour you have chosen, that would change the wall colour anyway. Really don't worry about it.

Um, no. Wall colour can absolutely have an effect on your perception of viewed colour. Ideally both should be neutral. Neutral grey for the wall and a bias light at 6500K, but for most people it either won't be possible to do that or they won't care. But to say it has no effect is simply wrong.

 

[Brakus]

Um, no. Wall colour can absolutely have an effect on your perception of viewed colour. Ideally both should be neutral. Neutral grey for the wall and a bias light at 6500K, but for most people it either won't be possible to do that or they won't care. But to say it has no effect is simply wrong.

Well I'm pretty hot on getting my displays calibrated, and yeah I know about 6500k light etc, and I have 2 TV's next to each other, both calibrated, and one is behind a white wall, and the other green/yellow wall. I can make those walls any colour I like with the LED's, and I can tell you now no matter what colour those walls are, it doesn't shift my perceived colour of what's on my screens, it makes zero difference. The proof is in the pudding. I've gone through it all, and maybe under certain conditions it's possible to change perception of colour, but I've not recognised the fact in my setup.

 

[mario_O]

I'm planning on getting a 4K TV for my PC, for gaming. Whats the consensus for the best option in the 1500-2000 euros range? Samsung 8500?

 

[Hasney]

Guys, I'm struggling insanely to choose a 65" TV. I'm currently eyeing up this,

http://m.richersounds.com/#!/product/sony-kdl65w855cbu

Seems a great set, but I cannot find its response time anywhere. Most response time related sites are US based and have their model numbers!

I can't find that one specifically, but it's a 2015 Sony set and all their input lag timings seem to have gone up from last year and behind the Samsungs. Looking at Sonys performance this year, probably looking at around 36ms based on http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

I'm looking to get the best gaming TV for ~$500-$550 or so.

Right now I'm sitting with a 32" 720p, so I'd prefer to get 40"+ in 1080p. I don't care at all for 3D or Smart TV features, so if getting rid of those drops the price a bit I would love it. I'd say anything above 40" and below 46" or so. 48" might be pushing it but anything above that and I'd have to rearrange a lot of stuff.

Any help?

Looking through the OP these stand out to me:
Sharp 43" LED 1080p Roku TV
Vizio 43" LED 1080p
Vizio 43" LED 4K Ultra HD - Might be a bit out of my price range but for 4K...it's got me thinking about it.
Sony 48" LED 1080p

Is Vizio a very reliable brand now? I remember them having issues when I bought my last tv 8 years ago.

 

[MrBenchmark]

I'm looking to get the best gaming TV for ~$500-$550 or so.

Right now I'm sitting with a 32" 720p, so I'd prefer to get 40"+ in 1080p. I don't care at all for 3D or Smart TV features, so if getting rid of those drops the price a bit I would love it. I'd say anything above 40" and below 46" or so. 48" might be pushing it but anything above that and I'd have to rearrange a lot of stuff.

Any help?

Looking through the OP these stand out to me:
Sharp 43" LED 1080p Roku TV
Vizio 43" LED 1080p
Vizio 43" LED 4K Ultra HD - Might be a bit out of my price range but for 4K...it's got me thinking about it.
Sony 48" LED 1080p

Is Vizio a very reliable brand now? I remember them having issues when I bought my last tv 8 years ago.

I have a vizio P55 4k and love it play my xbox one and ps4 on it 18ms lag using hdmi 5 port in game mode.

I have a few other vizios and a sharp aquos 52 1080p for my 360 and ps3 also a very good tv that one is a few years old both are full array led .

 

[SMOK3Y]

I have to say I think bias lighting is a god send, I put LED strip lights round my W902, and its probably the best thing I could have done. Without doubt for me it has definitely improved perceived black levels in a dark room, I cant bear not having them on 24/7 tbh.

Is that a single strip behind tv or multiple? Can you take a behind pic of leds if you can ☺

 

[Brandon F]

If there is another thread I should post in, please direct me.

Anyone have suggestions for a sound Bar to use with my ps4 and cable box? I'm willing to spend up to around like $500. What should I be looking for to get the best possible sound?

I'm going with a sound Bar because I won't have a permanent residence for awhile and a sound Bar is much more convenient than a full home theatre.

I also went with a sound bar setup earlier this year after a recent move into a temp residence. Eventually I will reinstall my HT setup, but for now I snagged a nice quality Sony soundbar that has been surprisingly impressive. It also communicates well with my TV and PS4(all Sony branded), so I literally hit the PS button on my controller and everything activates and turns on properly and vice versa.

The virtual surround effects won't come close to matching a proper 5/7.1 setup, but occasionally it can bounce some convincing effects to the rear and sides. It's an astronomical improvement over TV audio, but still a gulf exists from a real receiver and speaker setup.

 

[I Eat Thumbtacks]

I'm looking to get the best gaming TV for ~$500-$550 or so.

Right now I'm sitting with a 32" 720p, so I'd prefer to get 40"+ in 1080p. I don't care at all for 3D or Smart TV features, so if getting rid of those drops the price a bit I would love it. I'd say anything above 40" and below 46" or so. 48" might be pushing it but anything above that and I'd have to rearrange a lot of stuff.

Any help?

Looking through the OP these stand out to me:
Sharp 43" LED 1080p Roku TV
Vizio 43" LED 1080p
Vizio 43" LED 4K Ultra HD - Might be a bit out of my price range but for 4K...it's got me thinking about it.
Sony 48" LED 1080p

Is Vizio a very reliable brand now? I remember them having issues when I bought my last tv 8 years ago.

I have the 43" 4K Vizio and I like it a lot. It has great black levels/uniformity and 18.5 ms input lag on HDMI 5 w/ low latency turned on.

 

[DangerMouse]

I have a Sony W800C (2015 model) and can't find the PS Now app. Where can I find it?

It was recently added on my X850C (one of the 2015 4K models), along with Amazon finally updated for 4K streaming, so check that you've downloaded the latest firmware update.

Looking on the Sony site, according to the patch notes for that W800C, the newest firmware that came out added PS Now for you too, so I'd say double check if you've fully updated.

 

[M_A_C]

what do you guys think of this deal:

http://slickdeals.net/f/8020069-70-...-smart-led-hdtv-2014-model-2100-free-shipping

 

[Brakus]

Is that a single strip behind tv or multiple? Can you take a behind pic of leds if you can ☺

No worries put together a short clip, it's a reel of LED lighting with a 3M adhesive backing. You can see at the bottom left where the cabling starts and ends. You just have to make sure you put the LED's a little further back on the TV, and not the edge, so you can't see them.

http://youtu.be/APUELYlp-0c

 

[Ricitor]

Hey GAF, I'm about to upgrade my TV and I need some advice. I've limited my options to 2 LED TVs from local retailer for great prices, but I'm having trouble deciding which would better suit my needs and there is a specific issue I am having before making my decision, It is with regards to panel frequency and Response time.
The first has frequency of 50Hz with a 6ms response time. 42" Smart TV with 3D [$310]
The second is at 50Hz/60Hz with a 9ms response time. 49" [$387]
Both Sinotec.

I am quite ignorant on the subject and am trying to find the best one for playing games so any advice would be appreciated.

 

[Celcius]

I have a vizio P55 4k and love it play my xbox one and ps4 on it 18ms lag using hdmi 5 port in game mode.

I have a few other vizios and a sharp aquos 52 1080p for my 360 and ps3 also a very good tv that one is a few years old both are full array led .

I have the 43" 4K Vizio and I like it a lot. It has great black levels/uniformity and 18.5 ms input lag on HDMI 5 w/ low latency turned on.

Just asking out of curiousity here, but why does only one of the hdmi ports give low latency? Is there a setting to make them all like that?

 

[mitchman]

The first has frequency of 50Hz with a 6ms response time. 42" Smart TV with 3D [$310]
The second is at 50Hz/60Hz with a 9ms response time. 49" [$387]
Both Sinotec.

That's not input lag, so don't confuse those numbers with lag. I wouldn't bet on "Sinotec" providing low input lag TVs. Never heard of them as a matter of fact.

 

[MrBenchmark]

Just asking out of curiousity here, but why does only one of the hdmi ports give low latency? Is there a setting to make them all like that?

http://www.vizio.com/p552uib2.html

Inputs
HDMI Ports5 (2 side / 3 down)
· HDMI Port 1 SpecUHD Video @30Hz, HDCP 2.2 support
· HDMI Port 2 SpecUHD Video @30Hz, HDCP 2.2 support
· HDMI Port 3 SpecUHD Video @30Hz
· HDMI Port 4 SpecUHD Video @30Hz
· HDMI Port 5 SpecUHD Video @60Hz, HDCP 2.2 support

Port 5 is hdmi 2.0 rest are 1.4 i only use port 5 everything runs thru my AVR

 

[SMOK3Y]

No worries put together a short clip, it's a reel of LED lighting with a 3M adhesive backing. You can see at the bottom left where the cabling starts and ends. You just have to make sure you put the LED's a little further back on the TV, and not the edge, so you can't see them.

http://youtu.be/APUELYlp-0c

Lol cool as mate wasn't expecting so many 😊 but definitely awsome & many thanks for taking the time to make a video Brakus ☺ thankyou

 

[Brakus]

Lol cool as mate wasn't expecting so many 😊 but definitely awsome & many thanks for taking the time to make a video Brakus ☺ thankyou

Ha no problem, I was stuck in yesterday with a heavy cold, so I had the time! Lol

 

[mitchman]

Port 5 is hdmi 2.0 rest are 1.4 i only use port 5 everything runs thru my AVR

You can't set your AVR to pass through all inputs unmodified ( = no added input lag) ?

 

[Retromelon]

I went to a best buy recently and the 55s all looked wide as fuck and i didnt appreciate the aesthetics. 60 looks more proportional. There aren't any 60 inch tvs with hdmi 2.0 for a thousand or under are there

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The 940c is apparently (from everything I've read) also not capable of doing 4k@60hz 4:4:4.

This is correct. It's really only important if you plan to use Excel or something on your 70" 4K HDTV. I play PC games on my Sony 65X900A which only support 4K/60 with 4:2:0 and it's unnoticeable when gaming or even casually web browsing unless you specifically look for chroma subsampling errors in black text on white backgrounds and vice versa.

I wouldn't. You're paying $8000 for a 65" TV with near 100% fault rate (black flames on side of TV), mediocre video processing, and poor motion handling.

75X940C has plasma level blacks, best color, motion handling and video processing on market and is 10" more and is guarantee HDR compatible.

Until someone other than LG does OLED, I no longer see it as a viable option.

There is no such thing as an LCD with plasma-level blacks. I've owned good plasmas and great LCDs. No such thing exists.

LCDs can have amazingly deep blacks compared to even 5 years ago but let's not pretend LCD is something it's not.

That being said, I'm really happy with my Sony 65X900A and I don't miss the gaming burn-in on the Panasonic 65VT60 it replaced at all.

 

[MrBenchmark]

You can't set your AVR to pass through all inputs unmodified ( = no added input lag) ?

My receiver has a pure pass thru mode each hdmi port can be set individual and i have them all passing pure signal.

 

[MrJames]

There is no such thing as an LCD with plasma-level blacks. I've owned good plasmas and great LCDs. No such thing exists.

LCDs can have amazingly deep blacks compared to even 5 years ago but let's not pretend LCD is something it's not.

That being said, I'm really happy with my Sony 65X900A and I don't miss the gaming burn-in on the Panasonic 65VT60 it replaced at all.

A FALD LCD will give you plasma-level blacks but will also give some blooming until they dramatically increase the number of zones to minimize the issue.

 

[Brakus]

A FALD LCD will give you plasma-level blacks but will also give some blooming until they dramatically increase the number of zones to minimize the issue.

Indeed, I guess it must be a costly endeavour. But if enough zones were added it could be pretty amazing! But even on the uber expensive sets it just doesn't happen, like Panasonic are adding so called FALD to their cheaper sets, and it's almost pointless, when something like my 902a where Sony does a much better job with a brilliantly implemented pseudo dimming edge lighting.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Any TVs around that accept higher then 60hz input? I'm talking to use with a PC. It would be super hard replace my Panasonic Plasma (dat picture quality) but a real 120 refresh rate might get me to do it. Plus the 60inch I have is starting to look small to me.

 

[Reszo]

Guys help which one do you think is better? I'm leaning towards the sony but I'm not sure. All LED

Sony KDL48W600B 48"

Sharp LC-48LE653U 48"

Vizio E50-C1 50"

 

[HooYaH]

Any TVs around that accept higher then 60hz input? I'm talking to use with a PC. It would be super hard replace my Panasonic Plasma (dat picture quality) but a real 120 refresh rate might get me to do it. Plus the 60inch I have is starting to look small to me.

Most of the higher end tv has native 120 depending on the hdmi port.

 

[MGrant]

Guys help which one do you think is better? I'm leaning towards the sony but I'm not sure. All LED

Sony KDL48W600B 48"

Sharp LC-48LE653U 48"

Vizio E50-C1 50"

The Sony looks to be the best one. It'll have better greys because it's edge-lit, which is normally not preferable for image quality, but in this price range you're better off, because the direct/full array sets you linked don't have enough dimming zones to take advantage of the direct lighting. The build quality looks a bit nicer on the Sony, as well.

 

[FrankNitty]

Indeed, I guess it must be a costly endeavour. But if enough zones were added it could be pretty amazing! But even on the uber expensive sets it just doesn't happen, like Panasonic are adding so called FALD to their cheaper sets, and it's almost pointless, when something like my 902a where Sony does a much better job with a brilliantly implemented pseudo dimming edge lighting.

What's a 902a? I don't recall a 902a, only an 802a.

Sony does do a good job but they produce much more edge bleeding from my experince with the X900B, and I have seen it on the newer sets when I went to check them out.

 

[MrJames]

Indeed, I guess it must be a costly endeavour. But if enough zones were added it could be pretty amazing! But even on the uber expensive sets it just doesn't happen, like Panasonic are adding so called FALD to their cheaper sets, and it's almost pointless, when something like my 902a where Sony does a much better job with a brilliantly implemented pseudo dimming edge lighting.

Yeah, the 65" CX850 is only 30 zones. That's like a Vizo M with better processing. Might as well wait and get the Vizio R for $500 more with 384 zones.

What's a 902a? I don't recall a 902a, only an 802a.

Sony does do a good job but they produce much more edge bleeding from my experince with the X900B, and I have seen it on the newer sets when I went to check them out.

Might be referring to the 2014 Panasonic flagship AX900 (AX902 in the UK) which is heavily rumored to be replaced by the CX900 at IFA next month. And hopefully their OLED will be announced.

 

[FrankNitty]

Yeah, the 65" CX850 is only 30 zones. That's like a Vizo M with better processing. Might as well wait and get the Vizio R for $500 more with 384 zones.



Might be referring to the 2014 Panasonic flagship AX900 (AX902 in the UK) which is heavily rumored to be replaced by the CX900 at IFA next month. And hopefully their OLED will be announced.

Ahhh ok that makes sense. I thought that was in reference to a Sony product when I read it initially. I really hope they announce the CZ.

 

[Brakus]

What's a 902a? I don't recall a 902a, only an 802a.

Sony does do a good job but they produce much more edge bleeding from my experince with the X900B, and I have seen it on the newer sets when I went to check them out.

Lol sorry I got my models mashed up, I meant the 905a which is the 900A in the US, I also had a 802a hense the mix up! I'm not saying it's perfect by any means, but it's bloody good considering it's not a FALD set. It also has one of the best contrast ratios going for an LCD 6000:1 I think.

Yeah, the 65" CX850 is only 30 zones. That's like a Vizo M with better processing. Might as well wait and get the Vizio R for $500 more with 384 zones.

The new curved TX65CR852B is even worse at 16 zones! Which is pretty bad especially for the size, and it's very expensive!

 

[FrankNitty]

Lol sorry I got my models mashed up, I meant the 905a which is the 900A in the US, I also had a 802a hense the mix up! I'm not saying it's perfect by any means, but it's bloody good considering it's not a FALD set. It also has one of the best contrast ratios going for an LCD 6000:1 I think.

Agreed, I was really impressed with the black level, and specifically uniformity of my X900B. I would have kept it if it wasn't for 2 things, the light bleed and the fluctuation of the backlight on movies like gravity. I could see it. My wife couldn't at first until I pointed it out then she couldn't un see it.

 

[Brakus]

Agreed, I was really impressed with the black level, and specifically uniformity of my X900B. I would have kept it if it wasn't for 2 things, the light bleed and the fluctuation of the backlight on movies like gravity. I could see it. My wife couldn't at first until I pointed it out then she couldn't un see it.

I know what you mean, only certain content triggers it, I get it occasionally on subtitled films against the black bars, but fortunately it's not frequent.

 

[Dead]

The Sony 75X940C got updated it is indeed capable of 4K 60p 4:4:4 unlike what some people have been saying lately.

 

[Brakus]

The Sony 75X940C got updated it is indeed capable of 4K 60p 4:4:4 unlike what some people have been saying lately.

Nice! I wonder if the X93 will.....

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Agreed, I was really impressed with the black level, and specifically uniformity of my X900B. I would have kept it if it wasn't for 2 things, the light bleed and the fluctuation of the backlight on movies like gravity. I could see it. My wife couldn't at first until I pointed it out then she couldn't un see it.

Backlight can be forced to one level on Sony TVs by changing certain settings.

 

[Don Lapre]

Indeed, I guess it must be a costly endeavour. But if enough zones were added it could be pretty amazing! But even on the uber expensive sets it just doesn't happen, like Panasonic are adding so called FALD to their cheaper sets, and it's almost pointless, when something like my 902a where Sony does a much better job with a brilliantly implemented pseudo dimming edge lighting.

Even if you had 1:1 zone to pixel ratio it wouldn't viewing angles. One benefit of my plasma is no shift at angles.

 

[SMOK3Y]

Backlight can be forced to one level on Sony TVs by changing certain settings.

How do you mean?

 

[Brakus]

Even if you had 1:1 zone to pixel ratio it wouldn't viewing angles. One benefit of my plasma is no shift at angles.

Yeah sure, that'll always be a downside until/if they figure something out.

 

[Jigolo]

http://www.oled-info.com/lg-reduces-price-4k-and-fhd-oled-tvs-65-4k-now-5999

 

[Genio88]

Just upgraded my 32 inch TV with a LG 42 inch 42LF561V to play MGSV, is it good for playing videogames? here the specs

 

[FrankNitty]

Backlight can be forced to one level on Sony TVs by changing certain settings.

Right but we aren't talking about the backlight alone. We are talking about the pseudo local dimming which causes blacks to fluctuate on low APL scenes, where you have a lot of back and some highlights like gravity being all space an some stars. You can turn it off and the intensity of it to various degrees but the effect is still there unless you have it off completely

 

[Moshio]

I recently got the Samsung JU7100. I'm looking to get a 5.1 soundbar. Would I be able to get 5.1 audio if I connected one end of an optical audio cable to the One Connect Mini box and the other end to the soundbar? I'm not sure how to tell if this TV is able to do 5.1 through the optical audio port.

 

[HooYaH]

I recently got the Samsung JU7100. I'm looking to get a 5.1 soundbar. Would I be able to get 5.1 audio if I connected one end of an optical audio cable to the One Connect Mini box and the other end to the soundbar? I'm not sure how to tell if this TV is able to do 5.1 through the optical audio port.

If you get a sound bar, you don't need to plug in an optical cable. It just runs though the hdmi ARC.

 

[Moshio]

If you get a sound bar, you don't need to plug in an optical cable. It just runs though the hdmi ARC.

Thanks for the info. I saw that some TV's are only able to send 2 audio channels if the sound bar is connected directly to the TV, and I can't seem to find if my TV is the same way. I looked in the manual and online and couldn't seem to find out if that was the case or not.

 

[Drewfonse]

Just got a 55" Samsung js8500. Will hook it up later in the week. Excited!